Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

The Eight Steps Of A Democracy...

Very good post. It would be one thing if these words were written today, but more amazing is that you are summing up what Tytler predicted over 200 years ago about democracy. American history has been the experiment confirming the prediction. What we have here now is a validated theory.

Knowing the pitfalls of democracy, it sounds like it may be time to restart a country like America was with controls built into the constitution against welfare, overspending, over taxing and big government.

As an atheist however, these steps all make sense without having to put so much importance on god. i.e: freedom, self reliance, small government works... that's why we should get back to that.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

As an atheist however, these steps all make sense without having to put so much importance on god. i.e: freedom, self reliance, small government works... that's why we should get back to that.

Yeah, I found the god stuff pretty irrevelant although I do understand where he was coming from.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Very good post. It would be one thing if these words were written today, but more amazing is that you are summing up what Tytler predicted over 200 years ago about democracy. American history has been the experiment confirming the prediction. What we have here now is a validated theory.

Knowing the pitfalls of democracy, it sounds like it may be time to restart a country like America was with controls built into the constitution against welfare, overspending, over taxing and big government.

As an atheist however, these steps all make sense without having to put so much importance on god. i.e: freedom, self reliance, small government works... that's why we should get back to that.

So Tracy, as an intelligent person, how do you feel about the "tea party" rally in front of the capital?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

So Tracy, as an intelligent person, how do you feel about the "tea party" rally in front of the capital?

The original Tea Party was to protest taxation without representation. There is so much political activity from the right and even from independents and some democrat voters (who didn't really know or care what "Hope and Change" meant) because like King George, this government is completely out of touch with American citizens.

There was the $1 trillion stimulus that wasn't even written, much less even read by our representatives. It was written by the Apollo Alliance.

Did you vote for the Apollo Alliance last November? I sure didn't, and I don't know of anyone who has. There will be an unprecedented tax from this bill. That would be a clear case of taxation without representation.

Also, there's the healthcare crap they want to pass. Congress was all set to pass this bill last summer. A bill that would be irreversible, that would fundamentally change many aspects of our lives, and most of them hadn't even read it! Thankfully many people in town hall meetings started demanding answers to their questions and got the politicians to start listening. That's what representatives should do is listen. Not come to us and tell us what we need. The fact is, the vast majority of Americans don't want nationalized health care, so Obama and the assholes in congress should do their job and drop it.

I'm hoping we can keep them from passing the bill until 2010 when the American citizens enact a health care program on congress and clean it out with an enema.

So, the main message of the Tea Party is that the government is out of control, and to remind them that America has government for the people, by the people. And I completely support their cause.

[randolph]

Our Mission

"The Apollo Alliance is a coalition of labor, business, environmental, and community leaders working to catalyze a clean energy revolution that will put millions of Americans to work in a new generation of high-quality, green-collar jobs. Inspired by the Apollo space program, we promote investments in energy efficiency, clean power, mass transit, next-generation vehicles, and emerging technology, as well as in education and training. Working together, we will reduce carbon emissions and oil imports, spur domestic job growth, and position America to thrive in the 21st century economy."
What's wrong with that?

The stimulus package was approved by Congress regardless of who "wrote" it. Therefore "we" approved it.
Your comments on the "Tea Party" are reasonable. We are all concerned with the massive spending.
What appalls me are the idiotic signs waved around by the mob. Signs calling Obama Hitler and Pelosi a Nazi are absurd. Further absurdity is calling him a socialist! Obama's stimulus package is designed to save capitalism, pure and simple. Capitalists are in full control of the stimulus funds. It seems to be working and the government is starting to get some of it back.

[ila]

Originally Posted by randolph

Our Mission

"The Apollo Alliance is a coalition of labor, business, environmental, and community leaders working to catalyze a clean energy revolution that will put millions of Americans to work in a new generation of high-quality, green-collar jobs. Inspired by the Apollo space program, we promote investments in energy efficiency, clean power, mass transit, next-generation vehicles, and emerging technology, as well as in education and training. Working together, we will reduce carbon emissions and oil imports, spur domestic job growth, and position America to thrive in the 21st century economy."

Is the Apollo Alliance trying to say that the Apollo space program "promoted investments in energy efficiency, clean power, mass transit, next-generation vehicles, and emerging technology, as well as in education and training." That's really amazing that a space program that was intended to put a man on the moon instead did all these other things.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Our Mission

"The Apollo Alliance is a coalition of labor, business, environmental, and community leaders working to catalyze a clean energy revolution that will put millions of Americans to work in a new generation of high-quality, green-collar jobs. Inspired by the Apollo space program, we promote investments in energy efficiency, clean power, mass transit, next-generation vehicles, and emerging technology, as well as in education and training. Working together, we will reduce carbon emissions and oil imports, spur domestic job growth, and position America to thrive in the 21st century economy."
What's wrong with that?

Well, as usual, when you look into these groups and people surrounding Obama, you come up with criminals (like what ACORN is riddled with), communists and progressives.

Jeff Jones - Co-creator of the Weather Underground with Bill Ayers. He was arrested in 1981 for his terrorist acts. Where do you go from there? Adviser to environmental groups, to labor organizations and to the New York state government where he sits on a commission for Governor Paterson of course.

He was also adviser to the Workforce Development Institute in New York, which is advising state and local governments and universities on how to write their grants to get stimulus funds from the stimulus bill that he and his friends at Apollo wrote. What does he do now? He's the head of the Apollo Alliance in NY, and he's also an adviser for the national Apollo Alliance as well.

There are several others, but it's a long boring list of commies and progressivists.

Originally Posted by randolph

The stimulus package was approved by Congress regardless of who "wrote" it. Therefore "we" approved it.

Well that's assuming the people we put in office do their jobs and read it. But they didn't. They weren't given time to, and many of them readily admitted they weren't going to read it because it was too long and they trusted Pelosi and BO to get it right.

Originally Posted by randolph

Your comments on the "Tea Party" are reasonable. We are all concerned with the massive spending.
What appalls me are the idiotic signs waved around by the mob. Signs calling Obama Hitler and Pelosi a Nazi are absurd.

Yeah, and stuff like this too:

Originally Posted by randolph

One example; Rush has demonized "liberals" as if they were a dire threat to the country.
Hitler demonized "Jews" as if they were a dire threat to the country.

Originally Posted by randolph

Further absurdity is calling him a socialist! Obama's stimulus package is designed to save capitalism, pure and simple.

He surrounds himself with not only socialists, but communists. He's had communist mentors when growing up. He lived in communist Indonesia. He forms a relationship with the radical-communist Bill Ayers. Many of his advisors are communists. He has or plans to put car companies, banks and even the health care system under government control. He's working out ways to take over the airwaves with something called "Localism", and there's a bill in the senate that would give BO the power to shut down the internet if he ever feels the itch to do so. Are you saying it's absurd to call him socialist because he's actually a communist?

Originally Posted by randolph

Capitalists are in full control of the stimulus funds. It seems to be working and the government is starting to get some of it back.

Capitalists like Jeff Jones and ACORN? LOL You made a funny. I noted a while back that the economy seemed to be recovering before the stimulus money had begun being spent - making the $trillion an unnecessary burden on tax payers while funding a bunch of radical left-wing types like ACORN.

[randolph]

"Capitalists like Jeff Jones and ACORN? LOL You made a funny. I noted a while back that the economy seemed to be recovering before the stimulus money had begun being spent - making the $trillion an unnecessary burden on tax payers while funding a bunch of radical left-wing types like ACORN."

OK, Acorn may be a piece of shit, but its not where the big money is going. It is going to bail the big financial institutions that run this capitalist country. That is not socialism by any stretch of the imagination. Also a lot of the money is in the form of an investment which hopefully will become a good capitalist investment. The highly discounted mortgage bonds are likely to recover value in the future.
You seem to be determined to label Obama a communist or at least a socialist based on some tenuous associations in the past. Many young people go through a "radical" period. What counts is what he is doing now and there is no question in my mind he is supporting capitalism and would like to see a humane health care system available to all citizens.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

What counts is what he is doing now and there is no question in my mind he is supporting capitalism and would like to see a humane health care system available to all citizens.

The definition of capitalism:

Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-, British also kə-ˈpi-tə-\
Function: noun
Date: 1877
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.


I fail to see how giving the gov't control over a private enterprise is in any way capitalistic. It is more like this:

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Pay close attention to the first part of the definition...

“It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it.”-Thomas Sowell