Barack Obama

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

First of all it is a serious felony, at this site, to alter someone else's post.
Besides, look at what he is doing;
Selling out to the drug companies.
Selling out health care.
Expanding war in Afghanistan.
Playing footsie with the bankers.
He is looking more like a fucking conservative every day.

You obviously do not know what conservatism is.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

You obviously do not know what conservatism is.

Yes, I think I do know what "real" conservatism is, its Eisenhower conservatism. Its not the Limbaugh, Bush, Reagan, asshole conservatism. I usually vote Democratic because I can't stand whats happened to the Republican party. It's now dominated by mean spirited bigoted self centered lying assholes. The Limbaugh mentality is destroying this country with its distortions and polarization of the public. He encourages the morons in this country to be even more stupid. Eisenhower must be squirming in his grave if he is seeing what is going on. I cry for this country. It's no longer America the beautiful.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

I can't stand whats happened to the Republican party. It's now dominated by mean spirited bigoted self centered lying assholes.

Sorry to break it to you bro, but both parties are like that.

Originally Posted by randolph

I cry for this country. It's no longer America the beautiful.

I agree. This country is going down the crapper. You can erode only so much of the foundation of an instution before the whole thing comes crashing down.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

I agree. This country is going down the crapper. You can erode only so much of the foundation of an instution before the whole thing comes crashing down.

Postman, I agree things are bad now. But then when things seem bad I try and get some perspective and remember how bad things were during the 60s. Civil rights movements, Kent State, the Cuban Missile crisis when the world was just minutes away from an all out nuclear war, JFK shot, MLK shot, Veitnam, etc.

Before that there was the Great Depression, and before that was the Civil War when we were literally killing each other. Before that, there was slavery, and taking N. America from the Indians.

So what is so bad about these times Postman that we say NOW our foundation is eroding? Randolph, in light of all these events throughout the history of the US, do you think it ever was America the Beautiful?

I'm trying to quantify what is it that made America great, and ask is that really being threatened now?

[randolph]

Tracy, you ask when America was beautiful?
Well lets see;
In the 1930s the unions established the rights of workers to a living wage.
In the 1940s we beat the shit out of the Japs and Nazis.
In the 1950s a working guy could buy a nice house and a new car on a single modest wage and his wife could stay home and raise the kids.
In the 1960s we learned that social action could stop an evil war.
In the 1970s we learned we could get along on less oil.
In the 1980s we had to pay off the incompetence of the Reagan administration (savings and loan debacle, etc).
In the 1990s the President had blowjobs in the oval office and the tech bubble burst.
In the 2000s the neocons showed what evil is all about. The whole economy collapsed as greed and unethical practices ruled.
Today? Well fuck, I am getting old and I need a hard tranny.

[TracyCoxx]

We all know where the party lines are, but for the moment I would like to put politics aside. I think we can all agree that America is deeply divided now (of course, not as divided as it was during the Civil War), and don't count that among America's great attributes. There was a time when the two sides weren't so far apart right? So think back over the history of America what made America great? It doesn't sound like you think the 80s 90s or 00s display America's beauty, so let's scratch those off your list. In fact, let's all scratch off everything from the 70s on, since that's likely where we are going to be biased and divided again.

I would add to the list:
* America's natural resources
* The way America was created (at least most of how it was created)
* The fact that America was built through exploration and invention and at least until recently in our history has kept its drive for exploration and invention
* The Constitution and the wisdom of the founding fathers

This is one I'd like to add to the list:
* That anyone with enough drive can achieve their dreams

This has always been the American dream, so I would LIKE to put it on the list. The potential has been there for much of the population, but not always true for all of America's law-abiding citizens. Past the point of law-abiding citizens I draw a definite line.

p.s. and yes, hard tranny's are among America's Beauties!

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

This is one I'd like to add to the list:
* That anyone with enough drive can achieve their dreams

That's what I'm talking about. The "elected officials" and bureaucrats have a cynical view of the public being along the lines of "You are too much of an idiot to make basic decisions so we will make them for you." This is why things like Medicare/Universal Healthcare, Social Security, govt' takeover of the private sector is such a stupid idea. The spirit of competition and invention are squashed and replaced with the "lowest bidder" mentality.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

p.s. and yes, hard tranny's are among America's Beauties!

Unfortunately, they are being outsourced to Brazil and Thailand. Do your part to help out! Ride American!(tranny's that is!)

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

So what is so bad about these times Postman that we say NOW our foundation is eroding?

Our foundations have been eroding at an alarming rate since the beginning of the 1900's; I'm just saying that people are starting to take notice now and yet most simply don't give a fuck. Most of the American public are complacent, content or apathetic and even though they see the shit going on, they are unwilling to do anything to change it. People are too dependent on other people today and rather than harnessing our inherent spirit of self reliance and independence, most would rather follow someone else and have another person do what needs to be done if it means making their lives simpler.

This will explain what I am talking about(sort of)

The Eight Steps Of A Democracy

From Bondage to Spiritual Faith

Do we forget how young of a nation we are? Europe had shaped and reshaped itself so many times before we were even put on a map.

England ruled the young America, not with whips and chains, but with taxes. The people weren't allowed to build a strong nation because all the money they made was sent back to England. In the beginning, they were cool with that.

They were running from Europe so they would have the right to serve the God of their choosing and the manner in which they would serve that God. To them, at least in the beginning, the sacrifice was worth it. But that didn't last long because Spiritual Faith is life altering.

From Spiritual Faith to Great Courage

Now, you have spiritual people who fully believe God has their best interest at heart and that translates into the building of courage.

Not in just this case, but in every case. Once you let God into your life, you begin to feel like you can move mountains. When you trust and have faith, fear seems to melt away.

From Courage to Liberty

This may seem funny but the courage you get from God makes you want to fight. O.K. maybe I didn't say that right. The courage you get from God makes it impossible for you to allow someone to block your blessings. There, that's better.

Our founding fathers knew we could not prosper with England at the head of our lives. We had to be a nation that put God first, then country, then family.

So NO! We will not bow to your Queen, we will not allow you to rob our country of it's chance to be great, and no we will not allow you to dictate the lives of our children and grandchildren. We have God on our side and will fight for what we feel is right.

And that's what we did. We fought and won our independence, our freedom, and our Liberty.

From Liberty to Abundance

And once you put your faith in God and walk through the fire without fear, you receive your blessing. And can't we all agree, America has been blessed. We sprouted from a young nation into a world leader in record time.

Industry flourished, businesses developed, and the Economy became the envy and standard of the world. We fought amongst ourselves, defended our friends and allies, and built the strongest military force on the planet. We adjust and change our laws, while still adhering to the basic principles of our Constitution.

But all this comes with a price.

From Abundance to Complacency

Complacency- self-satisfaction, especially when accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers and deficiencies

I think this came around the time of the Great Depression. The New Deal. The belief started to creep in that we had the money to do anything. People were hurting and wanted immediate help, so they turned to the government and the government answered.

We're temporarily going to give out Social Security benefits, just to get people by until things get better. We're going to set up Medicaid and Medicare to help the underprivileged and elderly, who just can't afford healthcare. These are just temporary steps to get us through these hard times.

When did they end Social Security? They didn't. No politician is going to advocate taking services from the poor and the old. Plus, now government has a huge money supply from all the taxes they collect for Social Security. Great way to get money from you to borrow against for other Government projects.

As the government continued to grow, so did it's hold on the mind of the American people.

From Complacency to Apathy

Apathy- lack of interest or concern; indifference

Now, we believe we can not fail. We pushed the Nazi's back and crushed Russia, what could go wrong? The age of drugs spread through America and people stopped caring. It was better to protest than to put yourself into a position to run for office. It was better to make love than resist the up and coming war in our own backyard, the ever growing size of government.

Then, one morning we awoke and realized Government played a role in every aspect of our life. We pay taxes from the moment we get up in the morning to the moment we go to sleep at night. They can tell your teenage daughter it's O.K. to get an abortion without telling a parent. They can even take away your land and cite "eminent domain".

And we threw our hands up and said "F it". It's nothing we can do, the government runs everything. And we stopped listening, we stopped paying attention, and we stopped holding politicians accountable for their actions. We allowed ourselves to be scared of the Government instead of making the Government scared of us.

This is were it gets really scary.

From Apathy to Dependence

This is were we are right now. We were so indifferent and complacent, the first person to come along and promise us the pot at the end of the rainbow, we jumped. This once God loving nation is starting to worship the Government instead.

The same God that gave our forefather's the strength and courage to fight is being contested at every turn. God teaches us to rely on him and then on ourselves and the Government doesn't like that. The now enormous Government, needs to keep feeding itself and it needs your complacency to do it.

They need you to not care they are taking over private industry. They need you to look away while the let the printing press run. They need you to worry about Nancy Pelosi, while the Federal Reserve consolidates power. And there's only one way that could happen, if you are dependent upon them.

If you can't keep your house without the Government, then you don't care how they do it. If you can't eat without the Government, you don't care where your food comes from. If you can't see a doctor without the Government, you don't care how much it will cost future generations.

We have become the nation of ME, Myself, and I and then anyone else that's poor. They got us right were they want us, completely dependent on the Government to make the economy work, to solve our individual financial woes, and to just give us that tingly feeling.

Guess what the last step is?

From Dependence to back into Bondage

This is what I don't understand about America today. There was a time in our history where people were given jobs, houses, food, and healthcare. It was called SLAVERY!

Master controlled everything about the lives of their slaves. They picked the winners and losers, the house nigga and the field nigga. They assualted those that would protest against their actions. They told their slaves when they could and couldn't procreate. They picked which part of the pig the slaves got to eat.

Now, the government is starting to enlist the same tactics. They pick which people can get their homes refinanced or modified. They pick which companies are to big to fail and which one's aren't worth saving. They release terror list for Americans, AMERICANS, that would question the direction of their country. And with Obama's full support of Planned Parenthood and his plans for national healthcare, population control won't be far behind.

And we're letting it happen. We are putting our heads in the sand and all our faith in a Man. A man that came from Chicago politics. A man that has an entire cabinet full of tax cheats and people who at one time or another have been under investigation. A man that down plays Christianity abroad and refuses to pray in front of a nation audience.

We've passed the 200 year mark but we're still progressing straight back to Bondage. The Government never gives up power. All the power the current Government is stacking will now be the norm, how can it get any bigger? It will and they will want more money to make it happen.

But before they come after more money, they will come for our guns. Mark my words. The American people are different from those in the past. We will always believe in our right to protect ourselves.

When the social spending fails and the Government is knocked down a peg, the people at the top will tell us it's in our best interest to let them handle it. The question will be, will we go back to God and develop the Great Courage to bring our country back from the brink or will hold out our arms and allow the government to attach the chains?


We are the sinking ship and yet while the lifeboats are waiting to be used, we would rather go down listening to the violin and its serenade of false security.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

The Eight Steps Of A Democracy...

Very good post. It would be one thing if these words were written today, but more amazing is that you are summing up what Tytler predicted over 200 years ago about democracy. American history has been the experiment confirming the prediction. What we have here now is a validated theory.

Knowing the pitfalls of democracy, it sounds like it may be time to restart a country like America was with controls built into the constitution against welfare, overspending, over taxing and big government.

As an atheist however, these steps all make sense without having to put so much importance on god. i.e: freedom, self reliance, small government works... that's why we should get back to that.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

As an atheist however, these steps all make sense without having to put so much importance on god. i.e: freedom, self reliance, small government works... that's why we should get back to that.

Yeah, I found the god stuff pretty irrevelant although I do understand where he was coming from.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Very good post. It would be one thing if these words were written today, but more amazing is that you are summing up what Tytler predicted over 200 years ago about democracy. American history has been the experiment confirming the prediction. What we have here now is a validated theory.

Knowing the pitfalls of democracy, it sounds like it may be time to restart a country like America was with controls built into the constitution against welfare, overspending, over taxing and big government.

As an atheist however, these steps all make sense without having to put so much importance on god. i.e: freedom, self reliance, small government works... that's why we should get back to that.

So Tracy, as an intelligent person, how do you feel about the "tea party" rally in front of the capital?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Postman, I agree things are bad now. But then when things seem bad I try and get some perspective and remember how bad things were during the 60s. Civil rights movements, Kent State, the Cuban Missile crisis when the world was just minutes away from an all out nuclear war, JFK shot, MLK shot, Veitnam, etc.

Before that there was the Great Depression, and before that was the Civil War when we were literally killing each other. Before that, there was slavery, and taking N. America from the Indians.

I'm trying to quantify what is it that made America great, and ask is that really being threatened now?

I agree with the above, but lest we forget, there were people there who were willing to fight for their causes. We have been so conditioned to having tha' Gubmint in our everyday lives and to believe that fighting back is wrong, that nobody is going to lift a damn finger when shit gets tough.

The most important thing; our spirit of independence and self-reliance is what is being threatened now. That is what made America so beautiful.