Why so many LB in thailand?

[rockabilly]

At least in Asia i bet they dont get harrassed by Bible thumping zealots screaming " Your going to hell!! " and here i thought Christians were all about forgiving and loving your neighbor. Or get beaten by drunk rednecks who park across from the only gay/trans friendly club to " Smear us a queer! " Thankfully its Nascar season and they get drunk someplace else. Living in the biblebelt sucks. And i have family obligations so i cant up and leave. The worlds not perfect but someplaces are better than others..

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

At least in Asia i bet they dont get harrassed by Bible thumping zealots screaming " Your going to hell!! " and here i thought Christians were all about forgiving and loving your neighbor. Or get beaten by drunk rednecks who park across from the only gay/trans friendly club to " Smear us a queer! " Thankfully its Nascar season and they get drunk someplace else. Living in the biblebelt sucks. And i have family obligations so i cant up and leave. The worlds not perfect but someplaces are better than others..

I understand, and living in Geo Bush-land must be horrible - I realize that it was imprudent of me to make a comparison between Denmark and Asia as a true comparison between the West and the East :-)

Just vote Democrat :-)

Best wishes

H

[rockabilly]

Always do ... If i were rich i'd buy a chain of islands and make a Tgirl utopia. Surf , Sand , Sun and equality and acceptance for all. Leave your discrimination on the mainland, just have fun and relax ... but what to call this oasis? Oh well i can dream.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Always do ... If i were rich i'd buy a chain of islands and make a Tgirl utopia. Surf , Sand , Sun and equality and acceptance for all. Leave your discrimination on the mainland, just have fun and relax ... but what to call this oasis? Oh well i can dream.

I think this "oasis" of yours is called "Sincerety Island". And I also think that it can be found every where... if we wish! The point is to bring our dreams into reality. If your dream is being with a trans*woman, then make your "string of open-minded islands" with HER! Even in a small apartment :-)

If you truly want her, go get her!

You are SO ripe for a meaningful relationship with a sweet little tranny-girl... FIND HER! Make her happy! She's waiting!

H

[violet lightning]

I'm thinking that trans-genders, being human, are probably fairly evenly distributed around the world. What happens after that is a mix of upbringing and the environment.(accepting/non-accepting). In environments where its more accepted, (for whatever reasons) you will probably find more.
Its a shame to hear that one of the prime motivations, at least in Thailand is money. I think Thailand and places like the Phillipines, etc., have been pleasure destinations for many, many years,(if not centuries),
for the worlds military, businessmen, and sexual adventurers. Lots of prostitution of all kinds.
So at least in Thailand, the motivation seems to be more about money, tourism and survival, than honest acceptance.
Such a shame. It seems to me that trans genders have always been part of the human spectrum of sexuality, and as such, will always be with us. Some ancient (and even some contemporary) cultures had a distinct niche or place for transgenders. At least mtf. The American Indian culture comes to mind, where they were revered, respected or at the very least accepted as a part of the group.
That being said, maybe(?) the world will become more accepting again as transexualism is slowly mainstreamed into the culture. (via the internet, television, etc.), and people realize that its a normal part of the human condition and come to appreciate their unique contribution to society.
Just look at the U.S. Ten or fifteen years ago, there were a few tgirls on a little thing called the internet, or you could go to a club if you lived in a big city, or find some in a few adult magazines. Now they are appearing in bigger numbers all the time; the internet has exploded with them, and you can find real tgirls all over the world. I think they have always been there, but now are starting to feel more open, more accepted, and they are coming out.
Not to say that its an easy thing-I know its not. But its easier now than in, say the 1950's.
To me, it just adds spice to life, and who dosn't like a little spice now and then?

[violet lightning]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Always do ... If i were rich i'd buy a chain of islands and make a Tgirl utopia. Surf , Sand , Sun and equality and acceptance for all. Leave your discrimination on the mainland, just have fun and relax ... but what to call this oasis? Oh well i can dream.

Makes me think of the old TV show "Fantasy Island" . Every week a new group of tourists would come on the island and Mr. Roark (Ricardo Montalban) and his sidekick, Tattoo, would try to make their fantasies come true.
Now that would make a great idea for a tgirl tourist destination!!
Just replace Mr. Roark with someone like Joanna Jet.... and let the fun begin!

[racquel]

Along the lines of what has already been said, I think another big difference vs. the eastern world is that even when people in the USA are tolerant that they still have a total lack of understanding of transsexuality.

I hear Native Americans had respect for the concept of two-spirit people and transgendered pepole in general. I think eastern culture has this as well. It just sounds to me like people are more accepting of the fact that different people "find themselves" in many different ways.

In the USA there are plenty people who are tolerant of gays and even transsexuals, and people tend to understand at least a little bit the concept of gayness. But in my experience most people simply don't understand transsexuality. They don't believe in it. If anything, they think it's a mental illness. As nice as people may be, most of them think that inside I'm really just a confused gay man.

[twistedone]

Tolerance in religion, at least from my experience is a misnomer.

They talk a good talk, but don't walk their talk.

I've been threatened with physical harm by them.. So where's that "Love thy neighbor" crap?

Originally Posted by rockabilly

At least in Asia i bet they dont get harrassed by Bible thumping zealots screaming " Your going to hell!! " and here i thought Christians were all about forgiving and loving your neighbor. Or get beaten by drunk rednecks who park across from the only gay/trans friendly club to " Smear us a queer! " Thankfully its Nascar season and they get drunk someplace else. Living in the biblebelt sucks. And i have family obligations so i cant up and leave. The worlds not perfect but someplaces are better than others..

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by twistedone

Tolerance in religion, at least from my experience is a misnomer.

They talk a good talk, but don't walk their talk.

I've been threatened with physical harm by them.. So where's that "Love thy neighbor" crap?

The Lord be praised! Find me the place in scripture where Jesus Christ condemned transsexuality...

Don't bother to try to find it...

I'm christian, and I do believe in the good message of Jesus Christ.

Most of my trans*lovers have been muslim, and they claim to believe in the words of Muhammad, peace be upon him.

I've been a nasty missionary and have made more than one little ladyboy cry from frustration of me refusing to accept her muslim faith... and to challenge her theological approach...

As Fey wisely said to me: darling, why do you ALWAYS have to challenge my faith... I'm not a terrorist... why do you dislike muslims that much?

Well, maybe because muslims seem to have a love for killing things... just like right wing Republican Americans...

No, ofcourse Fey was right, and in complete fairness, I've only met completely nice and very non-violent people here in muslim Indonesia. So I've had to take my anti-muslim approach a little bit up for reconsideration. Not that I love the way, but fair is square. And I don't want to be an asshole that makes little muslim ladyboys cry because of my hateful remarks.

I admit that I cannot truly trust Islam - the muslims have too much blood on their hands for me to truly consider that religion particularly peaceful. And my problem is that moderate muslims never REALLY opposed the fanatics enough... they seemed to either ignore them, try to excuse them or silently approve of their actions.

I don't think in all fairness that Islam is particularly "good news" for democracy.

But I don't think Geo Bush was either...

Nasty...

Barack Obama is.

Hanky Panky

[rockabilly]

Theres bloodshed in almost all religious history. Lest we forget The Crusades or the many Inquisitions or the Salem Witch Trials. How many people died because they were branded heretics or witches? No religion is truly free of violence , thats why i prefer being spiritual rather than religous. I can appreciate what diverse religions offer w/o being bound to Dogma and Doctrine. I respect others views and beliefs but the world would be better if everyone treated others as they would like to be treated. Peace

[murkh]

First I have lived in Thailand for several years. Visisted many times before that.

I think there are several factors - I will try to put in order.

1. Gays and Ladyboys are accepted and not stigmatised in Thailand. This means that there is no discrimination against them and most people accept them.

2. Like the girls, Ladyboys- especially from the north - need to earn money to support their families. Children are expected to support their parents. That is why there is so much proistitution in Thailand. Strictly it is illegal, but this is not enforced.

3. The Farang - western visitors - seem attracted to this concept of ladyboys. This may drive the price up. There are still fewer Ladyboys than girls. The specially beautiful ladyboys can be expensive - there are not so many.

4. Also there are many Ladyboy bars - as well as gay bars- in Bangkok and Pattaya. So they are easily accessible. Girls, gays and Ladyboys are allowed into nearly all hotels as well - for some you may have to pay a fee.

5. In my oppinion Asian Ladyboys are the best looking - especially the Thais. I may get flack on this one. It is a matter of oppinion. But see how many Thai pictures are posted in this forum.

[alyssats]

Theres also a lot of ladyboy in Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines....

ive been to Ho chi Minh City (Saigon) once and ive seen so many ladyboy there thousands all in every street corner. many are so passable and stunner. Ive also been in Bali, Indonesia twice and seen so many ladyboys there so many. Maybe its just that ladyboys in Singapore, Malaysia,the Philippines, Indonesia... etc werent given much exposure than the Thai ones