Universal Healthcare: What a crock of shit!

[aa2239]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Well, I was addressing that same notion, aa2239 -- that's why I put that one section in BOLD. That's the whole POINT of that line in the Hippocratic Oath -- namely, that regardless of a patient's "economic stability", a doctor's first and foremost duty is to HELP that person. Hence the next line in the oath that clearly states: "I will prevent disease wherever I can."

Yes, I was pretty much seconding your opinion, vis a vis Angry Postman's sentiments.

But I believe that the good of the many should outweigh the good of the few... the point you make about breast cancer treatment is a fair one, but the drugs in question were brand new at the time, and as a consequence were extremely expensive... a few years from now, this situation will probably change, the drugs will become affordable, and at that point everyone in the country will have access to them. At least with our system, the most vulnerable or unfortunate people in society stand a chance.... thankfully that's not me, but I would hate to be a disadvantaged person in need of significant medical care in the US.

[The Conquistador]

Pop Quiz:

1. Does anybody who actually has a health care plan now think that that plan's coverage will improve?

2. Do you think I need share my health care with you?

3. Will I think you are a schmuck if you answer "Yes" to #1 and #2? Should you care?

Answers below:



















1. No.

2. No.

3. Yes, No.







BTW Creative Mind, I'm not offended by what you said. This is a forum intended for open discussion. We will have duelling opinions and if I did take offense to your comment it would only prove how much of a wiener I am. And yes I do work for the "Man" and no I do not use the healthcare that they provide nor do I use the VA benefits that I am entitled to because I have seen the Govt. and its "lowest bidder" mentality towards peoples health. I pave my own way. And no I make very little a year at my job(less than $15,000)

[transjen]

[QUOTE=TheAngryPostman;84016]Pop Quiz:

1. Does anybody who actually has a health care plan now think that that plan's coverage will improve?

2. Do you think I need share my health care with you?

3. Will I think you are a schmuck if you answer "Yes" to #1 and #2? Should you care?

Answers below:
1. probaly not, but not everyone is as lucky as me
2. In a way you all ready are, you are paying for the uninsured right now via higher DR and hospital fees
3. believe me i've been called worse

[Amy]

I really pity anyone living in one of those backwards countries without socialised healthcare systems. It's utterly inhuman, completely wrong, and totally unworkable to have a system which most harms those in greatest need of help.

Anyone who advocates privatised healthcare systems anywhere in the civilised world needs to be shot. I'm deadly serous.

I've always had treatment available on the spot to me, anywhere in the country, and this is paid for by a MINISCULE amount of the taxes I pay. Not only that but it has been available to me irrespective of my financial situation at the time. My medication is all provided to me by the state, my surgery when it has been needed was carried out promptly and at no cost, and best of all I know this standard of healthcare is available to EVERYONE in this country because of my taxes, just as I am guaranteed it when I am unemployed/etc. because of theirs.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Amy

I really pity anyone living in one of those backwards countries without socialised healthcare systems. It's utterly inhuman, completely wrong, and totally unworkable to have a system which most harms those in greatest need of help.

Anyone who advocates privatised healthcare systems anywhere in the civilised world needs to be shot. I'm deadly serous.

That's the spirit Amy! Civilize 'em with a Martini-Henry!!! Or an Enfield if you choose so.

[Amy]

Hehe. I do get a little overzealous when I've ben out all night drinking, but I stand by my statements.

However the NHS is a godsend to many trans individuals in this country who could never manage to fund the medical aspects of their transitioning otherwise.

[aa2239]

Originally Posted by Amy

The NHS is a godsend to many trans individuals in this country who could never manage to fund the medical aspects of their transitioning otherwise.

Ah, that's worth an extra 2 points for Universal Healthcare Systems! After all, this is a TG forum lol :D

[ARIES666]

It's ok to leave the upkeep of roads and highways, collection of garbage, etc, etc to municipal or state or federal governments...god forbid they also have universal healthcare.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by ARIES666

It's ok to leave the upkeep of roads and highways, collection of garbage, etc, etc to municipal or state or federal governments...god forbid they also have universal healthcare.

Except here's the problem with your analogy, Aries -- when has the state or federal government ever handled those things both efficiently AND in a true cost-conscious manner? Where it worked in a good, clean, trouble-free manner AND it was actually economically sound? And take note of what I just said. I didn't say cost-CUTTING manner, as if I want everything to be bare bones and run completely low end, where you're trying to pinch every penny. I have no problem with throwing SOME government resources or money at the problem, in particular to help the truly, truly, truly poor. After all, that would be the humane thing to do.

But here's where I laugh at the idea of government sponsored, universal healthcare actually working: The post office.

For crying out loud, the government can't even deliver a fucking letter on time. Seriously, it can't. Forget about how long a standard postage stamp or standard package will take. That's just a total crap shoot. But even more laughable, even if I PAY for an enhanced service such as Express Mail (overnight delivery) it STILL shows up late...and even if I PAY for an enhanced service like Priority mail (guaranteed 2-3 days), it can still take as long as 10 or more days.

And think about it. Going all the way back to the Pony Express and running the clock all the way up to today, if EVER there was a government program that the American people actually came together on and said "Sure, I'm willing to see some of my tax dollars spent on establishing a good, reliable mail service. I think we ALL benefit from that" -- it's the fucking Post Office. And yet for all the BILLIONS spent on it across the decades, what did you get? A government service bogged down in rules, regulations, up and down budget cuts and continually hampered services...and in the end, shoddy service that even became a universally recognized joke.

Yet along comes something like Fed Ex as a PRIVATE business company, that says "Hey, pay us a few bucks more and we'll get your letter there overnight. Or we'll refund your money" -- and BOOM. Suddenly you've got a company that blossoms and actually DOES the job is says it will do. Why? Because unlike a Federal government operation...which supports itself with a never-ending supply of tax dollars, so it really has nothing to gain or lose by being in operation...in the case of Fed Ex it HAS to do it's job and do it reliably, otherwise it goes under.