Izzy Hilton a real femboy

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by osoroshii

hahaha your funny man, what i was saying is most tgirls out there arnt trying to be woman, nore do they want to be.

I hope some t-girls on this board read this and respond to this. I´d agree if you were talking about crossdressers or transvestites. When someone decides to take hormones, gets boob implants, goes through lots of cosmetic surgeries, then I don´t think it´s just for fun.

i see t-girls as men trying to be woman for the simple fact they still have there dicks.

That´s not enough to be identified as a man. I´m surprised to didn´t learn from all those years being into t-girls. If you´re into men by what I mean you´re gay or bisexual, I can understand your "point of view".

i see the full op ones as woman.

Me, too. Like those with dicks. Fact is, there is a difference, we love them with dicks etc..... but I could never fuck a man. Don´t confuse the terms because a TS is not a man.

and if you want to get all smart which i hope you do! you should understand that dna wise all men are men, and those that choose to change that appearance are still men.

The DNA sequences are not something I jerk off to, otherwise I´d go to laboratories and take pics.

to each there own though i mean if izzy isnt your cup of tea then well who cares. its up to you if you like him or not.

and as for the underage remark, izzys around 20 odd or something.

im sure this forum has something you like.

Yes, you´re right. Sorry for interrupting your thread. I just saw he´s 20. He just looks like 15 on these pics. He, not she.

[osoroshii]

Originally Posted by Cyborg

I hope some t-girls on this board read this and respond to this. I´d agree if you were talking about crossdressers or transvestites. When someone decides to take hormones, gets boob implants, goes through lots of cosmetic surgeries, then I don´t think it´s just for fun.



That´s not enough to be identified as a man. I´m surprised to didn´t learn from all those years being into t-girls. If you´re into men by what I mean you´re gay or bisexual, I can understand your "point of view".



Me, too. Like those with dicks. Fact is, there is a difference, we love them with dicks etc..... but I could never fuck a man. Don´t confuse the terms because a TS is not a man.



The DNA sequences are not something I jerk off to, otherwise I´d go to laboratories and take pics.



Yes, you´re right. Sorry for interrupting your thread. I just saw he´s 20. He just looks like 15 on these pics. He, not she.

i understand you point btw. and i see what you mean. all im saying is most keep there dicks because of the business.
not because they want them.


personally my point of view isnt how its being made out to be, thats not your fault, probably my lack of explanation.

sure theres t-girls out there that see them selfs as woman, and want to be woman so much that they go through these changes to make it so.
these people are very much woman.

its true tho theres a major difference between crossdressers femboys, ladyboys. t-girls.
and the way we each see them depends on our own personal opinion.

im not some straight guy in denial about my sexuality im a bit of a slag that has a thing for pretty things, regardless of a dick there or not. (i call this openminded tho haha).

I wasnt trying to cause a whole argument tho ><

[osoroshii]

you could also see it as
just because someone changes there apearance to look like something or be something doesnt make them what there trying to be. it just makes them look that way.

like that guy who looks like a cat. just because hes got whiskers and his black and yellow tattoo'ed skin doesnt mean hes a cat.

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Originally Posted by Cyborg

See, the problem is not Izzy but guys who pretend to deny their homosexuality. Most of their arguments go like "I´m not gay but I´m into feminity" and this feminity goes so far to jerk off on anything with a wig and lipstick. You could put a wig on one of your friends and fuck him. Oh, it´s just the "feminity". Sorry, I won´t interrupt you again. Peace.

Thanks for clarifying, but your descriptions are still rather crude. Firstly, I think the idea that Izzy is just "anything" in "a wig and lipstick" is wrong, on multiple levels. You're lazily -- and I would say belligerently -- assuming that a "wig and a lipstick" is all one needs to be an "Izzy". Secondly, you're actually assuming Izzy always necessarily wears a wig and dons lipstick, which I think is false. Thirdly, you're assuming that a wig and lipstick is sufficient for others to attain arousal. If denial of one's own homosexuality is wrong to you, what about accusing others of denying it by trivialising sexual attraction and gender issues in order to make an accusation?

Originally Posted by osoroshii

you could also see it as
just because someone changes there apearance to look like something or be something doesnt make them what there trying to be. it just makes them look that way.

Descartes, eat your heart out!

Originally Posted by osoroshii

like that guy who looks like a cat. just because hes got whiskers and his black and yellow tattoo'ed skin doesnt mean hes a cat.

OOOOOH! Existential talk on a porn site!

Seriously, though . . .

He meows, therefore he is.

No, no! Double seriously . . .

Sex and sexual attraction are states of mind. Even without direct contact between individuals, there is a reciprocity between a person who chooses to appear a certain way and another person who chooses to admire and/or objectify that.

If Izzy is simply a boy putting on an "act" -- whatever that actually means -- then I don't see an issue. Nor do I see an issue if she's not a boy who isn't (confusing gender semantics and paradoxes aside!). Some are just seeing Izzy as she presents herself and finding pleasure in that. It doesn't make them conventionally homosexual. We might all be a bit "unconventionally" gay, though! :D

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by TheSkronkDonkey

Thanks for clarifying, but your descriptions are still rather crude. Firstly, I think the idea that Izzy is just "anything" in "a wig and lipstick" is wrong, on multiple levels. You're lazily -- and I would say belligerently -- assuming that a "wig and a lipstick" is all one needs to be an "Izzy". Secondly, you're actually assuming Izzy always necessarily wears a wig and dons lipstick, which I think is false. Thirdly, you're assuming that a wig and lipstick is sufficient for others to attain arousal. If denial of one's own homosexuality is wrong to you, what about accusing others of denying it by trivialising sexual attraction and gender issues in order to make an accusation?

First of all, I do not accuse anyone. Do what you like and have fun because you have every right to do so. But Izzy is not a complex person that requires philosophical polemics: he´s just a boy. All the make-up makes him a drag queen and those are nothing more than men. He might have a very feminine face but his body is definitely masculine and sexual attraction is mostly focused on the body. I was using metaphors when saying "wig and lipstick".

Sex and sexual attraction are states of mind. Even without direct contact between individuals, there is a reciprocity between a person who chooses to appear a certain way and another person who chooses to admire and/or objectify that.

I agree on this but sometimes it´s ambivalent like talking in euphemisms.

If Izzy is simply a boy putting on an "act" -- whatever that actually means -- then I don't see an issue. Nor do I see an issue if she's not a boy who isn't (confusing gender semantics and paradoxes aside!). Some are just seeing Izzy as she presents herself and finding pleasure in that. It doesn't make them conventionally homosexual. We might all be a bit "unconventionally" gay, though! :D

We have a famous actor and entertainer here in Austria called Alfons Haider. He is a man who sometimes dresses up like a woman in his shows and he is also gay. His boyfriend is in a relationship with him because he loves Alfons Haider and not the role he plays when he dresses like a woman. He has no two identities. He is Alfons Haider and everything is a role. Transsexual girls are not playing roles nor do they have different identities. And Izzy is just a boy with a role he enjoys.

[Bionca]

wow - all around wow.

Firstly, if Izzy considres herself a girl - that's all I need. If Izzy considers himself a boy that's all I need. Identity, lived experience, and presentation (in that order) determine gender. Had I never taken any hormones, gotten any surgeries, never put on a dress I'd be just as trans. Just like a drg queen who IDs as a gay guy is still a fey man (not exactly trans*- but close).

The status of a trans*woman's genitalia is her business. Some gals need to reconfigure it, some don't. Some want to but can't afford it or have medical conditions that preclude it. Some could do it but like having it. Some make lots of cash by having it, other simply don't need to have a surgery to feel anymore like a woman. Saying that one t-girl is more legit than another because of the status of her panties is simply dismissive and points to a serious lack of understanding about the realities of trans*women.

I will probably not have any further surgeries. I have no need to do anything to feel more like a woman. I surely don't consider myself a man. Anyone is welcome to state that I am, but should be prepared to tell me how their identity is determined by whatever is happening in their undies.

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Thanks for chiming in on this one especially, Bionca.

You're so eloquent and powerful.

Everything you said is exactly why I have the signature I do.

Sexuality / gender / life ...... these are all things that are infinitely subtle and vast.

[osoroshii]

Originally Posted by Bionca

wow - all around wow.

Firstly, if Izzy considres herself a girl - that's all I need. If Izzy considers himself a boy that's all I need. Identity, lived experience, and presentation (in that order) determine gender. Had I never taken any hormones, gotten any surgeries, never put on a dress I'd be just as trans. Just like a drg queen who IDs as a gay guy is still a fey man (not exactly trans*- but close).

The status of a trans*woman's genitalia is her business. Some gals need to reconfigure it, some don't. Some want to but can't afford it or have medical conditions that preclude it. Some could do it but like having it. Some make lots of cash by having it, other simply don't need to have a surgery to feel anymore like a woman. Saying that one t-girl is more legit than another because of the status of her panties is simply dismissive and points to a serious lack of understanding about the realities of trans*women.

I will probably not have any further surgeries. I have no need to do anything to feel more like a woman. I surely don't consider myself a man. Anyone is welcome to state that I am, but should be prepared to tell me how their identity is determined by whatever is happening in their undies.

See this is exactly what i meant ^-^

i think on some levels were wore both wrong and maybe slightly offending Cyborg.

but i totally agree that sexuality is as closed off for some people because humans made it that way, we make everything so damn complicated.

if sexuality is what you want it to be, then surely you can change what you see your self as sexually.

my point was this, (though i didnt explain it very well.) We can argue over whos a T-girl and whos just some guy dressed like a woman, but we have no idea what that person has on there mind. i think we should see them as they want to be seen.

regardless of what they once where. regardless of what they have below.

Id like to apologize to you Bionca, i hope none of my posts offended you in any way, im a true believer in people have the power to shape there own lifes. there own futures ect.

[new believer]

Originally Posted by Cyborg

First of all, I do not accuse anyone. Do what you like and have fun because you have every right to do so. But Izzy is not a complex person that requires philosophical polemics: he´s just a boy. All the make-up makes him a drag queen and those are nothing more than men. He might have a very feminine face but his body is definitely masculine and sexual attraction is mostly focused on the body. I was using metaphors when saying "wig and lipstick".





I agree on this but sometimes it´s ambivalent like talking in euphemisms.



We have a famous actor and entertainer here in Austria called Alfons Haider. He is a man who sometimes dresses up like a woman in his shows and he is also gay. His boyfriend is in a relationship with him because he loves Alfons Haider and not the role he plays when he dresses like a woman. He has no two identities. He is Alfons Haider and everything is a role. Transsexual girls are not playing roles nor do they have different identities. And Izzy is just a boy with a role he enjoys.

For heavens sake guy's. Everyone chooses their own springboard. In my humble opinion, Izzy is attractive and has a gift of being comfortable applying makeup and being who he(for argument sake) desires to be. Has great photo opts and even if he (see above) is doing it to spoof horny guys or perhaps in preperation for a caberet, let us enjoy the times. At least this is HER shot at immortality. Go for it Izzy.

[TVkurvica]

sooooouuu beautifulll

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by osoroshii

sure theres t-girls out there that see them selfs as woman, and want to be woman so much that they go through these changes to make it so.
these people are very much woman.

All t-girls who undergo psychological treatments and tons of surgeries see themselves as women. That´t not a drag show, dude. Maybe half of them want to get SRS but many refuse because they make their living with the cock. Those who don´t want to be women are simply men living their feminine sides as crossdressers, drag queens or transvestites. Most of them are just gay men.

its true tho theres a major difference between crossdressers femboys, ladyboys. t-girls.
and the way we each see them depends on our own personal opinion.

This is true. I´m not trying to force on you my understandings and views. Everything, not just these things, is a matter of subjective perspectives. The best example to stay on topic are the different tastes we have about girls. As I said, I´m not trying to change your mind but I think every t-girl would be offended if you call her a man who pretends to be a woman. Take it at least as a friendly warning from another admirer.

im not some straight guy in denial about my sexuality im a bit of a slag that has a thing for pretty things, regardless of a dick there or not. (i call this openminded tho haha).

I wasnt trying to cause a whole argument tho ><

I don´t think I´m straight either. Being into t-girls showed me that sexuality is too complex to think in categories. There was a time when I thought I´m straight but today I´m more relaxed about it and live my life. I don´t think I´m gay or bi either since I´m into guys but screw the categories, they don´t explain anything about a person. Some "ultra-straight" dudes would probably laugh at me and call me a fag if they found out that I like t-girls because they see nothing but men in t-girls and are victims of their own lack of knowledge and understanding.
I don´t wish to take this role and treat you like that because you´re attracted to this Izzy guy but he´s definitely not a t-girl. He is probably just a gay guy who doesn´t go this dressed up to school or to work.