Barack Obama

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by charlietwobeans

You are like a little slice of heaven in an otherwise hellish world.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Awwww shucks

No, no...he's right. You SHOULD take a bow, Tracy, especially given how long this Obama thread has carried on and for all that you've contributed to it. You always write incredibly intelligent posts and back them up with solid information or verifiable statistics or give web links so people can learn more for themselves, so long as they get off their butt and simply click on a computer mouse. So he's right, you ARE a slice of heaven around here.

On the other hand, don't get TOO turned on () or you'll have everyone fighting over you instead of politics! Let's focus on the problem at hand, people! We have a nation to save! First we take care of that and THEN we can throw Tracy on the bed and take turns ravishing her!

[transjen]

So the truth is starting to come out, As Tom Ridge is spilling the beans that Rumsfeld and Ashcroft wanted the terror alter levels raised just before the election in 04 not because of any threats or hard facts but wanted it raised to scare the American public in to voteing for our savior W, So all the treats on the banks in 04 was a big load of Bush lies , Looks like the Bush adminastration rats are starting to come clean
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

So the truth is starting to come out, As Tom Ridge is spilling the beans that Rumsfeld and Ashcroft wanted the terror alter levels raised just before the election in 04 not because of any threats or hard facts but wanted it raised to scare the American public in to voteing for our savior W, So all the treats on the banks in 04 was a big load of Bush lies , Looks like the Bush adminastration rats are starting to come clean
Jerseygirl Jen

Nevermind the fact that Obama... I mean Osama aired a video right before the 2004 election spewing his crap and making threats.

[transjen]

And how long did the white house sit on that tape? And it still doesn't give W the excuuss to use fear to stay in power
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

And how long did the white house sit on that tape? And it still doesn't give W the excuuss to use fear to stay in power
Jerseygirl Jen

You do know that the tape is specifically about the 2004 election right? Bush was not sitting on it. Unless you have some evidence, save your conspiracy theories.

[transjen]

That doesn't prove anything they could have had the tape since any time in 04, And all the tape does was nothing but to make sure Osama won his war agianst the USA by flush us in to the shitter by 4 more years of W. 9/11 was W ,s get out of jail free card he owes he's second term to fear and the fact no one rembered that he was in charge on 9/11 and blame should fall on his shoulders he was warned and he did nothing
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

That doesn't prove anything they could have had the tape since any time in 04, And all the tape does was nothing but to make sure Osama won his war agianst the USA by flush us in to the shitter by 4 more years of W. 9/11 was W ,s get out of jail free card he owes he's second term to fear and the fact no one rembered that he was in charge on 9/11 and blame should fall on his shoulders he was warned and he did nothing
Jerseygirl Jen

More ramblings about conspiracy theories? Again, back it up with some evidence.

[charlietwobeans]

...the blame that mysteriously seems to miss Obama's shoulders every time we talk about the finacial collapse? Does everything that happened after 1/20/09 get put on Obama's shoulders by the media? By the man himself?

I think not.

Crises, foreign, economic, natural, take time to manifest themselves. They do not adhere to election cycles.

Whose fiscal policy are we running right now? Bush's! Is it a mess? Yes! Is Obama blameless? No!

Whose foreign policy were we running on 9/11/01? Clinton's! Was it a mess? Yes! Was Bush blameless? No!

Don't find convenient shoulders to place blame on just because you don't like the person.

Originally Posted by transjen

That doesn't prove anything they could have had the tape since any time in 04, And all the tape does was nothing but to make sure Osama won his war agianst the USA by flush us in to the shitter by 4 more years of W. 9/11 was W ,s get out of jail free card he owes he's second term to fear and the fact no one rembered that he was in charge on 9/11 and blame should fall on his shoulders he was warned and he did nothing
Jerseygirl Jen

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

And how long did the white house sit on that tape? And it still doesn't give W the excuuss to use fear to stay in power
Jerseygirl Jen

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

More ramblings about conspiracy theories? Again, back it up with some evidence.

LET'S HAVE A REALITY CHECK HERE!

Here's the problem with THIS particular conspiracy theory. Jen is postulating that Bush purposefully sat on the Bin Laden tape until right before the election and THEN released it, in order to affect the 2004 presidential election (which was him versus Kerry)...

...Yet the ENORMOUS HOLE in that theory is that the tape was released to the world media at the same time. And so THEY all reported on it TOO. So what? Are conspiracists now going to claim that BOTH the White House AND the entire world media -- including arab outlets such as Al Jazeera, which has always been sympathetic to Bin Laden -- worked in cahoots to ALL suppress the tape? I mean, come on. It's one thing to talk politics...it one thing to not like Bush...but let's not go completely nutty here.

Here's the bottom line truth and history completely bears this out...

The whole REASON that Bin Laden released a new tape only 3 days from the November 2004 election is because he was hoping to SCARE Americans into voting one way...he was actually trying to shift the electorate AGAINST Bush...by purposefully trying to bring up the spectre of what had happened EARLIER THAT SAME YEAR....back in March, 2004...with the Madrid, Spain, train bombings.

For those who have already forgotten their history, that was the incident where Islamic terrorists blew up four passenger trains in Spain and killed 191 people and wounded nearly 2,000 others.

The Madrid train bombings occurred 3 days (gee, notice a similarity?) before THEIR presidential election. Basically, with the bombings, the terrorists openly warned the Spanish people that IF they didn't vote a certain way -- that is, if they didn't vote to oust incumbent President Jose Maria Anzar, who actively supported Bush's anti-terrorist views and tactics-- there would be hell to pay and more people would be killed. More civilian sites would be targeted. The result? The Spanish DID shift their votes just enough...out of pure fear...to oust Anzar.

For months afterward...as we raced towards our own presidential election...there was constant tension and talk that Islamic terrorists would try the same trick here. Both Republicans AND Democrats openly worried that as we got closer to the election there would be SOME kind of attack on American soil, in an attempt to sway voters the same way they had successfully nudged the Spanish in a different direction.

In fact, if you'll jar a few memory cells and think back to the 2004 election, maybe you'll start to remember how THAT was even a big campaign issue that was being argued on TV. The question was constantly being posed that IF there was an attack on American soil, WOULD you let it sway your vote and WOULD you vote out of fear (the same way many felt Spain had done)?

So, when Bin Laden released a new tape only a few days out from the election, anyone and everyone with a brain realized he was trying to duplicate the success they had achieved in Spain. The problem was it ultimately BACKFIRED. As news media outlets drew the comparison to Spain, more and more Americans entrenched themselves...got really pissed off...and said two things:

1) If Bin Laden is trying to scare me into voting for Kerry, then that must mean KERRY is the actual pussy that Bin Laden feels he can push around once he's in office.

2) Well, if that's how you think, then FUCK YOU, BIN LADEN! If you're THAT scared of Bush and if you're trying to make me vote the other way, now I'm DEFINITELY voting for Bush just to FUCK YOU RIGHT UP THE ASS, YOU ISLAMIC PIECE OF SHIT!

And sure enough, on election day, Bush not only won the electoral college, but as much as democrats like to conveniently forget this little FACT -- Bush ALSO won the POPULAR vote as well, by well over 3 MILLION votes. And yes, one of the things he definitely trumped Kerry in...in all the exit polls...was the key question "Who do you think will keep you safer for the next four years?"

And love him or hate him, you have to give one thing to Bush.
He DID keep you safe for the next 4 years.

So now let's see how Barry O. does with things on HIS watch...

[transjen]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

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And love him or hate him, you have to give one thing to Bush.
He DID keep you safe for the next 4 years.

So now let's see how Barry O. does with things on HIS watch...

What a load of total BS w kept us safe BS he got lucky and nothing more the boarders are still wide open W did nothing , The mighty W my ass he got Fn lucky, GEORGE W BUSH was the biggest diaster ever to hit the USA he should have been impeached and he should stand trial for war crimes

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

What a load of total BS w kept us safe BS he got lucky and nothing more the boarders are still wide open W did nothing , The mighty W my ass he got Fn lucky, GEORGE W BUSH was the biggest diaster ever to hit the USA he should have been impeached and he should stand trial for war crimes

You are so naive. But that's ok. It's leaders like George Bush & Reagan and our military that gives you the luxury to be naive.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

So the truth is starting to come out, As Tom Ridge is spilling the beans that Rumsfeld and Ashcroft wanted the terror alter levels raised just before the election in 04 not because of any threats or hard facts but wanted it raised to scare the American public in to voteing for our savior W, So all the treats on the banks in 04 was a big load of Bush lies , Looks like the Bush adminastration rats are starting to come clean
Jerseygirl Jen

Except that's NOT what Tom Ridge said at all. It's merely the spin that the Left is trying to put on a quote that has been excerpted from his upcoming book, which his PUBLISHER was trying to push. In fact, consider this -- Ridge HIMSELF has not gone on TV saying any such thing to confirm THAT was the intent at the time OR that he had been ORDERED to raise an alert level to affect the upcoming election. Likewise, Ridge HIMSELF has not come forward to even say the Left are accurately quoting his quote.

More laughable still, literally only an hour or so ago, I got a huge laugh while I was flipping around some news channels in the midst of having lunch. I caught Nora O'Donnell on MSNBC interviewing someone from US News & World Report who had gotten a hold of the quote. The problem was...as much as O'Donnell openly wore her Left-leaning politics on her sleeve, right there on the air, and as much as she kept trying to ram home the idea that "Bush and his people tricked us! They pressured Ridge! They raised the alert level to fix the election!"...even the US News & World Report person had to challenge her on air and say "Uh, no, that's NOT what the quote actually says if you really read it in context. Ridge never says there were open talks about doing such a thing, and he never says he was directly ordered or was even pressured to do such a thing. All he ACTUALLY SAYS is that AS a former Congressman and as a former Governor, he simply felt that politics regarding the nation's safety were in play 3 days out from the Bush-Kerry Presidential election."

The US News & World Report guy also noted -- in a moment of true fairness and in conjunction with a quote issued by former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld -- that raising the alert level was actually NOT even uncommon back at that time. In truth, it had actually been done EVERY SINGLE TIME by the Pentagon whenever a new message was received from Bin Laden. So doing it yet again...even 3 days out from the election...was merely in line with established Pentagon procedures.

So, frankly this story can be summed up with a giant "Well, DUH!!!" It was 3 days out from a Presidential election and politics where in play? Wow! Nice going, MSNBC! That's really some earth-shattering, late-breaking news you got a hold of there! That ought to earn you a Pulitzer!

MSNBC.
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny: "What a bunch of maroons."

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Let's focus on the problem at hand, people! We have a nation to save! First we take care of that and THEN we can throw Tracy on the bed and take turns ravishing her!

Ok, let's hurry up and save the nation!

[randolph]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

No, no...he's right. You SHOULD take a bow, Tracy, especially given how long this Obama thread has carried on and for all that you've contributed to it. You always write incredibly intelligent posts and back them up with solid information or verifiable statistics or give web links so people can learn more for themselves, so long as they get off their butt and simply click on a computer mouse. So he's right, you ARE a slice of heaven around here.

On the other hand, don't get TOO turned on () or you'll have everyone fighting over you instead of politics! Let's focus on the problem at hand, people! We have a nation to save! First we take care of that and THEN we can throw Tracy on the bed and take turns ravishing her!

I like what Creative has to say, however, we could take a break once in a while. Perhaps Creative and I could take turns between your thighs while Transjen sits on your face, If that sounds good to you.

[randolph]

This Blackwater thing is very ominous. Prince had access to the highest levels of the CIA. For the CIA to hire death squads to do their dirty work is a very dangerous precedent. The following is a link to one article on this.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090831/scahill1

[Jenae LaTorque]

[quote=randolph;102265] For the CIA to hire death squads to do their dirty work is a very dangerous precedent.
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I am not sure precedent is the right word to use here.

Maybe tradition would be more aplicable.

[randolph]

[QUOTE=Jenae LaTorque;102400]

Originally Posted by randolph

For the CIA to hire death squads to do their dirty work is a very dangerous precedent.

Originally Posted by randolph

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I am not sure precedent is the right word to use here.

Maybe tradition would be more aplicable.

Yes Jenae you have good points, ah er ahem, I mean a good point.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I like what Creative has to say, however, we could take a break once in a while. Perhaps Creative and I could take turns between your thighs while Transjen sits on your face, If that sounds good to you.

All together now...

Sit on my face, and tell me that you love me
I'll sit on your face and tell you I love you, too
I love to hear you ORALIZE
When I'm between your thighs
You blow me away

Sit on my face and let my lips embrace you
I'll sit on your face and THEN I'LL LOVE YOU TRULY
Life can be fine if we both sixty-nine
IF WE sit on our faces in all sorts of places and play
'Till we're blown away

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

All together now...

Sit on my face, and tell me that you love me
I'll sit on your face and tell you I love you, too
I love to hear you ORALIZE
When I'm between your thighs
You blow me away

Sit on my face and let my lips embrace you
I'll sit on your face and THEN I'LL LOVE YOU TRULY
Life can be fine if we both sixty-nine
IF WE sit on our faces in all sorts of places and play
'Till we're blown away

Hey Hey Hey!
Looks like we have a way to get conservatives and liberals TOGETHER!
SUCH A GOOD WAY TO "FACE" THE ISSUES.

[charlietwobeans]

Originally Posted by randolph

I like what Creative has to say, however, we could take a break once in a while. Perhaps Creative and I could take turns between your thighs while Transjen sits on your face, If that sounds good to you.

I step away for a few days vacation and come back to find you two muscling in on my slice o' heaven! Find yer own pie!

:D