Our sexual organs tell us nothing...

[TheSkronkDonkey]

I'm really enjoying all these threads, tone poems, ruminations, polemics, pleas, pledges and whatever else Mr Hank is coming up with. Bravo, Hank!

Gender identity happens in the mind and NOT in the body.

It's as simple as that.

Yes! I love your forthright declaration! Exactly!

Sadly, you always get these bad seeds ...

(Rude, ignorant, hostile, belligerent etc.)

i can believe im a fucking penguin, but that doesnt change a damn thing, buddy. i can get as much cosmetic surgery as my heart desires and my wallet will allow to resemble a penguin, but at the end of the day im still a HUMAN(male), genetically.

To aid your shallow thinking, I suggest a simple breakdown. It's crude, but so are you.

1) Sex. The underlying "genetic" configuration of one's biological characteristics (not the characteristics themselves).

2) Gender. The "psychological" attitudes towards one's physiology and one's inner self.

3) Orientation. The "psychological" attitudes toward's one's desires and what one finds desirable and not.

Note (A) : All of these are inherently subjective things. That is, they belong to the person. Society has little or no say in the matter, even if it perpetually wants to and tries to.

Note (B) : The categories themselves are arbitrary and inexorably linked, though the latter is redundant if the former is true (even as defined, they're not necessarily immutable, either). Sex, gender, orientation and sexuality itself are concepts that cannot be cracked. Not with feeble rhetoric, anyway -- and that's usually all anyone is ever trading in.

btw, wtf did they teach you in highschool? apparently it went in one ear and out the other, much the same as what the BMs said on the OTHER forum that u frequent.

From your typing/spelling ... did you even GO to high school?