Universal Healthcare: What a crock of shit!

[aa2239]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Interesting sentiment since the NUMBER ONE THING that all doctors swear to is the Hippocratic Oath, which specifically states:


I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.


So, I think your basic attitude of "go fuck off and die" if someone has trouble either buying their health care (in those instances where their employer won't supply a company plan) or they have trouble keeping up with modern costs is a bit out of touch with the basic duties that doctors are charged with doing and even swear to uphold -- namely helping ALL that are sick or in pain or in need.

Never mind all that, what about BASIC HUMAN DECENCY?!?!?! The principal that says: "I have more than you, but you're in greater need than me, so I will help you"... such a simple notion, and one that would revolutionize society for the better, if people weren't so stupid and selfish....

Having grown up with a universal healthcare system, I honestly find it incredulous that a country like the US can't take the British NHS model, and make it better... oh, but then that would make a dent in the profit margins of insurance, medical and pharmaceutical companies... what a shame. When you sit down and think about it for a minute, you see that some aspects of capitalist society are ludicrous.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

Originally Posted by aa2239

Never mind all that, what about BASIC HUMAN DECENCY?!?!?! The principal that says: "I have more than you, but you're in greater need than me, so I will help you"... such a simple notion, and one that would revolutionize society for the better, if people weren't so stupid and selfish...

Well, I was addressing that same notion, aa2239 -- that's why I put that one section in BOLD. That's the whole POINT of that line in the Hippocratic Oath -- namely, that regardless of a patient's "economic stability", a doctor's first and foremost duty is to HELP that person. Hence the next line in the oath that clearly states: "I will prevent disease wherever I can."

[aa2239]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Well, I was addressing that same notion, aa2239 -- that's why I put that one section in BOLD. That's the whole POINT of that line in the Hippocratic Oath -- namely, that regardless of a patient's "economic stability", a doctor's first and foremost duty is to HELP that person. Hence the next line in the oath that clearly states: "I will prevent disease wherever I can."

Yes, I was pretty much seconding your opinion, vis a vis Angry Postman's sentiments.

But I believe that the good of the many should outweigh the good of the few... the point you make about breast cancer treatment is a fair one, but the drugs in question were brand new at the time, and as a consequence were extremely expensive... a few years from now, this situation will probably change, the drugs will become affordable, and at that point everyone in the country will have access to them. At least with our system, the most vulnerable or unfortunate people in society stand a chance.... thankfully that's not me, but I would hate to be a disadvantaged person in need of significant medical care in the US.

[The Conquistador]

Pop Quiz:

1. Does anybody who actually has a health care plan now think that that plan's coverage will improve?

2. Do you think I need share my health care with you?

3. Will I think you are a schmuck if you answer "Yes" to #1 and #2? Should you care?

Answers below:



















1. No.

2. No.

3. Yes, No.







BTW Creative Mind, I'm not offended by what you said. This is a forum intended for open discussion. We will have duelling opinions and if I did take offense to your comment it would only prove how much of a wiener I am. And yes I do work for the "Man" and no I do not use the healthcare that they provide nor do I use the VA benefits that I am entitled to because I have seen the Govt. and its "lowest bidder" mentality towards peoples health. I pave my own way. And no I make very little a year at my job(less than $15,000)

[transjen]

[QUOTE=TheAngryPostman;84016]Pop Quiz:

1. Does anybody who actually has a health care plan now think that that plan's coverage will improve?

2. Do you think I need share my health care with you?

3. Will I think you are a schmuck if you answer "Yes" to #1 and #2? Should you care?

Answers below:
1. probaly not, but not everyone is as lucky as me
2. In a way you all ready are, you are paying for the uninsured right now via higher DR and hospital fees
3. believe me i've been called worse

[Amy]

I really pity anyone living in one of those backwards countries without socialised healthcare systems. It's utterly inhuman, completely wrong, and totally unworkable to have a system which most harms those in greatest need of help.

Anyone who advocates privatised healthcare systems anywhere in the civilised world needs to be shot. I'm deadly serous.

I've always had treatment available on the spot to me, anywhere in the country, and this is paid for by a MINISCULE amount of the taxes I pay. Not only that but it has been available to me irrespective of my financial situation at the time. My medication is all provided to me by the state, my surgery when it has been needed was carried out promptly and at no cost, and best of all I know this standard of healthcare is available to EVERYONE in this country because of my taxes, just as I am guaranteed it when I am unemployed/etc. because of theirs.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Amy

I really pity anyone living in one of those backwards countries without socialised healthcare systems. It's utterly inhuman, completely wrong, and totally unworkable to have a system which most harms those in greatest need of help.

Anyone who advocates privatised healthcare systems anywhere in the civilised world needs to be shot. I'm deadly serous.

That's the spirit Amy! Civilize 'em with a Martini-Henry!!! Or an Enfield if you choose so.

[Amy]

Hehe. I do get a little overzealous when I've ben out all night drinking, but I stand by my statements.

However the NHS is a godsend to many trans individuals in this country who could never manage to fund the medical aspects of their transitioning otherwise.

[aa2239]

Originally Posted by Amy

The NHS is a godsend to many trans individuals in this country who could never manage to fund the medical aspects of their transitioning otherwise.

Ah, that's worth an extra 2 points for Universal Healthcare Systems! After all, this is a TG forum lol :D