Barack Obama

[tslust]

I find it amazing. Before the election and the inauguration, I couldn't go anywhere without running into an Obama supporter. Now everyone I talk to says "I didn't vote for him." Where did all of Obama's loyal masses go?

[The Conquistador]

A graphic representation.

[CreativeMind]

Yes! CHANGE you can believe in!

NOT.

Obama Budget Chief on Hill: Dems Plan to Scrap Middle Class Tax Cut
ABC News.com
March 25, 2009 4:45 PM

President Obama's budget chief hinted that the president's signature campaign issue - a middle class tax cut - will not likely survive a budget battle with Democrats on Capitol Hill.

On a conference call with reporters in advance of the President's trip to the hill to speak before the Senate Democratic caucus, OMB Director Peter Orszag indicated that while 98% of the budget mark-ups in the House and Senate are on par with the administration's budget blueprint, some campaign trail promises, like middle class tax cuts, may get left on the cutting room floor...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...budget-ch.html

[transjen]

GEE sounds like everybody misses W, If so you can all suport the female verson of W named Sarah or you can all back another Bush named Jeb granted he's a little smarter then W but rest assured he is just as sneaky and as dishonest as his brother and just as quick to point his finger at someone else and say not my fault Jennifer

[transjen]

Now for a little shot of reality, To start with he inherated a big mess that was not his doing, Where he ran into trouble started with him promising everyone the sun and the moon and had no idea how to keep them promises and worst of all he inherated a house and senate that will never put party aside to help the country the GOP refuse to accept any blame and keep yelling trickle down will fix everything and the dems just want to tax the rich which equals nothing but a big mess

[The Conquistador]

Here is an insightful look into the economic collapse and our part in it.
http://arthurshall.com/x_2009_economy.shtml

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

GEE sounds like everybody misses W, If so you can all suport the female verson of W named Sarah or you can all back another Bush named Jeb granted he's a little smarter then W but rest assured he is just as sneaky and as dishonest as his brother and just as quick to point his finger at someone else and say not my fault Jennifer

Just for the record, Jen, as I stated in a post above, I think most Americans DO want to root on their new President...as I said before, most Americans DON'T want their newest President to turn out to be a total schlub...so I have no problem giving Obama a chance. As you noted in your other post here, there's no question that Obama certain inherited a lot of problems.

That said, the same is true of ALL Presidents inheriting things from their predecessor. We're talking about the most powerful nation in the world, the economic engine that likewise drives the world economy. So saying Obama inherited a lot of problems was certainly true of Bush, TOO. Lest we all forget out history, GW inherited a recession from Clinton that we likewise had to pull ourselves out of. Not to mention the Clinton years were the time when Al Qaeda first tried to topple the World Trade Center using a van bomb, after which they regrouped, they acquired their funding, they entered the country illegally, they took their flight school training (all of which happened under the radar screen of Clinton) and then once Bush was in office only 8 or so months...when he was the new guy on the job...he was faced with the consequences of the 9/11 attacks.

So, I can appreciate the magnitude of what Obama is facing AS President of the United States. The weight on his shoulders is more incredible than most could ever bear, and there's a definite reason every President -- even if they only serve one term -- goes in looking vigorous and full of life, and then comes out looking haggard with stress lines all over their face, their hair now completely gray.

For the record, my personal gripe with Obama is that I just felt the Left...and certainly the Left-leaning media...did SUCH a pile-on whenever it came to Bush, which started from the day he did win Florida and he did legitimately beat Gore (and yes, for those on the Left, regardless of the Supreme Court hearings, they ultimately DID go back and recount ALL of the Florida ballots, which only served to prove that Bush DID win the state. In fact, once the full recount was done, Bush's margin of victory actually TRIPLED over Gore. Don't believe me? Feel free to Google it.) So, to my mind, that's where much of this animosity began. It began in an election where the Left was SO angry that Gore lost, and they only became even MORE embittered when Bush beat Kerry -- and let the record show that Bush won BOTH the electoral college AND the popular vote there, so there was NO disputing that he had fairly won.

My problem with Obama goes to a phrase that I believe Michelle Malkin, a conservative blogger, gets credit for creating. Namely, the Obama years are now about a "Savior based economy", where somehow Obama is going to "save us" from ourselves -- which frankly, is a presumptuous and arrogant attitude that I wouldn't tolerate from ANY politician or ANY party. There's nothing I hate more than any politician who feels they know what's better for you than you do, or that they know how to spend your money better than you do. Which is why you see so many of us groaning about Obama because these attitudes were the CORE of his campaign while running, which many bought into. Hell, they obviously bought into the sales pitch -- that's how he got the votes and won. And frankly THAT'S what actually TERRIFIES me about Obama. An elected politician is just that -- he's an elected person. He'll run the clock and then be out of office. But the bottom line is that he's just a MAN, not a sainted "savior". And the fact that Obama labeled himself "The One" makes me raise an eyebrow about an ego run amuck.

And here's another reason you'll see many of us bitching. As it's been often noted in this thread, currently HALF of the country does NOT pay taxes AT ALL. Seriously, stop and think about that -- for all the griping that people always do about their taxes and whatnot, you literally have a 50-50 shot -- the next time someone bitches to you about their taxes -- of turning to them and saying, "Wait a minute. Did you actually PAY anything?" and havign them turn to you and answer, "Uh...no, actually I didn't have to pay anything at all."

So what we're REALLY seeing at work here...what's FINALLY being played out on a national level and ripping us (as a country) even further apart...is a true class warfare battle. Those on the Left like to label it a war of "The haves versus the have-nots" to make it sound more humanistic. Meanwhile, those on the Right like to label it "Those who work hard versus those who are expecting a free hand out."

So, its not that people necessarily wish that W was back in power. For crying out loud, he DID piss off many of us on the Right for how much he DID spend himself. And THAT'S why you're seeing so many of us bitching even LOUDER now. Because it's all about the money we're spending and where it's going. When it comes down to that, I almost do wish Bush was back in office simply because W creating a $900 Billion deficit isn't even in the same league as Obama creating a $3 TRILLION deficit for this year alone -- not to mention he and the Democrats in Congress have ALSO committed us to deficits projected to be $1-1.5 TRILLION for each of the next 10 years TOO. And let me repeat that: that's what they project them to be, which given the way our government usually fouls things up and the way they can never add up a column of numbers doing basic math, that means the deficits will likely be MUCH HIGHER.

So again, it's not that I want Bush back, but for crying out loud given the choice between a guy who had a cowboy way of walking and talking and who served up $900 Billion in debt VERSUS a slick talking Harvard lawyer who now is trying to mandate how everyone will have to live their lives, who in comparison is serving up a $13 TRILLION debt (or more) all to accomplish his personal visions about social engineering -- gee, this one really isn't TOO hard for me to pick between.

[transjen]

This is an argument neither of us can win so i'm won't even try. But to clear a little about myself first i'm not a dem or rep i'm a independent and have been since i was old enough to vote, What party a canadate belongs to makes no nevermind to me i vote on what the person will do and what they stand for, I never liked W mainly because in 2000 he struck me as an idiot and in 08 i didn't care for Obama because i found him lacking he gave great speeches but he always lacked what he would do and how he gave promises but no clear answer to how he would do it .But as he has only be in office for under a 100 days i'm still ready to wait and see. Regaurdless on which side you are on it took awhile to get into this mess and it will take awhile to get out

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Yes! CHANGE you can believe in!

I see you got it wrong too.
That's "CHAINS you can believe in."

[The Conquistador]

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Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Yes! CHANGE you can believe in!
I see you got it wrong too.
That's "CHAINS you can believe in."

No he's right. President Zero said he'd bring change; he just never specified if it was change for better or for worse.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

GEE sounds like everybody misses W, If so you can all suport the female verson of W named Sarah or you can all back another Bush named Jeb granted he's a little smarter then W but rest assured he is just as sneaky and as dishonest as his brother and just as quick to point his finger at someone else and say not my fault Jennifer

There's that common claim that is very rarely backed up. That W is dishonest. He may not be the brightest bulb of the bunch, but I haven't seen evidence of dishonesty. No, I wouldn't want Palin. Too green (not as green as Obama though), and way too religious. Forget all that. I want someone who is experienced, who is a fiscal conservative, who is pro-science, has a strong foreign policy, has a diverse energy policy and is not a bible thumper. Someone who is not likely to require me to pay someone elses mortgage. Someone who does not spend us into oblivion and threaten the stability of the dollar. No, this does not describe a republican (unfortunately), but they are the closest to what I'm looking for.

This whole spending your way out of debt thing is insane. NO ONE would try this themselves. If you had all your credit cards maxed out, can you seriously tell me that you would spend more to solve your problem? Of course not. Yes Obama inherited a recession. My problem with him is that what he's doing will turn it into a depression, and worse, might even cause the dollar to collapse.

Obama and the democrats are on a mission to change what this country is. They have twice already threatened to retroactively punish people for laws they are just now pulling out of their ass, which is a violation of the constitution, and they are also violating the 10th amendment by making demands on state legislatures. They also want to move control of the census to the Whitehouse under the control of their campain strategist, and enlist ACORN (already being charged for voter fraud) to work with the census. Why would they do this? Because this is one step below a hostile government take over. The hostile take over may come later with the voluntary mantetory corps that Obama wants to start. See story here. This is VERY scary stuff.

I'm already having trouble recognizing this government anymore. Who are being financially punished? Corporations who are driving this economy. Who is on their terror watch list? US veterans, our country's finest, coming back from putting their lives on the line for this country. Who does Obama extend a hand to, or kiss the hand of? Saudi Royalty, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez. And of course Bill Ayers & Reverend Wright.

Originally Posted by transjen

Now for a little shot of reality, To start with he inherated a big mess that was not his doing

True, he inherited the financial problems. He inherited it from Carter, who started the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), and from Clinton who strengthened it at the strong urging of ACORN - the group who comes from the same Chicago cesspool that Obama, Bill Ayers & Rev. Wright came from. ACORN used the CRA to force banks to]make loans to people who could not afford them. Clinton required banks to do this. And yes, Alan Greenspan is also to blame for artificially inflating the housing bubble. Democrats have been telling us all along how secure Freddie Mac and Fannie May are while Republicans have been warning us of the problems (and calling for regulations). Don't believe me? See this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN31-nKndg8

Originally Posted by transjen

Where he ran into trouble started with him promising everyone the sun and the moon and had no idea how to keep them promises

There's a word for that: Dishonest.

Originally Posted by transjen

and worst of all he inherated a house and senate that will never put party aside to help the country the GOP refuse to accept any blame and keep yelling trickle down will fix everything and the dems just want to tax the rich which equals nothing but a big mess

The house and senate are firmly democrat. Perhaps the GOP refuse to accept the blame because it was Carter & Clinton who created the problem. Perhaps the GOP favors the trickle down strategy because it worked under Reagan, after Carter nearly financially ruined the country using policies that were less ambitious than what Obama wants to do.

[TracyCoxx]

The latest Barack blunders....
The swine flue pandemic is here and BO still does not have anyone confirmed to head the Health & Human Services or the Center for Disease Control. But then again, that might be a good thing considering who he put in charge of Homeland Security.

Then he pulls another stunt in New York City. They had Airforce One flanked by two fighter jets buzzing the location where the World Trade Center stood. The FAA knew about it, but were told not to tell anyone. People were frightened and evacuated buildings by the thousands. Dumbass!