Does liking shemales make you gay?

[smc]

First of all, I think that whether 'it makes you gay' or not is not important. Having said that, IMO a guy and a TS are a man and a woman, simple as that. So I don't see how that would be a gay relationship. Look at the pictures below of girls and their men making love: does that look like gay sex to you?

I have weighed in on this question from time to time, mostly to express my wish that the posts about it would all go away. But this time, I just want to thank crsd1970 for such an eloquent statement.

[tgirllover789]

I am a young guy here, and I am still figuring out what I am into. I am not into men at all, and I find the sight of two men making out or stuff to be disgustinig (not that I think it's wrong). I just have no desire for a masculine body or person.
I want trannies w tits, and dicks. Does this make me bi? It's all very very confusing.
Have any of you dated them? I don't think I could ever do that. I want to go to Thailand and fuck around. What's the deal.

[ladylover]

Ok. I am not homosexual. I am straight. I love women. And I'm not just saying that. But, why do I love transgendered girls? I'm confused. I think, in my mind, that they are women. They are. I've never been with a transgender woman. But, if it ever happened, I'd treat her like I'd treat a girlfriend. I would not hide her from my family, etc...... Anywho, why am I even curious?

[liesjeversteven]

I'm not sure if I can add anything useful to this thread, but as a lesbian I am not attracted at all to men, only women. And... As it happens I also happen to be attracted to some feminine transwomen and even some femboys. Does that make me straight? I don't think so. If you're attracted to femininity, well, transwomen can be very feminine, can't they? Don't get hung up about it, just accept it and enjoy it. I think it's quite normal

[justin84]

i am not gay but i am bisexual, i love to have sex with both genders but i really like shemales
and they are excited me so much. they have cock and they are like a girl.

i want a cock :innocent: but i want a girl :inlove: so answer is shemales :respect:
totally agree thats exactly how i see it:respect:


i love shemales and some guys and girls but i consider myself bisexual with a fetish for shemales, transvestites and femboys. i love cock and i love tits. on the same body or not, i just love it. but i need more:turnon:

[RazorGV]

I'm straight and i like shemales so my answer is NO

[hugo87]

I like shemales for their bodys and no to mention there cock, but i dont think im gay I like when they are very feminine so I think your just very kinky :yes:

[IronCity]

How can you be gay if you dont like men??

[Tranny Sore-Ass Rex]

Take a look at this site: http://forum.transladyboy.com/
Oh that's right, you're already here.
And then go to this thread: http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=8493 and have a look at this beauty...

[cyrthulem]

Why does it have to be a transsexual for me to like the cock and not a guy's cock?

[Tranny Sore-Ass Rex]

Why does it have to be a transsexual for me to like the cock and not a guy's cock?
If you're gay, then there's no problem at all.

I know it sounds strange to fancy she-males over males, a cock is a cock, right?
I simply find their (she-males) uniqueness to be more of an attraction than just a cock. That's me and I'm ok with that.

[cyrthulem]

I have been turned on by guys and drag queen before but not lately. What does it say about me sexually if I want them to give me a**l I also want to eat their c*m.

[outofmymind]

No, it's not gay. Gay men like men. Shemales are women. Any hormones or surgery done is to enhance the true gender they are inside. Penis or not they are women. Gays wouldn't be interested in a woman trans or not.

[Verywierd]

I've been with post-op ladyboys but not pre-op.

I would think that the desire to be anally penetrated by your partner's penis is a strong indicator of gayness. That is the one activity where you cannot rely on the excuse of the female appearance of your partner.

[mezy1]

Your not gay for liking. Cock and if u are so wat its wat u like

[outofmymind]

I've been with post-op ladyboys but not pre-op.

I would think that the desire to be anally penetrated by your partner's penis is a strong indicator of gayness. That is the one activity where you cannot rely on the excuse of the female appearance of your partner.


I disagree. Now the fact is there is nothing wrong with being gay. I'm a supporter of gay rights and everything. But what you posted is not gay. It's a woman's cock. There's nothing gay about it. It's fun, kinky but not gay.

[Jayshawn!]

Your not gay for liking. Cock and if u are so wat its wat u like

i agree :respect:

[chrero]

I love girls with and without cocks and I like cocks with and without girls, so I am bisexuell. And, yes, that includes gay.

[ila]

I love girls with and without cocks and I like cocks with and without girls, so I am bisexuell. And, yes, that includes gay.

Good for you for being true to yourself. :respect:

[shiG1]

I'm straight and i like shemales so my answer is NO

same for me :)

[JazzMax]

Definitely not gay...I love the femininity of the best shemales...it's what gets me off the most. If they are too masculine I'm turned off. Looked at gay porn out of curiosity but it did nothing for me.

[Lord.Steve]

Definitely not gay...I love the femininity of the best shemales...it's what gets me off the most. If they are too masculine I'm turned off. Looked at gay porn out of curiosity but it did nothing for me.


I'd say I'm the same.. Gay porn is just not for me..Though the thought of a slim,sexy figure shemale is just the best thing!

[no1000]

I'm with Lord.Steve and JazzMax. I love the femininity of tgirls and gg's but more so of tgirls.

[BrnTGLvr]

People can label themselves whatever they want but I don't understand why people are afraid of being called gay. I love femboys, TV and TG girls. If that's gay who the heck cares.

[valentinetabitha]

How is it that i can look at a beautiful TG cock and want to kiss it,suck it,taste her cum and want it in my bum,but the sight of a mans erect cock revolts me?

I used to have that problem too. The idea of a penis grossed me out unless a nice set of tits were attached as well. I've found its a progression. Slowly you'll start finding the less feminine girls on this site attractive, getting to the point where you know it is basically a man in a dress.

Once you reach that point it is only a matter of time before you accept that what you've been attracted to all along is cock and it has just taken a while for you to accept that it's okay. That's how it was for me. I still far, far prefer trans porn, but every once in a while I just enjoy looking at a nice, think cock glistening with precum :)

[AmyW]

I pretty much had to accept that if I was going to watch porn for any significant length of time, I was eventually going to see an erect male penis. I couldn't just watch lesbian porn forever, y'know?

But otherwise, yes, I was in the same situation. Female penis = yay, male penis = meh. Isn't this fetish fun? :)

[sesame]

How is it that i can look at a beautiful TG cock and want to kiss it,suck it,taste her cum and want it in my bum,but the sight of a mans erect cock revolts me?
Thats because you are attracted not to the cock itself, but to the feminine body it belongs to.;)

[no1000]

I'm with you brother. I've just grown to accept it. I like she-cock but no man-cock. :)

[farce]

You can't say you're gay unless you've looked at a man walking down the street and wanted to sleep with him. Having said that, liking shemales isn't exactly "straight" now, is it? :respect:

[CI_Mahon]

All forms of cock is hot, man-cock and she-cock alike, but when it s on a beautiful feminine form it s just so much more of a turn on, for me anyway.

[no1000]

You can't say you're gay unless you've looked at a man walking down the street and wanted to sleep with him. Having said that, liking shemales isn't exactly "straight" now, is it? :respect:

True and liking shemales isn't exactly "gay" either. :)

[smc]

You can't say you're gay unless you've looked at a man walking down the street and wanted to sleep with him. Having said that, liking shemales isn't exactly "straight" now, is it? :respect:

That is the most ridiculous measure of sexual preference I've ever read, even if it's meant only half-seriously. My gay friends, some of whom knew they were gay when they were quite young, would probably take offense.

[aw9725]

People can label themselves whatever they want but I don't understand why people are afraid of being called gay. I love femboys, TV and TG girls. If that's gay who the heck cares.

I don?t think it?s that anyone is ?afraid? of being labeled gay. Nor is there anything wrong with being gay. It?s just that "gay" is not an accurate description of some of us who like transwomen. :cool:

[TGirl Anna girly_feet_boy]

i just wanted to stop by and say something. U totally dont need to be gay to be into shemales/crossdressers etc... i'm a femboy feet beauty model and i have tons of straight members and fans on my site and around the web who had never thought of t-girls etc before me. They seen my site and my feet thru, say youtube, and started to look into it more. I've always said u dont need to be gay to be into me as my feets are so feminine and girly. I dont do nudity whatsoever so the focus is always on my pretty feet. ive never loved labels, and say just enjoy what u enjoy. if its a beautiful thing there doesnt need to be barriers in the way :)

[smc]

if its a beautiful thing there doesnt need to be barriers in the way :)

Amen, Anna! :respect:

[undercover faggot]

no, you are gay because you like cock.

[smc]

no, you are gay because you like cock.

You have a lot to learn. Most important is that labels don't matter.

[kitty cox]

I am very glad that SMC is one of our moderators. I say this even though; SMC has given me a warning or two for posting more than three Pictures from the same origin. I feel that we are in good hands when SMC says things like ?labels don?t matter? I agree whole heartedly, if the truth be known most people deplore being labeled. I know that some people will reveal little to nothing about them selves for fear of being labeled. Most of us will very cautiously and meticulously, reveal only carefully vetted facts about our selves to a new friend or potential spouse precisely to avoid being labeled. This could be why you only really get to know the person next to you many, many years after you met them, if ever.

On another issue; I would like all of you to know that I have first hand knowledge that the people that watch over this site do so with all of us in mind. I had that demonstrated to me with an email that someone had tried to logon to this website using my name but with the wrong password three times (this was really only me and my absentmindedness) I had not taken the time to commit to memory my password and was trying all of my favorite and usual passwords, when that did not work I gave up. When I got the email it told me that if someone was snooping around, I would have been given a heads up. Fortunately it was only me. I really do not know if it was SMC because I was very new to the site back then and I was quite lost at the time. Having said that let me say thank you to whoever that was, thank you for having my back. Kitty Cox

[ila]

I am very glad that SMC is one of our moderators. I say this even though; SMC has given me a warning or two for posting more than three Pictures from the same origin. I feel that we are in good hands when SMC says things like ?labels don?t matter? I agree whole heartedly, if the truth be known most people deplore being labeled. I know that some people will reveal little to nothing about them selves for fear of being labeled. Most of us will very cautiously and meticulously, reveal only carefully vetted facts about our selves to a new friend or potential spouse precisely to avoid being labeled. This could be why you only really get to know the person next to you many, many years after you met them, if ever.

On another issue; I would like all of you to know that I have first hand knowledge that the people that watch over this site do so with all of us in mind. I had that demonstrated to me with an email that someone had tried to logon to this website using my name but with the wrong password three times (this was really only me and my absentmindedness) I had not taken the time to commit to memory my password and was trying all of my favorite and usual passwords, when that did not work I gave up. When I got the email it told me that if someone was snooping around, I would have been given a heads up. Fortunately it was only me. I really do not know if it was SMC because I was very new to the site back then and I was quite lost at the time. Having said that let me say thank you to whoever that was, thank you for having my back. Kitty Cox

The email that you got was automatically generated by the site software without any input from administrators or maderators.

[smc]

Having said that let me say thank you to whoever that was, thank you for having my back. Kitty Cox

The email that you got was automatically generated by the site software without any input from administrators or maderators.

Kitty, what ila says is true, but on this site I have your back anyhow. :yes:

[aw9725]

You have a lot to learn. Most important is that labels don't matter.

He does have much to learn. If he is in fact serious. Based on my experience, many of these types of posts are not. Most are very short and typically illiterate. Poor grammar, lousy spelling, and use of ?texting,? are prevalent.

They also never specify why the author feels the way they do. Most likely it is only to get a reaction from the other members. When I first became aware of my attraction, the ?gay/straight? question was one of the reasons I started researching the Internet and visiting forums in the first place--to learn more about myself--at that time I was still married and couldn?t talk to my friends. Haven?t any of these new members read what any of us has posted? There?s some good stuff on here! I remember reading other posts on this forum long before I joined up and made my first post. There were some great posts by ila, Bionca, Hank H. and others that really helped me out. I also knew a little something about transgender individuals--not much--but even an idiot should realize that ?shemale? or ?tranny? or referring to a ?M2F? transsexual as a ?man? is offensive. Good heavens!

Anyway? i gess I culd strt 2 post messags 4 U lik that BTW I think kely shor is HOT!!! i wud luv2 suk her cock! :drool:

U no I cant stay serius 4 2long! :innocent:

[smc]

Anyway? i gess I culd strt 2 post messags 4 U lik that BTW I think kely shor is HOT!!! i wud luv2 suk her cock! :drool:

U no I cant stay serius 4 2long! :innocent:

Hey, if I write "I wud luv2 sukk her cock," does that mean I get to do it longer than you? ;)

[aw9725]

Hey, if I write "I wud luv2 sukk her cock," does that mean I get to do it longer than you? ;)

Only if "U wud luuuuuuuuuuuuuv 2 sukk her cock"! :)

[The Conquistador]

Anyway… i gess I culd strt 2 post messags 4 U lik that BTW I think kely shor is HOT!!! i wud luv2 suk her cock! :drool:

U no I cant stay serius 4 2long! :innocent:

Hey, if I write "I wud luv2 sukk her cock," does that mean I get to do it longer than you? ;)

Good God! Enough with the textspeak! My brain is becoming a pile of mush reading this. AUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

moar literacy in posts plz K thx!


The plague of textspeak is upon us! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24294592/

[smc]

Good God! Enough with the textspeak! My brain is becoming a pile of mush reading this. AUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

moar literacy in posts plz K thx!


The plague of textspeak is upon us! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24294592/

I assure you that what I wrote above is the only time in my entire life I have ever used textspeak, even when texting with my cellphone, and that it will also be the last time.

[virtualflower]

I am like you - cock on a hairy guy does nothing for me.

Cock and hanging balls on a smooth feminine body and I am raring to go!

[shiG1]

To be honest... I dont care if this is gay or not, but i wouldnt suck the dick of a man, but i would love to suck a shemale.maybe its because i look at them as woman just with a dick.anyway try to have fun whatever other people call it!

[send.the.love]

Well I don't care for labels to complex situations, they create problems and negative stereotypes. Unfortunately mankind has been fighting steroetypes since the dawn of civilization.

Knowing that, I don't bother fighting other people's labels of me. Unless of course I can prove without of shred of doubt their label is inaccurate. Most times it's just plain impossible to prove in the most factual way. Labels are often times subjective and rarely is there a clear cut definition.

In other words, I consider myself bisexual. I'm attracted to women and the illusion of femininity. I have no qualms others labeling me as gay, if that's the only way they can process it or they just want to use the term in a derogatory fashion. Seriously I know what straight, and gay mean. So it's hardly an insult to me. I don't bother wasting time trying to convince others that gay isn't a putdown. I'd rather they rant and rave in their stupidity and go I can home and giggle about it.

There's no use confronting stupidity or deliberate ignorance, it only creates more problems. I just let them feel big and mighty calling me gay, when in fact they are using the term wrong. I feel better letting them feel big about it, because I know the truth and I know who and what I am.

[WudLuv2try]

How is it that i can look at a beautiful TG cock and want to kiss it,suck it,taste her cum and want it in my bum,but the sight of a mans erect cock revolts me?

Think of it this way.

The 'cock' is the gift, and the 'person' is the gift box.

[JodieTs]

IF YOU LOVE TOO SUCK ON SHEMALES ARE YOU GAY, OR JUST KINKY. FROM A NON GAY PERSON POINT OF VIEW:frown::innocent::turnon: ANY INSIGHTS TOO THIS ONE :innocent::coupling:
For luvmedo only
{for starting this thread, which dehumanises us ts's & suggests we are fakes}

"Yes that is a penis,
& yes that does make you gay"

...carry on.

[undercover faggot]

now ladies, being hypocrites just isn't sexy.

i'm a real person, and i'm ok with the fact that i like an occasional penis in my mouth. i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not.

you can call it whatever you want, and "blah, blah, blah" about labels. you are just in denial, and putting me down for being honest. you can't hide in your own little universe forever.

[smc]

now ladies, being hypocrites just isn't sexy.

i'm a real person, and i'm ok with the fact that i like an occasional penis in my mouth. i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not.

you can call it whatever you want, and "blah, blah, blah" about labels. you are just in denial, and putting me down for being honest. you can't hide in your own little universe forever.

It's notable that you did not quote any particular posts in writing this, perhaps to avoid any individual from taking exception and coming back after your post. By "ladies," do you mean only some members who have posted in this thread?

More notable though, is that by not quoting any particular post, you render your opinion rather useless. Who is hiding in whose universe? All of us? Point to the specific post.

As for the use of the word "considered" in your post. Everyone should keep in mind that just because something is "considered" to be something doesn't make it true. The world was once "considered" to be flat.

[aw9725]

now ladies, being hypocrites just isn't sexy.

i'm a real person, and i'm ok with the fact that i like an occasional penis in my mouth. i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not.

you can call it whatever you want, and "blah, blah, blah" about labels. you are just in denial, and putting me down for being honest. you can't hide in your own little universe forever.


So you are saying that a transwoman is a man with “lipstick and fake tits”? Sounds like it to me.

The members of this forum are the least of your problems… I don’t think that you will be able to hide in your own little universe forever. :lol:

[undercover faggot]

so now two men sucking each others dicks isn't gay sex? how delusional. then you want to imply that i'm the one who is being dishonest with myself? trust me, i'm the one dealing with the real world.

[aw9725]

Christ, not another one! I've said what I have to say. I'll let others respond to your "lipstick and tits" comment if they want to. :cool:

[Dougcair]

I am straight and I love shemales! Thank god for these lovely ladies!

[smc]

At issue in the exchange between undercover faggot and others in the posts from today is ungendering.

On this board, we make a point of respecting each and every person's right to self-determination of her or his gender identity.

undercover faggot wrote: "i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not." In doing so, and in the context of his other posts, undercover faggot has decided for others their gender identity. It may be the case that someone undercover faggot has sucked who has "lipstick ... and fake tits" identifies as a man. That is fine. But to imply that anyone with those attributes (however "fake tits" might be defined) is ungendering.

To defend one's ungendering by resorting to personal attacks and insults on other members, rather than discussing the issues -- even very, very sharply -- typically speaks volumes about how defensible the attacker's position really is.

[send.the.love]

so now two men sucking each others dicks isn't gay sex? how delusional. then you want to imply that i'm the one who is being dishonest with myself? trust me, i'm the one dealing with the real world.Lets be honest here...you're trolling. I mean if you think otherwise, obviously you're in a state of denial. ;)

[diknut]

i love pussy aswell as cwd so i dont think it makes you gay for me male attention is unwanted and i would proberly knock them out if it ever arose

[smc]

i love pussy aswell as cwd so i dont think it makes you gay for me male attention is unwanted and i would proberly knock them out if it ever arose

Now that's an unadmirable response to attention -- "knock them out" -- if ever I saw one. Beware!

[bean]

I'm not into guys, I prefer to see a Beautiful women on the end of the dick I'm sucking. I love sucking cock and I enjoy being a bottom the more I do it.
So I guess I'm gay, so I say who gives a S**T, I'm having a great time

[aw9725]

Found this and thought it might be "required reading" for this thread: http://ezinearticles.com/?Does-Dating-A-Transsexual-Make-Me-Gay?&id=906471 :)

[aw9725]

i love pussy aswell as cwd so i dont think it makes you gay for me male attention is unwanted and i would proberly knock them out if it ever arose

"Knock them out"? Why would you want to hurt them? I obviously can’t speak for everyone but I workout a lot and I am not offended if a gay man admires my physique. Last night my GF and I went to a bar with a gay and a lesbian couple and I had quite a few “admirers.” Of course it could be the Harley... ;)

[mrallen9898]

This gets asked lots. So much so I have 2 brief answers...

1) Does it matter if it makes you gay? If so, why?

2) It boils down to how you view Trans*women. Are they women who have/had a penis, or are they men with tits?

You tell the truth; I've always felt a ladyboy, Tgirl, or shemale was 100% mentally a woman and treated them that way with respect and kindness just as you would a "so called" normal woman. Speaking frankly I've felt more loved by my Tgirl then by any woman.

[The Conquistador]

No. A lady with a cock is like the embodiment of "opposites attract". It should not be there, but it is and it is very pleasing to look at. Think like magnetic levitation or a platypus. Or even an intricate animation with psychadelic colors like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCqZCbS9pYo&feature=related

[JodieTs]

I have been with 4 shemales and really enjoyed it. It was all oral.

It is odd, I do not think I could do the same with a regular male, though I know technically it is the same. While I love being around shemales, I find gay males bothersome.

So I am a bit confused

It has caused some conflict for me.

Yes I have a penis
& yes
that does make you gay.




[threads like this,
call out transsexual persons as male, in the eyes of the OP'.
Which is why I post replies like this
....here, have some head-fuck, back]

[smc]

Yes I have a penis
& yes
that does make you gay.




[threads like this,
call out transsexual persons as male, in the eyes of the OP'.
Which is why I post replies like this
....here, have some head-fuck, back]

But Jodie, you're presuming the OP reads, or reads the entire post. Meanwhile, other people read it and it spurs these inane threads. :frown:

[ila]

Yes I have a penis
& yes
that does make you gay.




[threads like this,
call out transsexual persons as male, in the eyes of the OP'.
Which is why I post replies like this
....here, have some head-fuck, back]

Thanks, Jodie. I really enjoy your replies. :respect:

[JodieTs]

Thanks, Jodie. I really enjoy your replies. :respect:
Thanks.
I'm happy to give my perception and to entertain,
roughly in equal proportions!

[J Dizzle]

Hell no it's not gay, maybe a littlebi but thats just fun.
I :heart: lady :turnon:

[alyssaluxor]

you are Gay! lol

uhmmm!

:coupling:

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[smc]

you are Gay! lol

uhmmm!

:coupling:

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

If I had the delightful opportunity to be in bed with you, Alyssa, and someone burst in and yelled, "smc, you're gay!," I would gladly embrace the label (assuming I was even paying attention to anything other than your absolute deliciousness). Who the hell cares about labels?!

[outofmymind]

No. It's not gay. A shemale is a woman so no it's not gay.

[outofmymind]

If I had the delightful opportunity to be in bed with you, Alyssa, and someone burst in and yelled, "smc, you're gay!," I would gladly embrace the label (assuming I was even paying attention to anything other than your absolute deliciousness). Who the hell cares about labels?!


You read my mind. :respect::respect:

[alyssaluxor]

You read my mind. :respect::respect:

If I had the delightful opportunity to be in bed with you, Alyssa, and someone burst in and yelled, "smc, you're gay!," I would gladly embrace the label (assuming I was even paying attention to anything other than your absolute deliciousness). Who the hell cares about labels?!

thanks sweeties actually im just joking and trying to break the ice :hug:

:coupling:

[outofmymind]

Break the ice?

You're an absolutley gorgeous woman.

To see such a perfect girl as you be so down to earth is a huge turn on.

If only we could meet Alyssa.

[JodieTs]

2) It boils down to how you view Trans*women.
Are they women who have/had a penis,
or are they men with tits?

You men will look at us as women who have/had a penis
Your wife/girlfriend will look at us as men with tits

[CI_Mahon]

I'm sure this has already been said but I just thought I would post my view as well.
and personally I don t think liking shemales makes you gay, but so what if it does who cares!! I consider myself bi because I like women, guys and shemales, but you can call me what you like personally I don t mind.

[no1000]

I'm right there with you OP. Just do whatever makes you feel happy and fuck what everyone else does/thinks/says.

[cherrboi89]

i think being gay is that you like the same sex. therefore if you believe shemales are guys then your are gay. I had the same thoughts about am i gay but then realized that i wasn't. I like girls and probably would take them over shemales.

[TigerDragon]

To be gay you need an openly recognisable sexual attraction to male characteristics. And I mean the whole nine yards. A gay man won't be attracted to mtf transexuals because of the female characteristics they openly display. A BISEXUAL man may do, because he finds female and male characteristics sexually attractive.
Whether you consider yourself straight or bisexual also can tie in to how much respect you show for trans women as well. If you think of them as women, respecting their sense of gender identity, then you think of yourself as straight. if you think of them as something in-between, then you most likely at least partly see yourself as bisexual, whereas if you see them as men, well, I don't think anyone fits that definition of both being attracted to them and seeing them as men.

Amy, you have described it, the way I view transexual girls. In their heart, mind and soul, they are without doubt a woman. I was so confused for so long, being attracted to a t/g?!! But, you are so right. You know within yourself if you are bi, gay, straight or a t/g lover! And, if it is not hurting yourself or anyone else...so what? Live and love.

[TigerDragon]

Yes, I feel guilty some of the time, but not because I chalk it up to some sort of sin or anything along any religious lines. I used to work in an outpatient mental health facility, and we would sometimes get people in there suffering from sexual identity crisis, sometimes showing up crossdressing (and failing pretty miserably at being "convincing") and those particular cases were almost all brought on by sexual abuse at a very young age. Likewise, I have a male cousin who longs to be a lady, swearing and declaring he was born with the wrong plumbing, and yet he too suffered sexual abuse when he was very young.

So the main reason I sometimes feel guilty is because I feel like I just might be "cashing in" on somebody else's trauma. I don't know how or why all of these t-girls are or rather become what they are...the life decisions that have brought them to the point where I'm seeing pics or videos of them...but the nagging thought in the back of my mind is: "*What if* they were molested and/or abused? Am I feeding into their emotional turmoil?" In other words, I sometimes think I'm digging on exploitation of a deeper issue, and deriving pleasure out of somebody else's misfortune is simply not cool.

Another reason I feel guilty is that I sometimes think I'm doing nothing more than bullshitting myself. Every so often a "before" pic will hit the internet of a t-girl, and that kind of reality check is like a slap to the face. The way I see it is: I would never in a million years find a man attractive, but shave his body, grow his hair out, slap on some make-up and boobs, and suddenly I'm like "Oh what a beautiful woman!" Bullshit...I'm drooling over a guy that's had some work done. I'm not saying that is how I truly feel all of the time, just some of the time when I'm in those moments of guilt. Why? Who knows. Like our attractions, we can't always control our thoughts on things either, no matter how invasive they can be at times.

Gar Gor, you are like me and think too much. If you love the person, and 'she' was born with a bit more plumbing? So what! Does it really matter at the end of the day? I was raised a strict Catholic, right is right, wrong is wrong, no black & white...yet there is! I have found that t/g girls are what they beleive, in their minds, hearts and souls. What right have we to have our guilt trip upon them?! It is almost like judging them. Anyway, enough said. Your heart is probably in the right place, just don't think too much!:respect:

[hankhavelock]

Hi Everyone, I was wondering if anyone ever feels guilty about what we like and what turns us on.

No guilt, only pride...

It boils down to how you view Trans*women. Are they women who have/had a penis, or are they men with tits?

Bingo! As spoken by myself :-)

[valentinetabitha]

Guilty? No, although it's not something I broadcast. The only other person who knows I do is my wife. Even then, I don't really talk to her about it.

I feel guilty, but only because I haven't told my wife. She knows I'm bisexual, but that's the extent of it. Given that she's very conservative, I've decided that this is one of those things she just doesn't need to know about.

Still, I've told friends, but only ones that live out of state.

[yumyum]

I like T-girls. I like what I like. I can't help it. And I don't feel ashamed in the slightest. Not with myself anyway.

Sure, I might get embarrassed if my mum caught me sucking a girls dick but there you go. And I don't run around telling everyone in the world. But at the end of the day, how can you feel guilty for liking something that you like.

[Jayshawn!]

i did at first but i dont feel guilty about any of the porn i like, im not the only one who likes and i already like i cant change that so theres no point in feeling guilty about it, as long as your happy with yourself thats all that matters.

[new believer]

Good point about bringing up porn. But unnecessary. We really shouldn't equate porn and Trannyism(is that even a word?) Just like in the 'normal'(sic) world, many folk like porn, many more (?) do not. I may not be a TG, but I'll wager many do like porn and many don't.

As far as for the initial question, I may feel guilty about liking porn, but not about TG's.

[joh]

Hi Everyone, I was wondering if anyone ever feels guilty about what we like and what turns us on. I know i do from time to time. I've been into ladyboys since i was a teenager, I'm now 28. Every once in a while i start to feel bad and guilty for liking T-Girls and i try to just look at regular porn, but most of the time it does nothing for me, I just have to come back to shemale porn. As i say it doesn't happen very often just now and then, Just wanted to know if anyone experiences the same kind of thing.

I do to sometimes I don't watch much porn but I have with many all pre ops and have had girl friends all tops that is the only way to go:turnon:

[joh]

I don't know I know once a man has been with a shemale and fell in love with her and worshiped big cock the bond is very strong and being with a g girl doesn't compare

Joh:turnon:

[mysteryorchid]

To me the love of shemales is the love of both worlds.... makes me bisexual.... and proud ! :coupling:

[gregg]

I love women and men,but t girls most of all!! I guess I'm bi but who cares it is just a label.

[Baron Von Bangkok]

I've been in a relationship with a Laotian ladyboy for over two years and i'm still not sure how to answer this question. I know i'm not straight thats for sure, she also agrees with this. I'm rarely sexualy attracted to genetic females nowdays but on the other hand i've never been attracted to men.
Until they come up with a term to label me i'm just you're average human, be it one who's willing to fulfil his sexual destiny.

[smc]

I've been in a relationship with a Laotian ladyboy for over two years and i'm still not sure how to answer this question. I know i'm not straight thats for sure, she also agrees with this. I'm rarely sexualy attracted to genetic females nowdays but on the other hand i've never been attracted to men.
Until they come up with a term to label me i'm just you're average human, be it one who's willing to fulfil his sexual destiny.

I like the last part of your last sentence, but the part about "they" coming up with a "term to label" you seems unnecessary. Who the hell cares how "they" label you, or me, or anyone else?! You've already given your self the "label": human.

[Baron Von Bangkok]

I like the last part of your last sentence, but the part about "they" coming up with a "term to label" you seems unnecessary. Who the hell cares how "they" label you, or me, or anyone else?! You've already given your self the "label": human.

As a human i think it has become normal to want to categorise everything. Look at the vast number of musical genres for example. It would be great if everyone could accept eachother for who they are but people need a name. Gay/straight/bisexual but nothing for the vast number of people with the same sexual interests as ourselves. It would save me having to get into pointless conversations with people who have never met anyone whose primary sexual appetite revolves around transgenderism.
Just give me a label and i'll move along. Otherwise this gay/straight debate on such forums will go on forever and ever.

[sunghung25]

Nope i love pussy but i also like a chick with a big dick haha

[luvigne]

I tend not to use "labels" but I don't think I'm gay for liking shemales

I am attracted to both women and shemales but I am not attracted to men. Although on the rare occasion I do find I get turned on by a guys cock, but not the man whose cock it is...

I like women and cocks. I am straight with a cock fetish :yes:

[sosed]

I'm not interested in males, so I'm not gay. I'm interested in females, be it genetic girls or t-girls. It is not so important what she have between her legs, but that she is a girl in bed and in everyday life and that I could treat her as a girl. Even a genetic girl, who want to be more male than I am, is not what I wish.

[bosbes]

And even if it makes you gay, sow what?

As already stated in this thread, its just how you look at it. My love for shemales doesnt have anthing to do with males... its just that i love some cock now and then :turnon: ;) OK, guys have them to, but they cant turn me on at all!

[OMG]

I tend not to use "labels" but I don't think I'm gay for liking shemales

I am attracted to both women and shemales but I am not attracted to men. Although on the rare occasion I do find I get turned on by a guys cock, but not the man whose cock it is...

I like women and cocks. I am straight with a cock fetish :yes:


Yep, what he said .

[tsfever]

I know many men look at this thread and wonder about their sexuality. Think of it this way:

1) You might be gay. If you like men you like men ... COOLIO! I personally do not think being attracted to a T-girl is a "gateway drug"...lol

2 You might be Straight. I personally feel this way. I LOVE gg's and very passable Tg's. If I really had to "Frued" myself I'd say it is because I am a Sub in bed...... so what better than a TG?

3) You are neither and both. You like what you like. Men, Girls, T-girls.... Nuthing wrong with that either!


You are who you are. You like what you like. None of this "makes " you gay, straight or otherwise,

Spend your time enjoying what you enjoy, instead of worrying about the "label" you need to attach to yourself.

We are all gonna die , so you got this life.... enjoy it!!!:cool:

[tgirlluvver]

Straight, period!

A pre-op transgendered woman is a transgendered female.

It's just about a male loving a female.

It's not at all homosexuality!

[deusex]

when I first started looking at ladyboy pics I was telling myself over again That 'i'm not gay'. but couple of years later I've opened my mind and enjoy anything from gay to crossdressers to femboys etc..!!!

[wdavidsond]

I don't feel that liking trannies makes me gay The sight of a ladyboys breast makes all the difference the dick I prefer a small uncut one but the combination is more than I can take the beauty of the best of both sexes is very obvious in the trannie

[ASPHIXIATION]

I believe that all of us are born somewhere on a sexual continuum, where the extremes are all hetero and all gay. I I do not like guys,, muscles, masculinity,,,,, but curves and softness. I do not have a problem finding shemale's sexxy.

[Derek1968]

or better yet, are WE gay?

ok so for about a year now i've been extremely turned on by shemales (obviously or i wouldn't be here right now)... but i'm also very attracted to women. i really like the thought of a hard cock and large balls on a very feminine type of girl, it really turns me on. but i am confused because i see these shemales as girls, even though they have dicks. i am also very opposed to the idea of a dick in my ass, i really think it's sick and would never do it, but i would love to stick mine in a shemale. the thought of calling myself "bisexual" or gay annoys me because i don't like men at all. i don't have fantasies about wearing wemon's clothing or anything like that.. the only doubt about myself i have is my love for a women with a long hard cock. i can't talk about this to anyone personally becuase they will think i'm gay, and everyone close to me is opposed to gay things.. especially my friends, because i'm still in high school, and let's just say i'm probably younger than everyone here.

so i was wondering if anyone has similar feelings, or can give me some advice?

I am sexually attracted only to women and have never had sex of any kind with a man, nor am I attracted in anyway to cross-dressing or -dressers, yet I, like you, find "fake shemales" a special turn on, followed by shapely, as female-looking as possible, real shemales, i.e. ones with beautiful females bodies and faces. My opinion is this: the transformation in childhood of everyone's innate bisexuality carries them to where what is attractive and not disgusting to them is acceptable; most everything else seems neutral or disgusting; some objects of desire may be modified but a great many that were only potentially desirable become impossible. I am heterosexual--not because my "gayness" has been injured. I had the potential to be bisexual, but am heterosexual. Being gay may be mostly genetic; I don't have "the gay gene" (it isn't as if I were missing something, however). Moreover, my taste for pictures of shemales (not a taste for them in actuality, mind you; it's a fantasy!) arose one day in a flash of inspiration about 20 years ago (before the internet) when I wanted to represent "an additional jolt of "sexual oomph" to a fantasy of Woman (it had nothing to do with a man). I thought of a gorgeous woman with a phallus, bisexual (a zest for women as well as for men). With a phallus, my fantasy woman could boost other women to Wonderland as well as men who have discovered their g-spot is in their prostate gland). Don't fret. You aren't gay. You're looking for a woman who will be as interested in sex as you are and who wants to fuck you.

[mabedzaqueen]

I am heterosexual--not because my "gayness" has been injured. I had the potential to be bisexual, but am heterosexual. Being gay may be mostly genetic; I don't have "the gay gene" (it isn't as if I were missing something, however).

Loved your post, Derek, and even if my views differ somewhat from yours, I'd like to comment on it... So I'll get straight (ahem) to the point: Suppose one typical guy (let's call him Fred) in his mid-forties, totally oblivious to the possible presence of a "gay gene" in his system, begins to feel an overwhelming desire for cock (he had always been into cis-women), no matter who the cock belongs to (guy or girl)... Kind of unsettled, he pays a visit to his doctor: "Nah, don't worry Fred, you're straight in the middle of a seveeere mid-life crisis, that's all... Sooner than you know, it'll be just a memory!" Hummm... Guess what? Eight years later, Fred's still into cock, more than ever... Now I'm not askin' you for a diagnosis, Derek, but you apparently know a thing or two about some sort of "gay gene", right? So I'd like to know if there's a chance (so to speak) that he'd been born with said gene in his system, but for some reason the thing waited 'til Fred becomes more vulnerable, physically or emotionally, before hitting... not unlike some sort of "intelligent", devastating virus?

[brain0r]

Most of TS-loving guys are not gay. It's a difference if you like cocks or men.
Personally I only like TS, who actually look like real women. A TS, who looks like a shaved man with some silicone tits, destroys every hardon. So I guess I am (and most of the other guys here are) definitely not gay. Although I would like to try her cock in my ass

[smc]

Most of TS-loving guys are not gay. It's a difference if you like cocks or men.
Personally I only like TS, who actually look like real women. A TS, who looks like a shaved man with some silicone tits, destroys every hardon. So I guess I am (and most of the other guys here are) definitely not gay. Although I would like to try her cock in my ass

Wow, you've been here for such a short time and can already speak for MOST TS-loving guys? Do you mean in the world, or just on this site. That's pretty amazing. Would it be okay for me to contact you and get the generalized answers to some other questions that have been vexing me? For instance, I've always heard that MOST guys in America who drive pick-ups with outlandishly large tires have very small penises. Could you confirm that for me?

Thanks.

(Yes, this IS sarcasm.)

Not being labeled "gay" seems to be important to you. Personally, for me, I couldn't give a rat's ass. But I wouldn't go around presuming to know for anyone else, especially MOST people.

[brain0r]

I assumed that most TS-loving people are not gay. I read some posts here and in other forums. But of course I don't know. Maybe this is also only because people like me ask this question. I don't know
It's not really important for me. But it happened, that I asked it myself. And as there is a thread here I just wrote it down. Didn't expect, that you react in this way

[franalexes]

A guy loving a gal is called "straight". If he loves another guy, that's being gay. If you find yourself hopelessly in love with a T-girl on sight, that's not the most brilliant thing to happen to you but it's awful close. We need a term name for that. Maybe you can invent one.;)

[smc]

I assumed that most TS-loving people are not gay. I read some posts here and in other forums. But of course I don't know. Maybe this is also only because people like me ask this question. I don't know
It's not really important for me. But it happened, that I asked it myself. And as there is a thread here I just wrote it down. Didn't expect, that you react in this way

Of course, I used your post to make a more general point that I and several others here have made time and again. For me, this question serves no purpose whatsoever except to label people. And for what purpose? It seems to me that self-labeling has very little importance, even for those who ask such questions about themselves. But for society -- and particularly for those who reject anything that is "different" from themselves and who use labels ultimately as a way to dismiss and discriminate -- these labels are very important. So, my sarcasm was not really directed at you personally, but at the entire labeling enterprise.

Asking about how to label one's self, again, is not a question I wish to pursue for myself. I certainly respect that others may want to ask. I do think it's important, though, not to generalize unless you can back up your generalization with actual data.

[SwedishTsGirl]

Does liking shemales make u gay or better yet, are WE gay?
Ok so for about a year now i've been extremely turned on by shemales (obviously or i wouldn't be here right now)... but i'm also very attracted to women. i really like the thought of a hard cock and large balls on a very feminine type of girl, it really turns me on.

The answer is a big NO!. Liking shemales doesent make a man gay, it makes maybe a man somewhat bisexual..bot NOT gay. Gaymen doesnt like any type of feminity, they are ONLY turned on the male body..THATS what make them gay and not straight or bisexual. There is a metafor in clothing..nothing makes a woman so feminine as wearing SOME traditional male clothing..my theory that the same phenomena is making its remark here...concerning mens attraction into shemales...nothing makes a sweet girl so extremly feminine as a penis bewteen her legs..the male organ makes her apperiance and the soft feminine shemale body superfeminine!

[randolph]

The answer is a big NO!. Liking shemales doesent make a man gay, it makes maybe a man somewhat bisexual..bot NOT gay. Gaymen doesnt like any type of feminity, they are ONLY turned on the male body..THATS what make them gay and not straight or bisexual. There is a metafor in clothing..nothing makes a woman so feminine as wearing SOME traditional male clothing..my theory that the same phenomena is making its remark here...concerning mens attraction into shemales...nothing makes a sweet girl so extremly feminine as a penis between her legs..the male organ makes her appearance and the soft feminine shemale body superfeminine!

This is an interesting comment. A woman can increase her feminity by wearing some male clothing, the converse seems to be a transsexual wearing feminine clothing obviously increases her feminity. But a cock also increases the transsexuals feminity. Interesting how the mind works. :confused:
By the way, you may get into trouble here, by referring to a shemales penis as the (male organ). :innocent:

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A funny thing happened this past week when I was in the Castro District of San Francisco. I was walking up Castro St with my ex wife when a very tall drag queen walked past us with speed. She stands 6'4" barefoot then with 6" stiletto's and a huge wig-totalling over 7'. Now that's saying something as my ex is 6' and wears a 38 inseam-10 inches longer than me. Next thing you know we are following her into her store where we ended up spending almost an hour chatting and ex trying on shoes. By the time we left-we were more like 3 old buds. Queen gave ex a big hug and then proceeded to offer me (accepted of course) a big long hug embrace and kisses on each others cheeks. As we start up the sidewalk - ex smiles and says something about that looooong sexy embrace and kisses and remarks commence about not knowing I had gay tendencies or appreciation- while chuckling away. That opened to a great conversation about the fact that "queenie" to me was not a man but was a woman with a pecker and therefore sexy. If the ex didn't get sick the next day we would have been going to the best drag/ts up close and personal show in Frisco. Got a big feeling that is going to lead to a threesome sometime shortly down the road when she returns here later this spring.

Little does she know that I would and have sucked - sucked by, fucked and fucked by every ts that has come my way. Oh - am I gay? As per the discussion we three had--guys whether bears, twinks or muscles does not interest me.
:innocent:

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Wanting to fuck a tranny does not make you gay. Continuously asking if you are gay definitely makes you gay tho.

[JodieTs]

By the way, you may get into trouble here, by referring to a shemales penis as the (male organ). :innocent:
Ye Randolph, you make an important point.
The correct and accepted terms are:
Pussy-pole
Clittystick
Femrod
Girlydick
Pinkenetrator
and not forgetting
"OMG what the fuck is that! Does this mean I'm gay?"

[SwedishTsGirl]

This is an interesting comment. A woman can increase her feminity by wearing some male clothing, the converse seems to be a transsexual wearing feminine clothing obviously increases her feminity. But a cock also increases the transsexuals feminity. Interesting how the mind works. :confused:
By the way, you may get into trouble here, by referring to a shemales penis as the (male organ). :innocent:

Ye Randolph, you make an important point.
The correct and accepted terms are:
Pussy-pole
Clittystick
Femrod
Girlydick
Pinkenetrator
and not forgetting
"OMG what the fuck is that! Does this mean I'm gay?"

Thanks for enlighting me in this subject, I am not familiar with all the terms in the ts/shemale community..but neverless I hope u get my point..its the girlydicks combine with the female shemalebodies that make us even more feminine then most gg.

[JodieTs]

Thanks for enlighting me in this subject, I am not familiar with all the terms in the ts/shemale community.
:confused::confused::confused::confused:

I'm taking the piss.... :rolleyes:

[smc]

Ye Randolph, you make an important point.
The correct and accepted terms are:
Pussy-pole
Clittystick
Femrod
Girlydick
Pinkenetrator
and not forgetting
"OMG what the fuck is that! Does this mean I'm gay?"

For me, that last one is:

"OMG, put that in my mouth. Who the fuck cares if that means I'm gay?!"

[randolph]

I like clittycock, but I don't care what it is called as long as it is fucking my tonsils. I want her holding my hair as she fucks my brain's out. Thrusting deep and feeling her balls slam against my chin over and over until she fills me with her silky tranny cum. :lol:

[JodieTs]

For me, that last one is:

"OMG, put that in my mouth. Who the fuck cares if that means I'm gay?!"

No it doesn't make a person gay.
{I'm just fuck'in with your heads!}

[randolph]

.
{I'm just fuck'in with your heads!}

Oh! I like that, don't stop, please. :inlove:

I think I have become a MDP

[smc]

No it doesn't make a person gay.
{I'm just fuck'in with your heads!}

Mmmm, fuckin' my head. Mmmmmm.

[cannibal]

Does liking shemales make you gay?

As with everything, there are those who are and those who aren't. It's not exactly the liking of shemales that makes someone gay or not. I believe you can like shemales and not be gay, but you also can like shemales and be gay.

I mean, you can suck her penis and be a man about it, or you can suck her penis and don't. You can be fucked and take it like a man, or not. As many say, it's in the attitude and not actually in the shape of the genital. I have seen guys fuck girls on video and be gay about it the whole time. I have seen guys suck shemale on video and keep their manhood the whole time. So I don't believe that liking shemales is what terminally defines gayness.

[billyanus]

why put labels on anything? you are what you are, if you think you are gay, then chances are you are. sucking cock or taking it deep doesnt make you anything unless you want to be.

[ErosArtist]

Of course not.

I love transgendered women - I think they're beautiful, I think they're sexy, I think they're very interesting, likable, and lovable people.

But does that 'make me gay?' Not at all.

Not once have I ever looked at some dude in a bar, or at the mall, or the beach, or in the locker room and said or thought "dammmm...I gotta get me some o' that."

Not one single time.

And yes, this thread is stupid.

[transfan85]

I can only speak for myself, and this is something I have given a lot of thought to. I consider myself a gay male, I date men, I love men. I accidentily came across the trans-world and discovered I was insanely attracted to the girls I saw. The wonderful thing about tgirls, is that they are neither women nor men. They are something else entirely. Having said that, perhaps we are a third sexuality all our own, neither gay or straight. No matter what we're called, I love transgirls and won't stop :-)

[ila]

I can only speak for myself, and this is something I have given a lot of thought to. I consider myself a gay male, I date men, I love men. I accidentily came across the trans-world and discovered I was insanely attracted to the girls I saw. The wonderful thing about tgirls, is that they are neither women nor men. They are something else entirely. Having said that, perhaps we are a third sexuality all our own, neither gay or straight. No matter what we're called, I love transgirls and won't stop :-)

I disagree. Transwomen are 100% women and only women.

[ussbwk073]

I've heard this question over and over again. The short answer is no and the deep answer is, "Does it really matter??"

[franalexes]

we are what you define us to be; but your deffinition ends with you.

T-gurls are like a sportscar that came off the assembly line with the wrong transmission. Some parts may not seem right but you may be in for a hellova ride!;):censored:

[randolph]

we are what you define us to be; but your deffinition ends with you.

T-gurls are like a sportscar that came off the assembly line with the wrong transmission. Some parts may not seem right but you may be in for a hellova ride!;):censored:

There's nothing wrong with a stick shift, especially a floor model.
A big V8 and four on the floor, yeah baby!

[streetglide]

Technically I'
m a eunuch...but in my mind I'm still the same male I've always been. I just lost my testicles in an accident.
This is something I've pondered. I'm straight. But gay is by definition "homosexual" same sex. So what sex is a transexual? Were is the line drawn?
I've thought of it and decided that the only way I could have "gay" sex would be with another eunuch.
Who's to say....and quite frankly, who cares!

[mabedzaqueen]

I can only speak for myself, and this is something I have given a lot of thought to. I consider myself a gay male, I date men, I love men. I accidentily came across the trans-world and discovered I was insanely attracted to the girls I saw. The wonderful thing about tgirls, is that they are neither women nor men. They are something else entirely. Having said that, perhaps we are a third sexuality all our own, neither gay or straight. No matter what we're called, I love transgirls and won't stop :-)

Well transfan85, maybe you spoke "only for yourself", but the path that led you to discover trans-women is surprisingly similar to mine. Five months ago, i wanted to start a thread, "Could a homosexual man get aroused by Tgirls??" (as if i possibly were the only one in this forum:rolleyes:), but seeing how this thread got continuously bashed and ridiculed, even by moderators, i quickly dismissed the idea...

Not long ago, i read what wikipedia says about kathoeys (Asian shemales) being considered a third gender in Thailand (and other Buddhist countries) and should you, transfan85, be curious enough to read it too, you'll be amazed how the part of your post that i made in bold makes sense, perhaps even more than you thought while writing it...

Needless to say your post was like a breath of fresh air for me:yes:

[cannibal]

Five months ago, i wanted to start a thread, "Could a homosexual man get aroused by Tgirls??"
Can a homosexual man be aroused by a woman? It happens all the time, some are even married and have children... So, as I said, I don't think it's the attraction to tgirls that makes someone gay or not.

Not long ago, i read what wikipedia says about kathoeys (Asian shemales) being considered a third gender in Thailand (and other Buddhist countries)
I never really get the 3rd gender label, because I'm not sure this is really possible. From a certain point of view, all the characteristics in the 3rd gender are the same of the already existing genders - male and female. I don't think there are any specific 3rd gender characteristics. It makes more sense to me to consider them by their mental gender than to keep coming up with hybrid stuff.

[transfan85]

I guess it boils down to, you are who you are, you like what you like. People will call you whatever makes them feel comfortable. I'm a transfan, and I like it that way.

[flashman]

Laws are guides for the wise and rules for fools, and I think this applies also to the laws of nature. Maybe it's a little less about being 'this' or 'that', or 'one' or 'the other' and even 'gay' or 'straight', and more about accepting that everything has a little bit of the unknown about it. Which makes things more interesting anyway.

I reckon a good way to assess who you are and what you do is to look at the effect you have on others. If people are better off for associating with you then what you are doing is good. If your actions are harmful, then they are bad.

I like shemales, I don't know why but I know that I do.

[FlacoPro]

I've asked myself this question so many times over the years. There was a time I would feel deep guilt after watching Shemale porn, but nowadays I just don't give a crap. I LOVE Shemales. I love women as well and have never had sex with a shemale. But If the opportunity comes across, and a TransWoman wants to top me I'll be all for it. Even though I'm sure it would hurt lol. When I'm outside, I usually only think of women. But when I'm alone all I think of are Shemales, I really can't get enough of them no matter how much I try...

[BigPhilly]

Hi forum. I'm new here and this has been bugging me for a while. I don't like males but I love Tgirls and Traps and that sort of stuff. I'm only 19 so i've never been with a TSgirl before but I do enjoy Transexual porn and chicks with dicks. I can't help but feel a little gay? I get upset about it sometimes. This is also the first time i've ever opened up about this stuff.

[transjen]

GUYS GUYS please get over this whole am i gay thing, and stop trying to label and class and group people
I'll fill you in on a few facts, first off when i was pre-op i dressed acted and thought like a girl so even tho i had a penis at the time i was a girl so any guy that dated me at the time was in realitly dating a woman
Know the whole sex thing agian stop labeling sex is a way to pleasure each other is it not? and at that time between my legs was a penis so my boyfriends would play with it not because they were gay but to pleasure me
So just go out and have fun and stop worring about the gay thing
:eek::eek: Jerseygirl Jen

[Boner]

Today on Maury Povich they had an episode with ten lovely ladies, some of whom were t-girls, and the audience had to guess which ones weren't born female. Sadly I was at work and couldn't watch the whole thing when this came on but all the women were gorgeous. I'm sure by the end of the show, some "straight" guy was intrigued. So no, liking a girl with something extra doesn't make one gay. But it ain't 100% straight either!

[no1000]

GUYS GUYS please get over this whole am i gay thing, and stop trying to label and class and group people
I'll fill you in on a few facts, first off when i was pre-op i dressed acted and thought like a girl so even tho i had a penis at the time i was a girl so any guy that dated me at the time was in realitly dating a woman
Know the whole sex thing agian stop labeling sex is a way to pleasure each other is it not? and at that time between my legs was a penis so my boyfriends would play with it not because they were gay but to pleasure me
So just go out and have fun and stop worring about the gay thing
:eek::eek: Jerseygirl Jen

+1 Coming from a straight guy here.

[smc]

GUYS GUYS please get over this whole am i gay thing, and stop trying to label and class and group people
I'll fill you in on a few facts, first off when i was pre-op i dressed acted and thought like a girl so even tho i had a penis at the time i was a girl so any guy that dated me at the time was in realitly dating a woman
Know the whole sex thing agian stop labeling sex is a way to pleasure each other is it not? and at that time between my legs was a penis so my boyfriends would play with it not because they were gay but to pleasure me
So just go out and have fun and stop worring about the gay thing
:eek::eek: Jerseygirl Jen

Thank you, Jen.

Why people care what others "classify" them as is and always has been beyond my comprehension.

[mr. macaque]

Yes. We're all in denial.

[smc]

Yes. We're all in denial.

Speak for yourself. I'm not in denial of anything. I like women, and I especially like women with cocks. I like sucking them. I like feeling them in my ass. I like women without cocks, too.

Some people may call that "gay." I don't give a flying fuck what they think, or what they call me.

The only thing about which I am denying is that your post has anything to do with me. :yes:

[mr. macaque]

Speak for yourself. I'm not in denial of anything. I like women, and I especially like women with cocks. I like sucking them. I like feeling them in my ass. I like women without cocks, too.

Some people may call that "gay." I don't give a flying fuck what they think, or what they call me.

The only thing about which I am denying is that your post has anything to do with me. :yes:

Instead of fighting, you should embrace your gayness. Or least recognize that you're slightly gay. I don't mean that in derogatory way - there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. But I'm surprised people around here don't often label themselves gay when it fits better than almost any other label.

[mr. macaque]

Or maybe bisexual. Or quasi-bisexual?

[smc]

Instead of fighting, you should embrace your gayness. Or least recognize that you're slightly gay. I don't mean that in derogatory way - there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. But I'm surprised people around here don't often label themselves gay when it fits better than almost any other label.

Or maybe bisexual. Or quasi-bisexual?

"Fighting"? What in my post suggests to you that I am "fighting." You really don't get it. It's not that I think there's anything "wrong with homosexuality." It's not whether I may be "slightly gay." It's as I wrote: I don't give a flying fuck what anyone else think is the best label for me. I reject labels and labeling.

So, keep it to yourself. If it makes you feel better to label yourself, more power to you. If you feel the need to label me -- for whatever reason, I cannot possibly imagine -- go ahead. I don't care. Do you get it? I don't care what you or anyone else thinks is the appropriate label for me. It's nothing personal against you. It's simply that it has no meaning for me, and no importance. I JUST DON'T CARE.

[no1000]

Instead of fighting, you should embrace your gayness. Or least recognize that you're slightly gay. I don't mean that in derogatory way - there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. But I'm surprised people around here don't often label themselves gay when it fits better than almost any other label.

Dude....who are you to come in here and start labeling people you've never met in person? I am also with smc on this. I love women cock but NEVER have I felt gay. I don't label myself anything but if you need to label me, I would say bi is more of where I stand. I would never do anything with a person who looks/acts like a guy. Only girls for me.

[LibertyHarkness]

me i am just a faggot with a pair of tits :) lol

no seriously whats it matter what way your gate swings ... i beleive though if we have to be serious and conform to a label then the TS bubble sits slap bang in the middle of Straight and Homosexual = Bisexual ..

The reality is a cock is a cock, all TS were born Male so that fact cant be taken away ... so on that basis Biswxual sits well ... and Cock on Cock is a homosexual sexual act .. Sucking a Cock is a Homosexual Act .. now as TS are not looking like men, behaving like men generally but instead female ..so on that basis Its the femle bit tehy like to allow them to enjoy the cock part ..thus making it bisexual ..

Wow ok still reading now personally i couldnt give a shit about what sexuality someone sites at .. i like Gay men, straight men, bi men ..as they aer all just men to me ..as long as they like me thats all i care about :)


PS just for the record I love watching Gay porn :)

Just my thoughts there we have it ...... just enjoy and dont limit yourself to silly little labels that society tries to stick on us from ridiculous outdated regligous books writeen thousand years ago + ... you are what you , you enjoy what you enjoy and as long as your not hurting anyone or yourself just live and have fun .

[wxhluyp]

What is sexually stimulating doesn't conform to culturally normalized notions such as orientation and gender.

[smc]

What is sexually stimulating doesn't conform to culturally normalized notions such as orientation and gender.

Such generalization. Of course, what is sexually stimulating to a particular individual may, in fact, conform precisely to "culturally normalized notions such as orientation and gender." And those "normalized notions" may shift from one culture to another.

As I have posted before:

"All generalizations are false, including this one." -- Mark Twain

"All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." -- Alexandre Dumas P?re

[wxhluyp]

what is sexually stimulating to a particular individual may, in fact, conform precisely to "culturally normalized notions such as orientation and gender."

I wouldn't say they conform "precisely". The individuality and the notions are also generalizations

[randolph]

Such generalization. Of course, what is sexually stimulating to a particular individual may, in fact, conform precisely to "culturally normalized notions such as orientation and gender." And those "normalized notions" may shift from one culture to another.

As I have posted before:

"All generalizations are false, including this one." -- Mark Twain

"All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." -- Alexandre Dumas P?re

All hard shemale cocks are good! :lol:

[smc]

I wouldn't say they conform "precisely". The individuality and the notions are also generalizations

Or they may. That's the point of calling out a generalization.

[wxhluyp]

Or they may. That's the point of calling out a generalization.

They can't! There is no point where there is absolute conformity.

[smc]

They can't! There is no point where there is absolute conformity.

You really don't get it.

They may generally conform to the precise generalizations that you continue to make.

The point is: enough already with the useless generalizations!

[ila]

They can't! There is no point where there is absolute conformity.

WTF???!!!:confused:

[wxhluyp]

You really don't get it.

They may generally conform to the precise generalizations that you continue to make.

The point is: enough already with the useless generalizations!

You claim "I don't get it" and then you mirror my point in that there are no absolutes.

[streetglide]

or better yet, are WE gay?

ok so for about a year now i've been extremely turned on by shemales (obviously or i wouldn't be here right now)... but i'm also very attracted to women. i really like the thought of a hard cock and large balls on a very feminine type of girl, it really turns me on. but i am confused because i see these shemales as girls, even though they have dicks. i am also very opposed to the idea of a dick in my ass, i really think it's sick and would never do it, but i would love to stick mine in a shemale. the thought of calling myself "bisexual" or gay annoys me because i don't like men at all. i don't have fantasies about wearing wemon's clothing or anything like that.. the only doubt about myself i have is my love for a women with a long hard cock. i can't talk about this to anyone personally becuase they will think i'm gay, and everyone close to me is opposed to gay things.. especially my friends, because i'm still in high school, and let's just say i'm probably younger than everyone here.

so i was wondering if anyone has similar feelings, or can give me some advice?

I just read something that caught my attention! I always wondered why so many Japanese shemales are castrated. According to this article a Japanese court decided that sex between a man and a castrated man is not considered same sex, ie, not homesexual!
I've had guys try this theory on myself before. I lost my testicles in an accident and in searching for information ran across shemales...and then castrated shemales. I was attracted quite simply because we have the same equipment...or lack of it!
I'm straight or consider myself straight....but now what's straight or gay? Does this mean I can only have straight sex with someone who HAS testicles?
How about if I just go on about my business and live like I always have!

[curiosity69]

This thread just confirmed a lot of what I was already thinking. I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin so I hadn't worried much about labelling what I am, but it's nice to know there are so many other people out there who feel like I do.

Thanks for sharing everyone.

[JodieTs]

I think that if a man plays with a penis,
then he is definitely a latent homosexual;
especially so, ...if it's his own penis.

Sorry guys, but that is a medically proven FACT.

[ila]

I think that if a man plays with a penis,
then he is definitely a latent homosexual;
especially so, ...if it's his own penis.

Sorry guys, but that is a medically proven FACT.

That would make women lesbians if they play with their own naughty bits. :lol:

[no1000]

I think that if a man plays with a penis,
then he is definitely a latent homosexual;
especially so, ...if it's his own penis.

Sorry guys, but that is a medically proven FACT.

This was pretty funny because I know you are not serious. :lol:

[smc]

This was pretty funny because I know you are not serious. :lol:

I would be very careful with what you presume to be serious and unserious coming from Jodie, lest her alter ego get you! ;)

[JodieTs]

That would make women lesbians if they play with their own naughty bits. :lol:
Yep.
That's the way it works. :yes:

[caminds]

I don't think there is an objective definition.

Some in this thread say that taking it in the shitter from a TS is gay, but technically simply looking at a large TS cock and getting aroused it by or simply admiring the aesthetics of it is gay, since it's a male organ and in some way representative of gayness. IMO it's silly to say that some acts are more gay than others, it's our Western pop culture that links anal sex to homosexuality.

That said, I think liking TS' is a shade of grey. Most who do simply like the mixture of a cock and a female body shape/figure, so it's not exclusively gay or straight.

[FlacoPro]

I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on. They're just too hot and have way much more sex appeal than biological women. In the near future they're going to be a lot of women complaining that their man left them for a T-girl. Or that they found T-girl porn on their computer. Times are changing.

[smc]

I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on. They're just too hot and have way much more sex appeal than biological women. In the near future they're going to be a lot of women complaining that their man left them for a T-girl. Or that they found T-girl porn on their computer. Times are changing.

Every transwoman I know just wants to be thought of as part of the crowd. A statement like this just makes no sense whatsoever. Your view suggests the evolution of our species in a direction that defies logic.

[FlacoPro]

Every transwoman I know just wants to be thought of as part of the crowd. A statement like this just makes no sense whatsoever. Your view suggests the evolution of our species in a direction that defies logic.

Just because one wants to be a part of the crowd does not make them part of the crowd. Yes, Transwomen are women but they're not born women so they'll always be different from biological women. I hope that doesn't come out offensive to some, but that's how it is. It doesn't mean a transwoman can't live her life to the fullest, but society will always judge T girls differently from Genetic girls.

In simple terms, more people are likely to call a woman with a penis derogatory names rather than a woman. Society doesn't just allow transwomen to be part of the "Crowd", even though they want to be (And Should).

[smc]

Just because one wants to be a part of the crowd does not make them part of the crowd. Yes, Transwomen are women but they're not born women so they'll always be different from biological women. I hope that doesn't come out offensive to some, but that's how it is. It doesn't mean a transwoman can't live her life to the fullest, but society will always judge T girls differently from Genetic girls.

In simple terms, more people are likely to call a woman with a penis derogatory names rather than a woman. Society doesn't just allow transwomen to be part of the "Crowd", even though they want to be (And Should).

1. My response to you was not about the crowd issue out of context, but in your context of stating "I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on." From the perspective of people who want to be "part of the crowd," it seems to me such a statement flies in the face of reason. I asked a transwoman I know about your statement last night. She said, "I want to be no more or less popular than any other segment of the population." I know what she means.

2. You write of transwomen: "... they're not born women." That is ungendering. They ARE women who happen to be born in the wrong body. While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive. Read here:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=7311

[FlacoPro]

1. My response to you was not about the crowd issue out of context, but in your context of stating "I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on." From the perspective of people who want to be "part of the crowd," it seems to me such a statement flies in the face of reason. I asked a transwoman I know about your statement last night. She said, "I want to be no more or less popular than any other segment of the population." I know what she means.

2. You write of transwomen: "... they're not born women." That is ungendering. They ARE women who happen to be born in the wrong body. While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive. Read here:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=7311

I'm not going to continue with this argument. I feel like if I say how I feel people are gunna get offended. Well, I guess everyone is free to believe whatever they want. It's a shame though, because I obviously have admiration for Transwomen (I wouldn't be on this forum if that wasn't the case), but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on some things.

[smc]

I'm not going to continue with this argument. I feel like if I say how I feel people are gunna get offended. Well, I guess everyone is free to believe whatever they want. It's a shame though, because I obviously have admiration for Transwomen (I wouldn't be on this forum if that wasn't the case), but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on some things.

Just to reiterate, I wrote about your earlier post: "While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive." The point is that words matter, and in the matter of identity, it is ONLY the self that matters. So, any transwoman that says she is a woman is, in my book, a woman. Only she gets to choose. Only she gets to define herself. Period. End of discussion. :yes:

[FlacoPro]

Just to reiterate, I wrote about your earlier post: "While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive." The point is that words matter, and in the matter of identity, it is ONLY the self that matters. So, any transwoman that says she is a woman is, in my book, a woman. Only she gets to choose. Only she gets to define herself. Period. End of discussion. :yes:

I disagree but you've defended your point well enough. :respect:

[smc]

I disagree but you've defended your point well enough. :respect:

I appreciate the respect emoticon, but I must ask for clarification. You disagree with self-determination of one's identity? Or do I misunderstand you? Because if you do disagree with self-determination, I wonder whether you are prepared to tell any of our transmembers who say they are women that you know better.

And that's been my point all along ...

[randolph]

I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on. They're just too hot and have way much more sex appeal than biological women. In the near future they're going to be a lot of women complaining that their man left them for a T-girl. Or that they found T-girl porn on their computer. Times are changing.

Yes, the popularity of shemale porn is exploding. Many of the major porn producers are looking into producing shemale porn. Does that transfer into real life situations? Are lots of men dating and/or marrying transsexuals as a result of viewing shemale porn? Personally, I doubt it, look at TSJodie's comments.
Also, I do think most transsexuals want to be "part of the crowd". Being "different" in this society is dangerous as Transjen and other transsexuals can testify. Many transsexuals even the hot shemales ultimately want a vagina and are willing to pay a lot of money for it.
For me shemale porn is a fantasy far from reality.

[clt ts lover]

nice to know im not alone....i consider myself straight and am very masculine but there is something about a beautiful shemale that turns me on very much.my friends would never understand and i have no one to talk to about it

[transjen]

Here we go agian trying to put everyone in groups while looking at everyone in black and white
I think this whole problem starts with boys at an early age because if you ask most boys around seven they all think the male gender is the top of the ladder and the female gender is a rung below the male and this thinking stays with em

So when they see another male who becomes female they are shocked and really can't accept it and so appauled are they that they put us under the natal females and some even class us as other giving all these BS reasons why we are not male or female
And even so called educated people like Doctors and lawyers judges have this belief
So in the outside world i do my best to be just one of the girls which is all i ever wanted to be to start with
:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

Perhaps this video will help you decide if you are gay for liking shemales. :lol:

http://www.vimeo.com/4158349

Be sure to watch "How to seduce a Tgirl" on the same site!

[smc]

Perhaps this video will help you decide if you are gay for liking shemales. :lol:

http://www.vimeo.com/4158349

I love it: "You're so gay, George Michael uses YOUR bathroom to pick up guys." :lol:

If liking Riftgirl, who does this video, means I'm gay, then I embrace that label. Because I just don't give a flying fuck about labels.

Be sure to watch "How to seduce a Tgirl" on the same site!

Wonderful! Should be required viewing for all "admirers."

[Garytheanimal]

I've come in on this late but for my two pennies worth my personal outlook is if I see someone I find attractive then I find them attractive and that's it, I don't need to pigeon hole, categorise or label them, and up to now straight looking guys are the only thing that hasn't rocked my boat.

------ merged posts --------

Ah shit! Just realised I labelled a group in my last post, didn't mean to be hypocritical I just didn't know how else to put it.

I find different people attractive for different reasons if that makes sense? Women for long term relationships, lb's etc for fun and tv's for fantasies when I should be working, no its not general knowledge but neither am I ashamed.

[ila]

Ah shit! Just realised I labelled a group in my last post, didn't mean to be hypocritical I just didn't know how else to put it.

I find different people attractive for different reasons if that makes sense? Women for long term relationships, lb's etc for fun and tv's for fantasies when I should be working, no its not general knowledge but neither am I ashamed.

I'm sure that you will find that ladyboys consider themselves to be women. I'm also sure that you will find that the majority of transgender women are looking for a long term relationship.

[smc]

Ah shit! Just realised I labelled a group in my last post, didn't mean to be hypocritical I just didn't know how else to put it.

I find different people attractive for different reasons if that makes sense? Women for long term relationships, lb's etc for fun and tv's for fantasies when I should be working, no its not general knowledge but neither am I ashamed.

I'm sure that you will find that ladyboys consider themselves to be women. I'm also sure that you will find that the majority of transgender women are looking for a long term relationship.

And the reason, as ila knows, is that they ARE women.:yes:

[transjen]

Now a lot of Tgirls are called chicks with dicks and just think about it chicks with dicks the name implies a girl with a dick now they are not called guys with tits and the reason is guys with tits implies a guy with tits and if that is what you like then you may be gay

:) Jerseygirl Jen

[Cyborg]

Now a lot of Tgirls are called chicks with dicks and just think about it chicks with dicks the name implies a girl with a dick now they are not called guys with tits and the reason is guys with tits implies a guy with tits and if that is what you like then you may be gay

:) Jerseygirl Jen

Nice explanation. :lol:

[jim4o]

no they are girls :)

[newboi]

Now a lot of Tgirls are called chicks with dicks and just think about it chicks with dicks the name implies a girl with a dick now they are not called guys with tits and the reason is guys with tits implies a guy with tits and if that is what you like then you may be gay

:) Jerseygirl Jen

Great explanation from a great girl:):):)

[Gray]

Though I can't imagine tranny chasers being absolutely gay, many do exhibit
latent homosexual tendencies inasmuch as they harbour a deep attraction to the masculine as much as (or more than) the feminine far side of the tranny spectrum in terms of both preferred behavioural and appearance tranny proclivities.

In other words, these men are the types that like crossdressers the best, crave cocksucking, as well as have a fixation with tranny-on-male sex, opting not to take a dominant male role.

Thankfully, I'm not one of these men.

[smc]

Though I can't imagine tranny chasers being absolutely gay, many do exhibit
latent homosexual tendencies inasmuch as they harbour a deep attraction to the masculine as much as (or more than) the feminine far side of the tranny spectrum in terms of both preferred behavioural and appearance tranny proclivities.

In other words, these men are the types that like crossdressers the best, crave cocksucking, as well as have a fixation with tranny-on-male sex, opting not to take a dominant male role.

Thankfully, I'm not one of these men.

Now that (the part I've put in boldface above) reads like a subtle "dis."

[Enoch Root]

Though I can't imagine tranny chasers being absolutely gay, many do exhibit
latent homosexual tendencies inasmuch as they harbour a deep attraction to the masculine as much as (or more than) the feminine far side of the tranny spectrum in terms of both preferred behavioural and appearance tranny proclivities.

In other words, these men are the types that like crossdressers the best, crave cocksucking, as well as have a fixation with tranny-on-male sex, opting not to take a dominant male role.

Thankfully, I'm not one of these men.

Giant eyeroll.

If you are attracted to transwomen, ie women with cocks, were you to further develop a desire to pleasure such women orally (such is the case with me) you are no more gay than you were when you realized you were attracted to transwomen.

[FlacoPro]

Though I can't imagine tranny chasers being absolutely gay, many do exhibit
latent homosexual tendencies inasmuch as they harbour a deep attraction to the masculine as much as (or more than) the feminine far side of the tranny spectrum in terms of both preferred behavioural and appearance tranny proclivities.

In other words, these men are the types that like crossdressers the best, crave cocksucking, as well as have a fixation with tranny-on-male sex, opting not to take a dominant male role.

Thankfully, I'm not one of these men.

I'm one of the men who like this. I don't think I'm gay for enjoying tranny on male sex, but I know for sure I'm definitely NOT straight. I'm probably somewhere in between. However, I'm not attracted to males in anyway. I'm attracted to females, and me watching tranny porn has not affected my sex life with any of my ex girlfriends. In fact my sex life is great because I'm usually more horny in general. Pussy's great, but a woman with extra is amazing. There is a fantasy aspect to it that drives me (And MANY others) crazy.

There are plenty of guys out there who like it when a woman is in charge, and some even fantasize about girls using strap-ons on them. There are similarities between a girl using a strap-on to pleasure her man and a girl with the real thing pleasuring her man. Their are many different opinions about this kind of sex, some may say it's gay or whatever. Personally, it turns me on so I don't give a crap what anyone says. :)

[kkq]

Hi, one of my first posts here. I am in a relationship with lovely Tgirl an this reading of so many posts on this subject has helped me out so much. We have been together on an off for a year now but the last three months, I have been living with her.

The hardest part for me was thinking I was gay an that my family will freak out. I am not a bottom an sex for me is only a small part of the equation. I just really like my girl an we have such good fun together here in Thailand.

I do not like guys that are buffed an a set of hairy legs an arse, well makes me not turned on at all. I like sucking only because it pleases her but I can make her come very easy via normal sex. First time that happened I was amazed that it can happen!

So am I gay or what? I loved pussy for the last 25 years but now I cannot get hard with a woman. So, gay or whatever you want to call us all, I can never recall being looked after so well, having a person who has a caring ear an most of all, a girly nature more so then the average woman, yet the understanding of that of your best mate. What else can I/we ask for.


The girl I am with at the moment, I think of her totally as a woman. It is very hard what I am trying to say but I really hope you can understand what I mean. Best friend, lover an a lovely lady. I wish I could explain better what I feel but those whom have or are in a relationship, will understand what I mean. I do not want to be at anyway or form, disrespectful to anyone on this forum.

[LarryCroft]

"Does liking shemales make you gay? "

This is a question that comes to my mind a lot. A know that the majority of society would answer, "Yes", which I think is ridiculous.

I am attracted to feminine physical features (curvy body, sexy hips, bosom, etc), and I could look a the female form (and frequently do) all day long and never grow tired. I also enjoy all manner of erotic forms of female likes, like robot women, alien women, sexy demonic women with wings and red skin, blue-skinned women with horns on their heads and hooves for feat, etc. To me, shemales are a form of "exotic" fantasy women, that just happen to real! :)

Also, when I think about making love with a woman, I want the whole package; eyes, lips, arms, hands, hair, eyes, legs, feet, butt, back, eyes (I really like eyes) and the genitalia is just a small part of the whole package. To me, the genitals are just part of the love-making process, so whether my partner has a vagina or penis does not really matter to me.

Most of society would just focus on the genitals and claim that, if you want to make love to a partner with a penis, then you are gay (from a male point of view), regardless of what the rest of them look like. This means that if a man were to make love with a woman that, other than her genitals, looked like a guy, that would still be heterosexual? I would rather have the opposite.

[E24th]

I love dicks, dicks are the greatest thing in the world, especially if they're on a cute boy or a gorgeous shemale.

Question, what would someone call me? I consider myself a homosexual, but I adore girly femmy sissy boys especially, and of course I consider shemales to be utterly gorgeous and desirable. With a few exceptions, I am not all that interested at all in regular men or masculinity, although I know for sure that I could never date a ciswoman, pussy turns me off faster than anything else (to those with pussies, please don't think I'm trying to devalue you! I simply would only be interested in a platonic relationship with someone with a vagina).

I almost find it funny that of all the things that turn me off, it's the vagina of a fellow human being, rather than all the other stuff which my kinks involve. Anyways...

I will be completely honest, it disappoints me that there aren't more gay guys within the sphere of transfans. I certainly know I'm not straight, and at my most heterosexual, I'd be called probably homoflexible, but even that goes a bit far. I'm not surprised or upset that most transfans consider themselves straight, more that there's the idea that shemales are a straight venture, which isn't always the case. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they automatically slobber over every guy in sight, and it doesn't necessarily mean that they even always like masculinity. For me, it's because I love boys, plain and simple. I like them soft, I like them shy, I like them feminine, but I also like them, in the end, as far as their actual parts go, male. Can I still be considered a transfan?

Surely I can't be the only self-identified gay guy on here?

[smc]

I love dicks, dicks are the greatest thing in the world, especially if they're on a cute boy or a gorgeous shemale.

Question, what would someone call me? I consider myself a homosexual, but I adore girly femmy sissy boys especially, and of course I consider shemales to be utterly gorgeous and desirable. With a few exceptions, I am not all that interested at all in regular men or masculinity, although I know for sure that I could never date a ciswoman, pussy turns me off faster than anything else (to those with pussies, please don't think I'm trying to devalue you! I simply would only be interested in a platonic relationship with someone with a vagina).

I almost find it funny that of all the things that turn me off, it's the vagina of a fellow human being, rather than all the other stuff which my kinks involve. Anyways...

I will be completely honest, it disappoints me that there aren't more gay guys within the sphere of transfans. I certainly know I'm not straight, and at my most heterosexual, I'd be called probably homoflexible, but even that goes a bit far. I'm not surprised or upset that most transfans consider themselves straight, more that there's the idea that shemales are a straight venture, which isn't always the case.

Surely I can't be the only self-identified gay guy on here? Perhaps I should leave.

I suggest you read through this thread. There are two main positions adopted: one is from all the guys who worry that they're gay (guys who I think are wasting their time and valuable brain cells on such a thing), and the other from those of us who don't give a shit about labels.

Oddly enough, the label you give yourself seems to matter enough that you would leave if there aren't others who similarly label themselves. That seems, to be perfectly frank, rather ridiculous. Just be yourself and enjoy the site.

[Enoch Root]

I love dicks, dicks are the greatest thing in the world, especially if they're on a cute boy or a gorgeous shemale.

Especially? There are other possibilities?! Whole new sexual arenas?

[E24th]

I suggest you read through this thread. There are two main positions adopted: one is from all the guys who worry that they're gay (guys who I think are wasting their time and valuable brain cells on such a thing), and the other from those of us who don't give a shit about labels.

Oddly enough, the label you give yourself seems to matter enough that you would leave if there aren't others who similarly label themselves. That seems, to be perfectly frank, rather ridiculous. Just be yourself and enjoy the site.

No, I understand (in fact I tried editing my post after I posted that to remove that "Perhaps I should leave" bit because I knew it was wrong to actually suggest something based on something so silly as labels), and that's something I've been trying to work on is just trying to forget myself and my own labels, it's just that me accepting myself as such was such a powerful, shaping event in my life. Really, my disappointment comes mostly from how I find myself all but alone as a gay guy who appreciates femboys, you'd... well, I suppose you wouldn't be surprised by it, but there really are so few gay guys into shemales and crossdressers. Really, it's true that crossdressers are my bread and butter when it comes to sexual fantasies, and not necessarily shemales first and foremost, but I really appreciate femininity and I love femininity... I just don't care for ciswomen or post-op transsexuals in that way.

I simply wish I saw others thinking the same, yet also being able to appreciate things like soft-featured boys and submissive, cute, non-masculine males in general. Certainly I can't demand that others do, and I get that most on here aren't gay.


Especially? There are other possibilities?! Whole new sexual arenas?

I simply mean soft, feminine guys as opposed to, for example, bears, or even more masculine men in general.

[Enoch Root]

it's just that me accepting myself as such was such a powerful, shaping event in my life.

Yup. I hit 18 and everything began to change. I identified as bisexual at that point. And becoming aware of this new thing inside me made me feel strong.

I'm over that now for the most part, the labelling. I'll label myself "queer" at times though. But I left the label bisexual and it was no big deal and at some point I realized I was less interested in men than I was in cock and I had always been aware about my very strong preference for women. And one day I bumped into transporn.

I simply mean soft, feminine guys as opposed to, for example, bears, or even more masculine men in general.

Agreed. Jonathan Frakes looks awesome in a beard though.

O but to have a feminine boy! I'd chain him to the bed.

[E24th]

Ahhhh. I understand, I totally see how shemales would be attractive towards heterosexuals more than homosexuals. I understand, too, that the femininity I love in shemales and crossdressers would, to some people, qualify me as bisexual. I simply know that I am not.

Really, I just wish I knew other guys with the same desires who self-identified the same way, if only because that part of my identity is so strong. I've been told that I "act straight," which, though it is a despicable term, basically tends to mean that I don't have the stereotypical features of a homosexual. I'm not "limp-wristed," I'm not "prancing," I'm not a drama queen, none of that (I have yet to see more than maybe three people in my entire life who fit that gay stereotype). But I am gay. I just... love really girly guys. I mean guys in general, but softer guys especially, they're all I think about sometimes...

[Enoch Root]

Ahhhh. I understand, I totally see how shemales would be attractive towards heterosexuals more than homosexuals. I understand, too, that the femininity I love in shemales and crossdressers would, to some people, qualify me as bisexual. I simply know that I am not.

Really, I just wish I knew other guys with the same desires who self-identified the same way, if only because that part of my identity is so strong. I've been told that I "act straight," which, though it is a despicable term, basically tends to mean that I don't have the stereotypical features of a homosexual. I'm not "limp-wristed," I'm not "prancing," I'm not a drama queen, none of that (I have yet to see more than maybe three people in my entire life who fit that gay stereotype). But I am gay. I just... love really girly guys. I mean guys in general, but softer guys especially, they're all I think about sometimes...

And I love girly guys as well but have seen very very few of them in my life. (Damn you E24th, now I want a boy badly.) As for stereotypes: I learned a new one when I lived in the US. A stereotype about Puertoricans I had never before had any inkling of. It goes something like this, "You will never see men and women walking hand in hand in PR because there's nothing but gay guys there." I have yet to see any evidence of this. See where I'm going with this?

How are transwomen attractive to homosexuals? And you did not explain what you meant that you see how transwomen are more attractive to heterosexuals than homosexuals.

[E24th]

How are transwomen attractive to homosexuals? And you did not explain what you meant that you see how transwomen are more attractive to heterosexuals than homosexuals.

Transvestites (femboys) attract ME at least (I can't speak for other homosexuals) because they have the femininity I utterly love, along with the parts which attract me. I am NOT, however, looking for a relationship with an actual transsexual. Transsexuals are women, and as much as I love femininity, I don't love females that way. Really, what -I- personally think would suit me is to look for a boy willing and able to crossdress for me at least sometimes, it seems like it would be a good balance.

I actually say that transwomen would be more attractive to heterosexuals based mostly on experience, and from that I've learned that yes, indeed it is the gender, not necessarily the sex, which can be the attracting factor.

[baasje43]

(...) Transsexuals are women, (...)

That's how I feel about.
So I am not gay.

[E24th]

I can only speak for myself, and this is something I have given a lot of thought to. I consider myself a gay male, I date men, I love men. I accidentily came across the trans-world and discovered I was insanely attracted to the girls I saw. The wonderful thing about tgirls, is that they are neither women nor men. They are something else entirely. Having said that, perhaps we are a third sexuality all our own, neither gay or straight. No matter what we're called, I love transgirls and won't stop :-)

Despite the part about tgirls not being women or men (I consider them women, although a special, more appreciable kind of woman), it's so good to see I'm not alone on this one! Boy that does actually make me feel a lot better, I'm not a total weirdo!

[linflo]

Personally I think does it really matter?

Everyone is so obssessed with labels.

I am a huge shemale admirer (have been for 10 years now when i first saw christy mcnicole). Like a lot of guys I don't find guys attractive, I still like females but really prefer shemales or even convincing TV's if they remain in role.
Shemales are generally much more feminine that real girls nowadays, and I must admit I also love cock both sucking and taking. But would never consider it with a guy.

I love being with femine pretty ladies but having the experience of something more than a female can give me - it's basically the best of both worlds.
I'm not phased by genetailia, it's about the person, and if i like the person i'll do anything with them which is fun for both.

I don't care what people percieve me as being I don't call myself anything - but I would think that the girls on here would not consider guys like me as being gay because they feel and are beautiful women, who should be repected and treated in that manner.
:)

[smc]

Perhaps if some of the posters who insist on keeping it alive with "serious" posts are forced, in some way, to confront sexually the very thing they profess not to be, and then we have a warning pop up that this will happen if you post seriously in this thread?

My model for this is something in Dan Savage's latest "Savage Love" column, which runs in alternative newsweeklies across the United States:

THE CHOICER CHALLENGE: Last week, the leader of British Columbia's Conservative Party, John Cummins, told a radio interviewer that gay people shouldn't be covered by the BC Human Rights Act because being gay is "a conscious choice."

Like truthers (9/11 was an inside job!), birthers (Barack Obama was born in Kenya!), and deathers (Osama bin Laden is alive and well and living in West Hollywood!), choicers would appear to be just another group of deranged conspiracy theorists who can't be dissuaded by science or evidence or facts. And John Cummins isn't the only choicer out there. We have lots of choicers right here in the United States (Tony Perkins, Rick Santorum, "Stephen Colbert," et al.).

But what if the choicers are right? What if being gay is something people consciously choose? Gee, if only there were a way for choicers to prove that they're right and everyone else is wrong... actually, there is a way for choicers to prove that they're right!

I hereby publicly invite—I publicly challenge—John Cummins to prove that being gay is a choice by choosing it himself.

Suck my dick, John.

I'm completely serious about this, John. You're not my type—you're about as far from my type as a human being without a vagina gets—but I have just as much interest as you do in seeing this gay-is-a-choice argument resolved once and for all. You name the time and the place, John, and I'll show up with my dick and a camera crew. Then you can show the world how it's done. You can demonstrate how this "conscious choice" is made. You can flip the switch, John, make the choice, then sink to your bony old knees and suck my dick. And after you've swallowed my load, John, we'll upload the video to the internet and you'll be a hero to other choicers everywhere.

It's time to put your mouth where your mouth is, John. If being gay is a choice, choose it. Show us how it's done.

Suck my dick.

Imagine it: you post in this thread one of those fretting, sweating-it-out, "am I gay, oh my god?" screeds, and a big, hairy gay bear comes to your house and fucks the living daylights out of you!

You'll either never dare post again in this thread, or you'll love it and the thread will no longer be relevant to you.

I think that might work better than the stake through the heart I mentioned earlier.

[Enoch Root]

Imagine it: you post in this thread one of those fretting, sweating-it-out, "am I gay, oh my god?" screeds, and a big, hairy gay bear comes to your house and fucks the living daylights out of you!

I laughed silently at this. My laughter got stuck in my throat yet I felt my chest swell.

This is a good plan smc. You and the rest of the moderators should look into putting it in place. You should send a soft boy my way though. I'm not one for bears.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Perhaps if some of the posters who insist on keeping it alive with "serious" posts are forced, in some way, to confront sexually the very thing they profess not to be, and then we have a warning pop up that this will happen if you post seriously in this thread?

My model for this is something in Dan Savage's latest "Savage Love" column, which runs in alternative newsweeklies across the United States:

THE CHOICER CHALLENGE: Last week, the leader of British Columbia's Conservative Party, John Cummins, told a radio interviewer that gay people shouldn't be covered by the BC Human Rights Act because being gay is "a conscious choice."

Like truthers (9/11 was an inside job!), birthers (Barack Obama was born in Kenya!), and deathers (Osama bin Laden is alive and well and living in West Hollywood!), choicers would appear to be just another group of deranged conspiracy theorists who can't be dissuaded by science or evidence or facts. And John Cummins isn't the only choicer out there. We have lots of choicers right here in the United States (Tony Perkins, Rick Santorum, "Stephen Colbert," et al.).

But what if the choicers are right? What if being gay is something people consciously choose? Gee, if only there were a way for choicers to prove that they're right and everyone else is wrong... actually, there is a way for choicers to prove that they're right!

I hereby publicly invite?I publicly challenge?John Cummins to prove that being gay is a choice by choosing it himself.

Suck my dick, John.

I'm completely serious about this, John. You're not my type?you're about as far from my type as a human being without a vagina gets?but I have just as much interest as you do in seeing this gay-is-a-choice argument resolved once and for all. You name the time and the place, John, and I'll show up with my dick and a camera crew. Then you can show the world how it's done. You can demonstrate how this "conscious choice" is made. You can flip the switch, John, make the choice, then sink to your bony old knees and suck my dick. And after you've swallowed my load, John, we'll upload the video to the internet and you'll be a hero to other choicers everywhere.

It's time to put your mouth where your mouth is, John. If being gay is a choice, choose it. Show us how it's done.

Suck my dick.

Imagine it: you post in this thread one of those fretting, sweating-it-out, "am I gay, oh my god?" screeds, and a big, hairy gay bear comes to your house and fucks the living daylights out of you!

You'll either never dare post again in this thread, or you'll love it and the thread will no longer be relevant to you.

I think that might work better than the stake through the heart I mentioned earlier.

Dan Savage is playing a dangeous game there... We all know a lot of these right wing homophobes turn out to total closet cases, Dan may may think he's quite safe with no chance og his offer being taken up, but he may well end up with John Cummins' crusty old lip wrapped around his wang. He will probly be ok tho, as he isn't a barely legal intern.

P.S. You are STILL all a bunch of fags.

[smc]

I laughed silently at this. My laughter got stuck in my throat yet I felt my chest swell.

This is a good plan smc. You and the rest of the moderators should look into putting it in place. You should send a soft boy my way though. I'm not one for bears.

You are not the target of my plan. But if you were, why would I send you what you want? :lol:

Dan Savage is playing a dangeous game there... We all know a lot of these right wing homophobes turn out to total closet cases, Dan may may think he's quite safe with no chance og his offer being taken up, but he may well end up with John Cummins' crusty old lip wrapped around his wang. He will probly be ok tho, as he isn't a barely legal intern.

P.S. You are STILL all a bunch of fags.

Anna, how exactly do you know that John Cummins' lips are "crusty" -- because from pictures one could only surmise that? ;)

[Enoch Root]

You are not the target of my plan. But if you were, why would I send you what you want? :lol:

Because--to use Anna's word--I know I'm a fag.

[smc]

Because--to use Anna's word--I know I'm a fag.

I think you're in the wrong thread. The thread for getting what you like because you admit to what you like is ... FUCK, it's nearly every other thread on this site!

[10eazye]

I think liking shemales makes you a pansexual.
Google pansexuality if you need more info.

Basically a pansexual is someone who doesn't care about biological sex when determining if a person is attractive.

[transjen]

To all you guys asking if you are gay if you like shemales
I have to ask you this important question, why do you care what i or anyone else on this forum think?
You are asking a question that only you can answer
Forget what others think or say the only person's opion you should care about is your own
Opions are like butt holes everyone has one but in the end the only one you should clean is your own
So stop caring what others think and think for yourself if you like shemales then go for it and enjoy
:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

[JodieTs]

Does liking shemales make you gay?

Q.
I am a transsexual woman.
I am sexually attracted to other transsexual women.
Does this make me gay?

A.
Obviously, yes it does.


The end.

[kkq]

This will not go anyway. People are not secure in there own thoughts an want others to say if you are gay or not. The thread should read, "I do not give a flap if I am gay or not if I like shemales, as we are talking about people, not a object!"

Last night I was in a market with my long term girl. I had two young Thai school girls whisper,"katoey!" as we walked past. Only the Thai's can tell she is a a Ladyboy. I stopped an spoke to the young girls an said in Thai,"if this is your older sister you are talking about, do you think you would have hurt her feelings as she has the same feelings as you about talk an rejection." They did not realize this they told me an never see a Ladyboy with a handsome young man.

So what I am trying to say, being gay or whatever, it is a stigma added to a person an if you cannot accept that a person is a person within our own skin an sexual presence, this thread will infact grow.

My parents an family know what I do an who I am with. I have a great income an life but don't go around thinking now if I am gay or not.

We are just "we"... Nothing else, nothing more. Close the thread but peoples insecurity will breath another to life.

[kkq]

Posted on my iPhone so please forgive mistakes.

Now to throw the cat into the pigeon cage; last night my ts girl an three of her very beautiful Ladyboy friends (yes heaven for me), we ended up due to choice of dance music, at a gay club here in Thailand. I live here an we go out all the time together. The other places we go to were very, very quiet but for some reason, this club was going off.*

Now the girls did not really want to go to this club but the need to dance overroad the suggestion to go home early. I asked why they did want to go an the answer was just wait an see for me an that they would look after me. Now, I was the only non Thai in the club, an the girls hovered around me like bees to a honey pot; they dirty danced with me like never before ani was up on the dance floor with all 4 treating me like a personal strip pole.*

Now, i started to notice many men smiling at me, had bar-staff come to my table asking me to join a group of men an then had a bathroom attendant try an follow me into my stall for as he suggested, to hold my dick so it would not get wet.

I told the girls of my adventures an was not turned on at all by this display. We had a very in-depth conversation that concluded with that my ts friends only wanted a straight man to look after them like a woman they were. They said they would not sleep with a "gay" man an gay men would not sleep with them.

So I asked them since I like the extra bit now they have, was I gay? They all came back to me an said I was not gay as I wanted the aspect of a woman an was always straight before meeting them. This went into depth on straight men an sex and all 4 said they would all only be bottoms as being a top turned them right off, not on at all?*

It* went into much more detail then this but that would be another post on dick size an how they hate there cocks.

So in this case, does this turn the tables on us? I believe in my own sexuality like I posted before but this info comes from four of my closest friends. Only a very small cross section but still, I believe them more so them anything else.

[Sebastian Norah]

Loving Tboys isn't necessarily gay.

Emulating them is, on the other hand..
:p

[HC83]

Often thought to myself 'am i gay for liking shemales' but I have no interest in men at all. A cock on a shemale is totally hot. Kimber James is my fav.

[Frozen_Warnings]

If a gay dude watches tranny porn would that make him straight?

[JodieTs]

If a gay dude watches tranny porn would that make him straight?

Yes totally. :turnon:

[talltijo]

43 yo male here. I have been coming to grips with my love for ts / shemales for over 7 years now. I really don't consider myself gay rather I just view them as sexy girls that just so happen to have a cock.

[jbhk197]

Hi,
I guess I should introduce myself, Ive been roaming around here for the past month or so. Lots of good info here, seems to be nice people around.
I never knew I was into this TS scene thing or whatever its called until a month ago. Had a a few beers in my new neighborhood then next thing you know, im in a ladys flat and you get the rest im sure.
From what I read it seems like a fantasy to some to have this happen, but I honestly never thought about it until it was over and done with. I just rolled with it you know?
I came to realize that I should just chalk it up to another new experience in life. The only problem is I cant stop thinking about it. I know im not gay, I don't even like looking at myself naked in a mirror let alone another guy. But this is all to new to me.
A bit confused here is all. If anyone has any advice I would love to hear it.
thanks

[smc]

Hi,
I guess I should introduce myself, Ive been roaming around here for the past month or so. Lots of good info here, seems to be nice people around.
I never knew I was into this TS scene thing or whatever its called until a month ago. Had a a few beers in my new neighborhood then next thing you know, im in a ladys flat and you get the rest im sure.
From what I read it seems like a fantasy to some to have this happen, but I honestly never thought about it until it was over and done with. I just rolled with it you know?
I came to realize that I should just chalk it up to another new experience in life. The only problem is I cant stop thinking about it. I know im not gay, I don't even like looking at myself naked in a mirror let alone another guy. But this is all to new to me.
A bit confused here is all. If anyone has any advice I would love to hear it.
thanks

It's somewhat unclear as to what "advice" you "would love to hear," but I'm guessing since you posted in this thread you're concerned about the "gay" label.

I suggest you read this thread. Basically, you'll find people are in two main "camps" on this issue.

One camp includes those who are fretting about the "gay" label.

The other camp, in which I proudly include myself, doesn't give a damn what anyone else thinks, and rejects labels.

My advice is that you put yourself in the second camp, right away, and stop fretting. You are what you are, you like what you like, and who the hell cares what anyone else thinks.

[jbhk197]

Thanks SMC,
Im not gay, I know that, I love women as much as my one time thing that just happened. Was definetly a mind blowing experience is all. I cant seem to stop thinking of it and "her"
And other people....could care less. Hong Kong is full of self centered, materialistic followers that seem to have their head up their asses.
just musing/re-living the moment I guess you would call it.
For a one night thing it really had an effect on me is all. I keep going back to the same bar looking for her. Great person in general to be with not to mention the half drunken tumble in the sack that makes me keep looking for her.

[smc]

Thanks SMC,
Im not gay, I know that, I love women as much as my one time thing that just happened. Was definetly a mind blowing experience is all. I cant seem to stop thinking of it and "her"
And other people....could care less. Hong Kong is full of self centered, materialistic followers that seem to have their head up their asses.
just musing/re-living the moment I guess you would call it.
For a one night thing it really had an effect on me is all. I keep going back to the same bar looking for her. Great person in general to be with not to mention the half drunken tumble in the sack that makes me keep looking for her.

Well, let me give you one more piece of advice. Be careful about using "her" -- that is, putting quotation marks around the pronoun. If I were her, I might just be offended.

[JodieTs]

"When you have anal sex, it's gay male sex
but when I have anal sex it's a woman having anal sex,
because...


I have a girly bum" :rolleyes: :lol: :cool:

[ila]

...I have a girly bum" :rolleyes: :lol: :cool:

And I have no doubt that it's a soft yet firm, beautiful, kissable, touchable bum. :yes::)

[JodieTs]

Oh yes
I love my bum.
& thank you. :kiss:

A few months, my surgeon {for FFS} suggested
a body fat repositioning procedure.
A friend underwent this at christmas and the results are stunning.
So when my surgeon started talking in a phone call, admittedly, about all the areas he could work on
when he mentioned my bum
I shrugged as it's exactly the way I like
which is a fluke of genetics with the later influence of estrogen over the last 6 years.

[ganda]

or better yet, are WE gay?

the thought of calling myself "bisexual" or gay annoys me because i don't like men at all.

so i was wondering if anyone has similar feelings, or can give me some advice?

If you only like post-ops and genetic girls you are not gay or bisexual, you are heterosexual.

But if you like pre-ops, and even more so if their having cocks is one of the main attractions, then you are gay or bisexual. It is not heterosexual for a male to find someone's having a cock part of the sexual attraction, whatever you do or don't do with it. (And it is not heterosexual for a male to want to shaft someone who has a cock up the ass!)

The fact that you would never let them top you is irrelevent, as some gays are just tops. And some gays just like feminine men, so just because you don't find masculinity sexually attractive (which I suspect is what you mean by "I don't like men at all") does not make you heterosexual. Nor does the fact that in the past you might have only found genetic girls attractive - sexual preferences can change.

The only way round your dilemma is to reject the gay/ straight distinction altogether, as I'm afraid that it just is a take it or leave it "either or" choice. Or (like me) to accept that you're gay or bisexual - because you cannot like pre-ops and still be purely heterosexual.

[mitchellpoo]

hey everyone im new to this thread and i have been having mixed feelings about my sexuality and i discovered i am attracted to the female features but i love anal sex i was just wondering if i am the only one out there and whether or not i am infact now gay :)
however i also have fantasies about being the girl etc

[smc]

hey everyone im new to this thread and i have been having mixed feelings about my sexuality and i discovered i am attracted to the female features but i love anal sex i was just wondering if i am the only one out there and whether or not i am infact now gay :)
however i also have fantasies about being the girl etc

Read this thread. I hope it will convince you to stop worrying about this "gay" business and never ask the question again, because it could not matter less.

[Melissa Pink]

hey everyone im new to this thread and i have been having mixed feelings about my sexuality and i discovered i am attracted to the female features but i love anal sex i was just wondering if i am the only one out there and whether or not i am infact now gay :)
however i also have fantasies about being the girl etc

This topic has been discussed extensively on this forum. Being attracted to pre-op transgendered ladies does not make you gay. I have many gay male friends and none of them are sexually attracted to me. Gay men are attracted to other men and never women, that is why they are gay and not bisexual.

There isn't anything abnormal about fantasizing about playing the "girl" role during sex. Lot's of "straight" guys enjoy receiving dildoes from GG's wearing a strap on. If you choose to receive a cock from a pre-op t-girl or even another male it's doesn't make you gay especially if you are still attracted to genetic girls. I believe that to a greater or lesser extend all people are bisexual. Do what feels right for you sexually. As long as it pleases you and doesn't harm you or your partner(s) you really can't go wrong.

Relax and have fun!

[darklord666]

That's a difficult question to answer. On the one hand I say no, liking trans-females doesn’t make you gay because they are females in look, feel, behaviour and attitude but on the other hand, I like my trans-females with huge cocks and a decent pair of balls. There's just no real way to separate a liking for 'cock' and 'homosexuality'.

Best not to dwell to much matters of social pigeonholing.

[cumshooter69]

I'd say no, but i'd also say your not straight either. I think Bisexual is the best answer overall. (There are always exceptions)

[brainsexual]

Who cares? Exactly what is "gay" anyway?

[Lord.Steve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A8GvUehq4&feature=youtu.be

Watch this vid

[demarkus]

yo people, just joined, ive asked mysef this so many times, ive asked tgrls ive just fucked in the ass and swallowed their honey. Ask yourself this, how many actively gay guys do you know that fuck Trans? every tgirl ive fucked say they only ever end up fucking "STRAIGHT" men.

I'm not delusional, im clearly not straight, i like cock, i also like tits, pussy and most of all ass (minus the hair) I have never met a guy in real life ive wanted to fuck, i meet girls every day that i would love to fuck, if only some of them had a cock, life would be so good lol.

i dont know where i am on the gay/straght scale, somewhere between the two, dont really care.

i just like to fuck, lick,suck, cum, kiss, wank, whatever, if i fancy it ill fuck it, whatever sex it is, only god can judge me.

[Ekarth]

If two people are involved in a consensual sex then why do we need to label them straight,gay and bi?

Liking shemales doesn't make you gay and if someone thinks it that way he's letting his best years pass by, by not liking the shemales!

[Enoch Root]

If two people are involved in a consensual sex then why do we need to label them straight,gay and bi?

If only everyone took such a position.

[boby6]

first time I saw a shemale that I found attractive i thought it was so gay and didn't want to ever see one again. I was used to seeing basically hairy guys with bad makeup and a wig before which I do not like at all, but when I saw a smooth, skinny ladyboy with fake tits my mind changed. I searched a bit more and have found there are soo many insanely hot ones out there. I, like most guys out there am attracted to the body shape with the curves in the right spots. I do not like guys at all, but if there is a hot girl who just happens to have a cock than that is fine with me. I do not think it makes you gay at all.

[JodieTs]

Does liking Shemale porn make you straight? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A8GvUehq4&feature=youtu.be)

Watch this vid

Thank you so much for posting that vid on the findings on two neuroscientists research on the very core of this dire thread.

Here is a link to their site: billionwickedthoughts.com (http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com)
and their book on Amazon:Amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment (http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment/dp/0525952098/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314207361&sr=8-1)

[uklo]

I haven't read this long thread, I just want to post my opinion on this matter. I actually don't care what other people think, I know that I'm not gay. I like genetic women too, so even in the strictest sense (the "you can't be straight if you like cock"-definition) I'm at least bisexual.

In my eyes a woman is a woman regardless what's between her legs, as long as she acts, looks and feels like a woman. So even if I would liked transgendered girls exclusively, I would still be straight with my definition. You're only gay if you only like men.

[zmurcht]

straight/gay is a very black and white kinda way of looking at things. i dont think it makes a man gay if he likes shemales. but also a lot of gay guys (and, yes, i have a lot of gay friends) like to be very feminine or find that attractive in their partner. but they are still guys and like male features. it all comes down to where you draw the line by yourself in the definition of being straight/gay. there is no "general" conclusion that will work for everyone.

and in the end it actually doesnt matter that much. just do what you like and enjoy. no need to put a label on everything...

[Enoch Root]

Thank you so much for posting that vid on the findings on two neuroscientists research on the very core of this dire thread.

Here is a link to their site: billionwickedthoughts.com (http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com)
and their book on Amazon:Amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment (http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment/dp/0525952098/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314207361&sr=8-1)

That was really interesting. Thanks for the link Jodie.

[patrick10122]

never been attracted to sheep or lambs but to get on topic it depends on your outlook if I was in a relationship with a transsexual I would say either bi or hetero depending on how they would view our relationship

[Pikachu1989]

Thanks for the helpful reinforcement of the use of the term "gay" as an insult, even when meant in jest. Just what we need. :no:

I didn't mean to offend anyone. It's just that the quarterback that played for the packers for 16 years turned his back and played for the arch rival Vikings for 2 years. Anyways if this offended anyone I'm sorry:(. I'll try not to make "Gay" in a offensive way.

[jsoze2288]

there is nothing wrong with being gay. im bi sexual i like women and men a like, we are only humans in the end and have to be comfortable with ourselves and who we are:heart:

[uklo]

Just in case anyone got wrong impression from my previous post, I don't have anything against gay people.:respect:

That said, does liking women regardless of them being transgendered or genetic make me gay? Of course not.

[Pied]

or better yet, are WE gay?

ok so for about a year now i've been extremely turned on by shemales (obviously or i wouldn't be here right now)... but i'm also very attracted to women. i really like the thought of a hard cock and large balls on a very feminine type of girl, it really turns me on. but i am confused because i see these shemales as girls, even though they have dicks. i am also very opposed to the idea of a dick in my ass, i really think it's sick and would never do it, but i would love to stick mine in a shemale. the thought of calling myself "bisexual" or gay annoys me because i don't like men at all. i don't have fantasies about wearing wemon's clothing or anything like that.. the only doubt about myself i have is my love for a women with a long hard cock. i can't talk about this to anyone personally becuase they will think i'm gay, and everyone close to me is opposed to gay things.. especially my friends, because i'm still in high school, and let's just say i'm probably younger than everyone here.

so i was wondering if anyone has similar feelings, or can give me some advice?

I know I am not gay. Yes the sex is gay in nature but it does not make you gay. I worried about this when I first met my GF. Then I tried to do it with a man. Complete turn off. I tried sex with a GG. I was fine with that.
I prefer a TS over a GG. I like the way they think. I enjoy their company.

[TgirlReviews]

Here is my opinion on it for whatever it is worth:)

Gay guys usually like guys, they like the smell of guys, the look of guys, the frame, the voice whatever.... most Gay Guys have no interested in a tgirl as she looks feminine, acts feminine, prefers straight guys and is totally waht they are not interested in. I am not saying all gay guys and I am not saying all tgirls, but I think the majority of Gay Guys want guys that looks like guys and the majority of Tgirls want Guys that act and consider themselves straight.

Remember most tgirls believe they are in the wrong body, they believe in their heart they are girls and that is why they take these steps to begin with, whether you agree with that is up to you but calling a Tgirl a dude or a guy will give you a quick shot to the head I would think.

There is no doubt about it the girl cock is an attraction for those that like tgirls, does that mean your gay? well it means you like cock that is for sure and you also like the feminine form, perhaps if anything you are rocking the bisexual side of things... I have zero interest in guys, I like girls and tgirls, in fact I find tgirls even more sexual then girls most of the time. Girls spend all their time trying to fit into a man society as equals perhaps they have lost some of the sexuality we so desire. Guys are visual creatures to start, when we see a hot girl or tgirl we cant help desire it, some will resist the tgirl and others will dive right in, it is a personal choice.

To finish off the rambling the tough part is Western Society. They are very closed minded in a "3rd Gender" as one may call it. They are getting better but are far off from Asian and European countries. You will find that your friends, family, strangers many of them will assume you are gay right out of the gate if you say you like Tgirls, probably cause they first picture a football player with a wig and a dress and dont really understand the mentality of it. Personally only a few close friends i know that could handle it know about my desires, not everyone is open minded and even those that might love tgirls in a private life might be negative to you in public as to keep their own desires even more private.

anyway that is my 2 cents, agree with it, hate it, whatever... I was not trying to offend anyone just in case someone thinks that..personally i think it is cool for people to do whatever they so desire as long as it doesnt hurt anyone or of course if it doesnt involve the young... some lines should never be crossed.

cheers

[TgirlReviews]

Problem is with something like this is everyone will have their opinion on what you are... best not to dwell on it.. for me I consider my self straight, act it, look it etc.. yes I like girls with cocks so if you want to call me bi I can deal with that as well... I dont see gay in my own personal definition. I am never turned on by any guy i see and have nothing against those that do.. i got gay friends, straight friends and tgirl friends, its all good.

On some older Tgirl Chat channels I use to hear a lot that you are not gay or bi if you dont let the Tgirl enter you ass haha... like that is the big step into gay hood, like i said it is all a mater of perception


I also agree with your everyone is gay statement in a sense, I think everyone has bisexual feelings it might be as little as 2% or as high as 100% you can deny it all you want but we are sexual creatures it is in our nature to think, feel, act on such things, some will go extreme, some will never think about it at all...

Long live all girls whether they have a special surprise or not!

[JodieTs]

For the record: I like popcorn http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)