Shemales or Transsexuals

[Be_my_nude]

Originally Posted by Vanillas

I was recently chatting with a cam4 shemale and I wrote that she was "cute," by which I meant that she was feminine or girlie. She then launched into a semi-intelligible tirade saying, in essence, that she was a transexual, not a shemale. I am quite new to this and don't want to offend anyone again. Can someone tell me if the term "cute" is onerous to most shemales. Thank You

I feel that it all depends on how sensitive individuals are to being labelled. We are all guilty of doing this and giving unintended offence to another at some time or other. ( so-called ' racist ' remarks are an example ) As for me, I don't take insult very easily, not even if I'm called a ' Lesbian Bitch ' or whatever. I just think ' Well that's all YOU know ! ' and not give them a chance to find out. Of course we all have a short fuse on a bad day, but there are an waful lot of ignorant people out there who don't know the meaning of the word ' considerate '. Personally I think they are either lazy or pathetic, and why should I let them spoil my day for more than a couple of minutes.

Some of us need to crusade about issues such as this. I don't, but I respect the right of others to feel strongly about matters directly impacting on their own lives.

Bella

[Tsluver23]

My thing is if the person still has a cock then it's a shemale. Not until you go forth with castration will you be considered a transexual.

[racquel]

Originally Posted by Tsluver23

My thing is if the person still has a cock then it's a shemale. Not until you go forth with castration will you be considered a transexual.

I doubt I should even respond to someone who likes to refer to tgirls as "it," but...

Not that this is the absolute authority on transsexualism, but it is the most accepted by doctors and therapists:

http://www.wpath.org/Documents2/socv6.pdf

Transsexualism (F64.0) has three criteria:

1. The desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by the wish to make his or her body as congruent as possible with the preferred sex through surgery and hormone treatment;
2. The transsexual identity has been present persistently for at least two years;
3. The disorder is not a symptom of another mental disorder or a chromosomal abnormality.

So it is most accurate to include shemales in with TS girls, although some people would say that if a tgirl has no desire to ever get SRS she should not be called TS.

But obviously pre-op transsexuals are still transsexual. I mean, come on.

[new believer]

Somewhere between the last three posts, I got very lost. At least until Fran made sense with 'straight guys that look prettier and.....' . But I also have to add that I've seen some straight guys who are prettier and more fem than many ,fb's,cd's or tv's on this site. And yet, other members tell them their gorgeous. Ho boy. Then even further, putting me in a dress and makeup, I'd look a cross between a female 'Wolverine' and lassie (poor pooch)

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by Tsluver23

My thing is if the person still has a cock then it's a shemale. Not until you go forth with castration will you be considered a transexual.

I'm not even going to get into transgender vs. Transsexual because that's a stupid way to split hairs.

This issue isn't even at what point one can/should be considered trans* (either gendered or sexual). It has become a discussion of the word "shemale". You have 100% of M2F women here saying they don't like the word to some degree or another. I know plenty of trans*women who work all types of jobs - from escort to teacher and only one of them has any desire to use that word for herself (and she's not in "the industry").

Of the gals who work as escorts or in porn none of them like it. They use it for business reasons and will respond to it, but they don't actually like it. It isn't clever, or empowering, or cute, or even particularly descriptive.

If one is serious about an attraction to Trans*women, perhaps it would be a good idea to leave a word that is problematic for so many of us behind or expect many of us to be offended when it is used.

[Marine_N41_432]

I'm afraid that ' Shemale ' has to be a no-no when adressing an M2f Transgender
Transexual or Transvestite, simply because it is unnecessary. What you see is what you should respond to with some consideration too. Having said that I find ' Shemale ' very useful in a Search for Ladyboy visual material.
Carelessness can hurt feelings, so why not watch what you say. ( No offence to all you spontaneous types on this Forum ! )

[Amy]

I'm curious that the original offence stemmed from use of the word "cute" rather than "shemale".

I for one appreciae it when someone calls me cute. It's not a term I commonly see used outside of genetic females, except in communities like this one.

[Pascal]

A few days ago I was watching foot movies...I love girls feet. Later that night I discovered that it was no girl but a transvestite! I as a man was watching with a hard on in my pants at mans feet! Kinda scary but what does it matter? I liked the feeling. I'm openminded. I love shemales since I saw the first one in a magazine in 1990. A lot of them are more attractive than real women. And I don't care if you're a transvestite, transexual or gay as long as you are a nice person.

[jmadaf]

I think thats where all this discrimination starts is we don't know what to call anybody these days, and say the wrong thing and somebody is offended. And sometimes that is not what we are doing, we are misinformed.

[aussiepride]

Originally Posted by Amy

I'm curious that the original offence stemmed from use of the word "cute" rather than "shemale".

I for one appreciae it when someone calls me cute. It's not a term I commonly see used outside of genetic females, except in communities like this one.

Yeah I am confused by this thread. Is she offended by the word "cute", or calling her a "shemale". There seems to be two differnent responses being posted here.
Which one is it mate? Did u call her a "cute shemale", or just "cute" or just call her a "shemale"?

[smc]

Originally Posted by jmadaf

I think thats where all this discrimination starts is we don't know what to call anybody these days, and say the wrong thing and somebody is offended. And sometimes that is not what we are doing, we are misinformed.

Originally Posted by aussiepride

Yeah I am confused by this thread. Is she offended by the word "cute", or calling her a "shemale". There seems to be two differnent responses being posted here.
Which one is it mate? Did u call her a "cute shemale", or just "cute" or just call her a "shemale"?

Doesn't anyone look at the dates of posts, or at the profiles of members? This question was posted THREE YEARS AGO! The OP hasn't posted anything on this site for more than a year. The OP hasn't been on this site in five months.

And, MOST IMPORTANT, after posting the original question, the OP never once came back to this thread he started and posted anything in response to the discussion he precipitated. That should tell you everything you need to know about why the thread was started in the first place.