Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

You know how BO said for 95% of Americans tax will not go up? Forget that. Geithner just said the middle class will have to be taxed more as well. This is Obama's "No New Taxes!" moment. Luckily for him though, he controls the media.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You know how BO said for 95% of Americans tax will not go up? Forget that. Geithner just said the middle class will have to be taxed more as well. This is Obama's "No New Taxes!" moment. Luckily for him though, he controls the media.

Oh well, I seem to recall Ronney cutting taxes and then raising them and Sr Bush saying no new taxes and raising them. This is nothing new all politicians are lairs when it comes to taxes.
"Hope springs eternal" that we could have a good government that does what "needs" to be done and leaves us alone.

[randolph]

Quote of the Day
- By Kevin Drum | Tue August 4, 2009 9:42 AM PST

From Arlen Specter (D-Pa.), responding to Joe Sestak's decision to run against him in next year's Democratic primary:

His months of indecisiveness on his candidacy raises a real question as to his competency to handle the tough rapid-fire decisions required of a Senator.

Rapid fire? The U.S. Senate? Are we talking about the same U.S. Senate here?

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You know how BO said for 95% of Americans tax will not go up? Forget that. Geithner just said the middle class will have to be taxed more as well. This is Obama's "No New Taxes!" moment. Luckily for him though, he controls the media.

What a surpise, Taxes going up, Well we do have two wars to pay for and a huge national debit to pay off so of cousre taxes will be going up only a fool would start two wars and still cut taxes for the super rich


Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

What a surpise, Taxes going up, Well we do have two wars to pay for and a huge national debit to pay off so of cousre taxes will be going up....

Yeah, probably not a good time to start all those big spending programs. Oops.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah, probably not a good time to start all those big spending programs. Oops.

You mean like what W did with the GOP congress and senate from 01 thru 06? It seems as long as it's a program from the GOP to help the rich you are all smiles but any program to help the working poor you are against. Besides you are forgetting who created this mess GEORGE W BUSH and his REAGEN trickle down ecomics which only helps those who don't need help and leaves a hugh debit to be paid by everyone else

Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

You mean like what W did with the GOP congress and senate from 01 thru 06?

There was no financial crisis then. And what big spending programs did Bush start in addition to the wars? Wars that BO has decided to continue BTW.

Originally Posted by transjen

It seems as long as it's a program from the GOP to help the rich you are all smiles but any program to help the working poor you are against.

I'm for programs that help both.

Originally Posted by transjen

Besides you are forgetting who created this mess GEORGE W BUSH and his REAGEN trickle down ecomics which only helps those who don't need help and leaves a hugh debit to be paid by everyone else

I don't see how you have any right to make those claims since you've made them several times over the last several months and have never provided any details on that. So cut the crap. No one's buying it.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

There was no financial crisis then. And what big spending programs did Bush start in addition to the wars? Wars that BO has decided to continue BTW.

I'm for programs that help both.

I don't see how you have any right to make those claims since you've made them several times over the last several months and have never provided any details on that. So cut the crap. No one's buying it.

Sorry that i'm not as intrenched in a party as you are to have a excuss list and links to make W appaer to be one of the greatest presidents of all time behind Regan, Unlike you i see whats going on i get my news from the newspaper the Courier Post the main paper in South Jersey ABC local news out of South Phillie and CNN mostly Wolfe B and LOU DOBBS i don't pay attention to Rush or FOXX NEWS or search the computers bloggers so sorry i don't have these so called spin links that you love and demand. All this links you provided is mostly the same crap the goose stepping Bushies were trying to hand out in 04 and i'm sure those links have been updated since.


Now about W big spending programs rember his great drug plan for seniors? Yeah a program writen for and by the drug and insurence companies which offers little help and is only going to bankrupt medicare.
Now about Obama sticking with the wars, Obama is drawing a close to the Iraq war and he is stepping up in the Afgan war a war that was right but a war W didn't want and didn't care about as he was to busy with Iraq he let Afgan slip in to a big mess and he never did catch Bin- Laddin because i think he never wanted him captured
Jerseygirl Jen

[Mel Asher]

From where I'm sitting, I think it's far too early for Barack to be judged or analysed through partisan eyes. He has one hell of a job in fron of him with Social Reforms, and the Senate are not likely to make that an easy ride. As far as international politics goes, the image of America ( for whatever reason ) has suffered severely in the last two decades world-wide, and this will not be changed overnight, especially in the face of sustained propaganda from America's enemies ( and, sadly, her ' allies ' too ).

What do other Brits think ? This thread is a really interesting one ! Keep posting ! !

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Sorry that i'm not as intrenched in a party as you are to have a excuss list and links to make W appaer to be one of the greatest presidents of all time behind Regan

If that's what you think I'm doing, you're not paying attention.

Originally Posted by transjen

Now about W big spending programs rember his great drug plan for seniors? Yeah a program writen for and by the drug and insurence companies which offers little help and is only going to bankrupt medicare.

HEY!! Congratulations!!! You are on the verge of actually backing up one of your statements. And you may actually have one here. I haven't heard of it. Can you give more details?

Originally Posted by transjen

Now about Obama sticking with the wars, Obama is drawing a close to the Iraq war

No, that was Bush that was drawing a close to the Iraq war after the surge worked. He and the Iraqi government already set a time table for withdrawal from Iraq. BO wanted to withdraw troops over 16 months, but it's more like Bush's plan now.

Originally Posted by transjen

and he is stepping up in the Afgan war a war that was right but a war W didn't want and didn't care about as he was to busy with Iraq he let Afgan slip in to a big mess and he never did catch Bin- Laddin because i think he never wanted him captured

The fighting was over in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda went elsewhere to cause trouble. They have since come back. Both Bush & BO wanted to return to Afghanistan to do another clean up.

As for the hunt for bin laden. Yes we must get him. But should we focus all our efforts on only finding him? It's easy for one person to hide and never be found. Do you think the conflict will be over if Bin Laden is gone? Of course not. Bush went after Al Qaeda. Given the choice, I'd choose Bin Laden without Al Qaeda rather than Al Qaeda without Bin Laden.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You know how BO said for 95% of Americans tax will not go up? Forget that. Geithner just said the middle class will have to be taxed more as well. This is Obama's "No New Taxes!" moment. Luckily for him though, he controls the media.

By the way, Obama denies any tax increase for the middle class. Lets hope he follows through on fucking the rich.

Also, I just watched the acclaimed video "The corporation". I would highly recommend it to anybody interested in understanding the role of corporations in our society.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by randolph

By the way, obama denies any tax increase for the middle class.

That's a big shocker there, why would he admit that he lied?

Originally Posted by randolph

Lets hope he follows through on fucking the rich.

Hey, does that include all the hollyweird people and the music industry names that backed his campaign?