Would you ever suck off a guy?

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by someguy2

I'm not debating someone who not only misrepresents my positions, but also makes some of my positions up.

As for Creative's post, it was poorly formatted and a wall of text. If he wanted a response, he should have made it easier to read, and shorter.

At the end of the day you are trying to debate how I feel about trannies, and why I am, and am not attracted to them. It's pretty ridiculous.

What has been misrepresented and what has been made up?

Whatever - about Creative Mind's post. It looks like he went to some trouble to read what you had to say.

At the end of the day don't give a damn WHY you are attracted to Trans*women or what you particularly want to do with one. I'm pointing out that your "real women" comments imply that I and other trans*women are simply fake, fraudulent, deceptive, liars, counterfeit simulations of "real" women. Thus in your mind we are simply men who grew some tits - not a totally incorrect statement.

Couple this with your rather open "disgust" (your word) with the idea of and expression of intimacy between gay men makes me wonder what would happen if you did actually get your butt-sex with a tranny.

I'm not even getting into the actual analysis of your posts and the use of "I'm not PC" as some sort of excuse not to listen to or think about what someone is telling you.

Perhaps a little clarification can help. Why do you think people transition from male to female?

[someguy2]

I'm not debating with you, but I will answer some of your questions. I'm really tired of this topic now.

If I had butt sex with a tranny, I'd thank the tranny, and treat them as I would a woman because that's what they really want. I wouldn't treat them as a girlfriend, but I would treat them like I do other women.

I'm not sure I'd really want to have sex with a tranny anyway. When I'm watching the trannies, I am looking at them as women. In reality, I know they're not the same, so I doubt I could ever have sex with one.

The women I see on my PC, and the women I jack off about don't exist in reality. I use trannies as a way of fulfilling my desires of a real woman with a cock.

When it comes to what I think of trannies. Well I think they are just confused people, or formerly confused people, trying to make their own way in this World just like everyone else.

If the term real girls bothers you so much, I'll stop using it after this post.

[Phenom99]

Originally Posted by Bionca

What has been misrepresented and what has been made up?

Whatever - about Creative Mind's post. It looks like he went to some trouble to read what you had to say.

At the end of the day don't give a damn WHY you are attracted to Trans*women or what you particularly want to do with one. I'm pointing out that your "real women" comments imply that I and other trans*women are simply fake, fraudulent, deceptive, liars, counterfeit simulations of "real" women. Thus in your mind we are simply men who grew some tits - not a totally incorrect statement.

Couple this with your rather open "disgust" (your word) with the idea of and expression of intimacy between gay men makes me wonder what would happen if you did actually get your butt-sex with a tranny.

I'm not even getting into the actual analysis of your posts and the use of "I'm not PC" as some sort of excuse not to listen to or think about what someone is telling you.

Perhaps a little clarification can help. Why do you think people transition from male to female?

Ah, gender definitions.

I've seen that the facilitation of intimacy is based on much more than an assigned "gender". it's about your relationship with that person, about how you and that person's goals and attractions mesh. Whether they are a woman or a man or anything "in between" (referring to the so-called "fake" category of genders being discussed), it's not about that. it's about feelings. I agree with Bionca, in that the alleged "authenticity" of the gender is not what truly matters, but rather what that person emotionally and physically means to you.

I just finished writing a paper about social gender identity. I've really started to do alot of school work with sexuality since i realized that i was both attracted to tgirls and bisexual. lol

[GRH]

Interesting point Phenom, and I agree wholeheartedly. I have to say, I wouldn't limit myself to any one sex/gender. But historically, I've been attracted to women. I'm also attracted to other TG/TS to some extent. And to a limited extent I like men...

But let me expound. With women, I feel I connect emotionally, spiritually, sexually, intimately, and on issues of import. I suspect (I'm hypothesizing) that it would be similar if I were in a relationship with a TG/TS. But with a man...It gets more complicated. With a man, I feel that we might share some similar ambitions or goals, and I have no doubt that I could connect on certain sexual levels. But I don't know if I could ever connect intimately or emotionally the way I do with women, and that is why I feel like it would be weird to kiss a guy, because for me, kissing is a matter of intimacy and not sexual.