"Real Girls"

[jimnaseum]

Jeez, Bionca, real + $5.00 = $5.00

When it comes to sex, all men are pigs, every "real" woman knows that. If you go to the trans bar I guarantee you can get fucked every night. You need to find a guy you really like. If it's real it's real. Even Librarians have sex.

You have a really good head on your shoulders but you're like a broken record with this Mr. Wrong mantra. Maybe you think you deserve more than the regular person sexually because of all the crap you've been through. Make peace with your parents and find the guy thats looking for a girl like you
-Jim Landers

[transjen]

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

[FoxySarah]

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

I am so glad I live in a country tolerant enough that the Law Enforcement actually upholds the law equally for everyone.

[racquel]

Originally Posted by FoxySarah

I am so glad I live in a country tolerant enough that the Law Enforcement actually upholds the law equally for everyone.

Yeah, Canada's such a utopia!

Last time I was in Windsor, Canada, it made Detroit look like a tolerant place.

Seriously, cops are all assholes. The only cop I've ever met who's actually a nice guy is my probation officer, but he's a retired cop ... I think he's just trying to make up for having been an asshole in the 90's.

A cop refusing the file a police report for you? That's nothing. Last time I got arrested he did file a report, and it was totally full of lies.

[FoxySarah]

Originally Posted by racquel

Yeah, Canada's such a utopia!

Last time I was in Windsor, Canada, it made Detroit look like a tolerant place.

Seriously, cops are all assholes. The only cop I've ever met who's actually a nice guy is my probation officer, but he's a retired cop ... I think he's just trying to make up for having been an asshole in the 90's.

A cop refusing the file a police report for you? That's nothing. Last time I got arrested he did file a report, and it was totally full of lies.

Oh yes, of course, how could I forget. Every cop is an asshole. No exceptions. Silly me.

As for Windsor, I would say that's because they have thier own police force. In Canada, there are city cops, which only have jurisdiction in their own city limits, and there are the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) Which have jurisdiction anywhere that's Canadian soil. In my experiance, city police tend to have more assholes on their payroll, and the RCMP tend to be more tolerant. Either way though, I've never had any real difficulties with the police. Canada really is quite tolerant. We're one of the few countries that allow same-sex marriage, and the Canadian Forces medical plan will pay for SRS for soldiers that wish to transition. Seriously, you can't get much more tolerant than that!

[racquel]

Originally Posted by FoxySarah

the Canadian Forces medical plan will pay for SRS for soldiers that wish to transition. Seriously, you can't get much more tolerant than that!

Whoa! Maybe I should move to Canada.

Seriously, in the US cops really are totally corrupt. I have a friend who went to the police academy, and another friend who works for the highway patrol, and to hear them talk it's actually worse than you'd ever think.

Last time I got pulled over for speeding, the cop called me ma'am then noticed it said "Sex: M" on my license ... and let's just say things went downhill fast.

In the US we even have laws that you can't sue the police. If a cop runs into you, your insurance has to pay for it. I've talked to several lawyers who said they hear the most fucked up stuff all the time, and normally it would be easy to win a lawsuit for discrimination, sexual harrassment, or even assault, but if it was the police doing it they'll flat out tell you that there's no way you can win in court unless you were seriously injured by the police and went straight to the ER and filed a report.

[fatbloke]

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

I'm so sorry to hear that Jen,it is a really sad inditement on todays socierty.It's the 21st century and attitudes are still the same as they have been for 1000's of years,regarding race,gender whatever,the human race is still a bunch of small minded,self serving bunch of c****.
I wish there was something positive that i could say,but folks is folks,they are not going to change.
Next time rip the bastards nuts off and dispose of the body,you would be better off.
Take care,ony

[BigToy4Asia]

Wow, Bionca - thanks for speaking out. Your words really had an impact on me. I believe I truly understand what you mean and how you feel. You make so much sense - I really hope you have challenged all of us on here.

Thank you.

[BigToy4Asia]

TransJen, how insecure was that creep??!! How utterly pathetic he should think he was better than you by beating the crap out of you.
Makes me feel sick to the stomach!
A pathetic, losing creep who is too weak to face up to his feelings.

As for the police, my God... We have along way to go in this world..

[cyba]

When it comes to sex, all men are pigs, every "real" woman knows that.

Inane sh*t Jim. Where on earth did you get that idea?
Ah, from the women you know.
I won't use the 'generalisation' word.
Damn. Whaddya know. I have.

[randolph]

If I was hitting on a woman in a bar, I would want to know if she was transsexual right away, not after we got into bed. If she was transexual, I would not lose interest, in fact it would excite me, I like mystery.
I would love to have an experience with a beautiful transsexual woman. Yes, I would love to love her like a woman and suck her female cock. Biologically, Its basically a very well developed clitty.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by fatbloke

It's the 21st century and attitudes are still the same as they have been for 1000's of years,regarding race,gender whatever,the human race is still a bunch of small minded,self serving bunch of c****.

Th sad thing is, this is a fairly recent development within the last couple of thousand years in most of the west, prior to that we often had a recognised and respected place in many cultures. In some further east that christianity had less of an effect on, we still do.

[orion]

Hi Amy ..

That's very true .. in fact I was thinking only last night about the special place held by Transgendered people in Native American culture (remember the film "A Man called Horse") ??

Certainly within the Sioux Nation & I believe to an extent within the Cheyenne people .. the Transgendered were accorded special status ..

The subsequent "Western" persecution of the Transgendereed & Gay communities can be laid firmly at the door of the Church ... though in reality they have little to gripe about ..

One of their most revered Saints (Joan of Arc) was probably Transgendered .. or if not, then certainly was "XYY" chromosome afflicted ...

Surely, in 2009 the world is a big enough place for us all to co-exist .. if not exactly in "peace" then at least in tolerance ?????

Bye for now,

Orion ..

[twistedone]

I would have filed a report anyways, against the cop. Then raised holy hell with the press and anyone else I could to embarrass the cop and the police force. There is absolutely NO justification for anyone to beat the crap out of anyone. PERIOD!!

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

This is exactly what I was trying to bring up. The idea that we are either not "real"/valid women or our intention is one of deception fuels so much emotional and physical distress and even abuse for us. Unfortunaely, so much of the sex industry that makes money off of Trans* bodies uses this same language and imagery. I don't expect porn to be anything more than a means to make money... on the other hand, are amputee fetish sites billed as "hot gimp action"? or is the tag line "He thought she had a leg until the pants came off. - Crip Deception at it's finest."

It isn't so much that guys dump me for chicks that cane give them babies, it's that these guys feel they are justified to deny my identity and/or feel like my honesty is actually deception (always after I've given up the goods).

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by Bionca

This is exactly what I was trying to bring up. The idea that we are either not "real"/valid women or our intention is one of deception fuels so much emotional and physical distress and even abuse for us.
It's that these guys feel they are justified to deny my identity and/or feel like my honesty is actually deception (always after I've given up the goods).

BIONCA:

Jen is a peach, but she has unintentionally left out from her first telling that she was making-out w/ the guy, and accepted going to his place. Drinking may have been involved. When they continued in private, he finally went into her panties, and things changed when he found a sausage and not a donut.

I agree that she should have been able to file a complaint, BTW.

Care to add a sentence or two w/ this wrinkle involved?


Piece,


TAL

[transjen]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

BIONCA:

Jen is a peach, but she has unintentionally left out from her first telling that she was making-out w/ the guy, and accepted going to his place. Drinking may have been involved. When they continued in private, he finally went into her panties, and things changed when he found a sausage and not a donut.

I agree that she should have been able to file a complaint, BTW.

Care to add a sentence or two w/ this wrinkle involved?


Piece,


TAL

Here we go i met the guy at a pool hall that my friends and i stoped at to play pool, The guy took a liking to me and we started chatting he smeaned very nice and wanted to shoot a game with me and i agreed, My friend who drove me there had to leave so i said ok, The guy then offered to drive me home if i wanted to stay longer and i aggreed to finish the game, We left the pool hall got in his car and he asked where i lived and asked if i minded if he stops by his place first because he had something to attend to, So we stoped at his place and he invited me in we sat down and talked some more then he kissed me and started feeling me up I started backing off then and he got on top of me and that's when his hand reached into my panties and all hell broke loose he started smacking me and calling me a GD FAIT , I kneed him in his sack then made a run for it and ran to a 7-ELEVEN where i called the cops, When he got there i told him what happend and he then asked why the guy called me a fait when i told him everything changed he nolonger cared what happend to me. Now a few people said i should have went to the police chief and the papers, I decided against for two reasons if i filed a complaimt agianst the cop i would have then been a big target for every cop in the area and going to the papers whould have told the world i'm transgendered at the time i was 22 years old and was only living full time for 4 months so i just learned a big leason and moved on with my life Jennifer

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by transjen

Here we go i met the guy at a pool hall that my friends and i stoped at to play pool, The guy took a liking to me and we started chatting he smeaned very nice and wanted to shoot a game with me and i agreed, My friend who drove me there had to leave so i said ok, The guy then offered to drive me home if i wanted to stay longer and i aggreed to finish the game, We left the pool hall got in his car and he asked where i lived and asked if i minded if he stops by his place first because he had something to attend to, So we stoped at his place and he invited me in we sat down and talked some more then he kissed me and started feeling me up I started backing off then and he got on top of me and that's when his hand reached into my panties and all hell broke loose he started smacking me and calling me a GD FAIT , I kneed him in his sack then made a run for it and ran to a 7-ELEVEN where i called the cops, When he got there i told him what happend and he then asked why the guy called me a fait when i told him everything changed he nolonger cared what happend to me. Now a few people said i should have went to the police chief and the papers, I decided against for two reasons if i filed a complaimt agianst the cop i would have then been a big target for every cop in the area and going to the papers whould have told the world i'm transgendered at the time i was 22 years old and was only living full time for 4 months so i just learned a big leason and moved on with my life Jennifer

JEN:

I thought you meant this other story from a week ago. Sorry, I was referring to the other story.

My first time as Jennifer was not fun, I meet a guy at a party and he didn't know i wasn't all female and he put the moves on me and stupid me i went back to his apartment where we necked for awhile and he started feeling me up but when he slid his hand up my skirt he found out i was still a male and he wasn't very happy i think you can see where this is going and he smacked me around before he up my ass, Needless to say i didn't enjoy it at all Jennifer


Piece,


TAL

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

BIONCA:

Jen is a peach, but she has unintentionally left out from her first telling that she was making-out w/ the guy, and accepted going to his place. Drinking may have been involved. When they continued in private, he finally went into her panties, and things changed when he found a sausage and not a donut.

I agree that she should have been able to file a complaint, BTW.

Care to add a sentence or two w/ this wrinkle involved?


Piece,


TAL

Pretending that I hadn't read Jen's reply above - no I wouldn't have added anything. The reason for the assult was the same - she was perceived by her attacker as not being a "real" woman at best, an intentional deceiver at worst. The reaction of the cop implying that he assumed she was being deceptive, thus bringing the violence on herself. This line of reasoning is caled the "gay/trans panic" defence and is quite popular because it works to get men (who have often had continued relations with trans*women) off the hook or reduced sentences for violence/murder of trans*women and gay men (see Angie Zapata and Matthew Shepherd).

I know you aren't tryng to say that violence is justified, but so often people - even other trans*folks will assume that a gal wasn't being honest about her status, denounce the violence, then say she kinda had it comming anyway. I wonder what the public's reaction would be if women started beating the snot out of men who lied about their cock size...

[puck]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Pretending that I hadn't read Jen's reply above - no I wouldn't have added anything. The reason for the assult was the same - she was perceived by her attacker as not being a "real" woman at best, an intentional deceiver at worst. The reaction of the cop implying that he assumed she was being deceptive, thus bringing the violence on herself. This line of reasoning is caled the "gay/trans panic" defence and is quite popular because it works to get men (who have often had continued relations with trans*women) off the hook or reduced sentences for violence/murder of trans*women and gay men (see Angie Zapata and Matthew Shepherd).

I know you aren't tryng to say that violence is justified, but so often people - even other trans*folks will assume that a gal wasn't being honest about her status, denounce the violence, then say she kinda had it comming anyway. I wonder what the public's reaction would be if women started beating the snot out of men who lied about their cock size...

Bionca,
I'm not sure that is the same thing (cock size). If a woman is out with a guy, she believes he HAS a cock, and when a guy is out with a woman, he believes she DOES NOT HAVE A COCK, and when he finds out, he is going to feel he has been mislead (at the very least), and not be very pleasant about it. Some people are going to BE violent because the world teaches us that that is the response we should have when we are decieved.
If you bought a corvette and they drove out a ford after you signed the papers, you'd be mad too. I understand the problem, but the guy who doesn't know that the "real" woman is not, is simply not going to go with the program. That is simply asking too much of human nature.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by puck

If a woman is out with a guy, she believes he HAS a cock, and when a guy is out with a woman, he believes she DOES NOT HAVE A COCK...

???

When I date a woman I most certainly expect her to have a cock. But I wouldn't beat her up if she didn't.

H

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by puck

Bionca,
I'm not sure that is the same thing (cock size). If a woman is out with a guy, she believes he HAS a cock, and when a guy is out with a woman, he believes she DOES NOT HAVE A COCK, and when he finds out, he is going to feel he has been mislead (at the very least), and not be very pleasant about it. Some people are going to BE violent because the world teaches us that that is the response we should have when we are decieved.
If you bought a corvette and they drove out a ford after you signed the papers, you'd be mad too. I understand the problem, but the guy who doesn't know that the "real" woman is not, is simply not going to go with the program. That is simply asking too much of human nature.

Interesting you would assume that a trans* woman who is murdered is being deceptive. That a man is somehow justified in murder in this case. That the reasoning for that justification is "boys will be boys".

I am 100% honest with the guys I date (so was Angie). I have have been assaulted by those guys. Next time I date a guy with the same level of reasoning and respect as you have shown I should be justified in at the very least beating the shit out of him for being deceptive.

[new believer]

Originally Posted by Bionca

This is exactly what I was trying to bring up. The idea that we are either not "real"/valid women or our intention is one of deception fuels so much emotional and physical distress and even abuse for us. Unfortunaely, so much of the sex industry that makes money off of Trans* bodies uses this same language and imagery. I don't expect porn to be anything more than a means to make money... on the other hand, are amputee fetish sites billed as "hot gimp action"? or is the tag line "He thought she had a leg until the pants came off. - Crip Deception at it's finest."

It isn't so much that guys dump me for chicks that cane give them babies, it's that these guys feel they are justified to deny my identity and/or feel like my honesty is actually deception (always after I've given up the goods).

1st, why do you hate being braver than the guys you date? It will be your bravery that will change the world.
Sorry about your being beaten up, been there. Only I was beaten up by five guys who did not like the attention I got from their girlfriends. I was new to the area,had long hair and enjoyed being 'cool'. No I wasn't gay nor was I a fem-boy. Just different. That that out of the way, and forgive my ignorance, But what 'title(s)' do shemales give to 1)natural born women, 2)the 'straight' community/world, & 3)....sorry, lost my train of thought. I do that at times because I think faster than I type. Anyway, people are either assholes or not. Don't ever let the world beat you down. The strength shemales display shows through everyday by merely keeping on. The conviction shown through the operations, doing the everyday chores in public, helping others with their problems while still living with your own, shows lessons the rest of the world should learn. Those,my dear lady, are only a few of the reasons why I am a new admirer to your 'world'. NB

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by new believer

1st, why do you hate being braver than the guys you date? It will be your bravery that will change the world.
Sorry about your being beaten up, been there. Only I was beaten up by five guys who did not like the attention I got from their girlfriends. I was new to the area,had long hair and enjoyed being 'cool'. No I wasn't gay nor was I a fem-boy. Just different. That that out of the way, and forgive my ignorance, But what 'title(s)' do shemales give to 1)natural born women, 2)the 'straight' community/world, & 3)....sorry, lost my train of thought. I do that at times because I think faster than I type. Anyway, people are either assholes or not. Don't ever let the world beat you down. The strength shemales display shows through everyday by merely keeping on. The conviction shown through the operations, doing the everyday chores in public, helping others with their problems while still living with your own, shows lessons the rest of the world should learn. Those,my dear lady, are only a few of the reasons why I am a new admirer to your 'world'. NB

I hate being braver than the guys date because *I* get to catch crap while they are hidden from view. I'm daling with being trans all day every day, the guys seem to bail at the first hint that their friends may suspect (for example). You do bring up a few good questions...

1) if a distinction needs to be made cis (non-trans) is good, "GG" for Genetic Girl works, I personally like "Natal Women".
2) "the strait world" works. Alsom lots of trans women go "stealth" and just live in the "strait world" as women, so "home" would also work.

I don't like seeming like I'm constantly down on you guys. When you take the time time to try to "get it", you become special and wonderful. So many of the guys who post here have/are at least trying to "get it" and I don't think I express anough how much I appreciate that. I wouldn't still be posting here if it wasn't the case.

[ila]

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Jen is a peach, but she has unintentionally left out from her first telling that she was making-out w/ the guy, and accepted going to his place. Drinking may have been involved. When they continued in private, he finally went into her panties, and things changed when he found a sausage and not a donut.

I agree that she should have been able to file a complaint, BTW.

Care to add a sentence or two w/ this wrinkle involved?

The guy may have been disappointed or even downright pissed off, however that is no reason to smack around anyone. Assault is still assault and as far as I know it is illegal to assault anyone in the U.S.

The police are there to take action against criminal acts and in Jen's case the cop should have taken action. If the cop took no action then he should have been charged under the applicable law for not doing his duty. All persons are equal under the law so it should not matter who the parties are that are involved. Police are not judges so they have no right to decide who will be afforded protection under the law.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

The same thing happened to me several years back. He probably would've beaten me to death if his neighbor hadn't come out to see what all the noise was.

Originally Posted by racquel

Seriously, cops are all assholes.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

BIONCA:

Jen is a peach, but she has unintentionally left out from her first telling that she was making-out w/ the guy, and accepted going to his place. Drinking may have been involved. When they continued in private, he finally went into her panties, and things changed when he found a sausage and not a donut.

I agree that she should have been able to file a complaint, BTW.

Care to add a sentence or two w/ this wrinkle involved?


Piece,


TAL

Oh, so just because he was dissapointed that gives him every right to beat her. Seriously, if a guy is dissapointed with his date (whether TG or GG) after he takes her home; he should simply escort her to the door, not beat her senseless.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by tslust

Oh, so just because he was dissapointed that gives him every right to beat her. Seriously, if a guy is dissapointed with his date (whether TG or GG) after he takes her home; he should simply escort her to the door, not beat her senseless.

I did not say he had the right to beat up anybody.

I made no comment on it at all.

I left that open for Bianca to comment.

I don't believe anyone has the right to beat up anyone else for most reasons. To clarify, there are exceptions, like if your life is threatened and you have no other choice.

Please, both of you, ask B4 jumping to conclusions.


Piece,


TAL

[ila]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

I did not say he had the right to beat up anybody.

I made no comment on it at all.

I left that open for Bianca to comment.

I don't believe anyone has the right to beat up anyone else for most reasons. To clarify, there are exceptions, like if your life is threatened and you have no other choice.

Please, both of you, ask B4 jumping to conclusions.


Piece,


TAL

I didn't say that you said anyone had the right to beat up anyone else. I quoted your post as you had asked for comments and had I not quoted it there could have been confusion as to what I was referring to in my post.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by ila

I didn't say that you said anyone had the right to beat up anyone else. I quoted your post as you had asked for comments and had I not quoted it there could have been confusion as to what I was referring to in my post.

ILA:

Sorry.


TAL

[new believer]

Originally Posted by ila

I didn't say that you said anyone had the right to beat up anyone else. I quoted your post as you had asked for comments and had I not quoted it there could have been confusion as to what I was referring to in my post.

Maybe the surest way to find out if a guy really wants to get it on and not want to beat the tar out of anyone, is when he shows an interest in a shemale (ask him in a very public place,and in a joking term) what would he do if a guy wanted to swap spit with him. His expression or answer might just tell you what you need to know. A few of your friends nearby might help.

[mikelovesweed89]

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

thats messed up but don't worry he'll get his. paybacks a bitch

[Hui!]

Originally Posted by transjen

Happend to me awhile ago, A guy i met beat the crap outta me when he found out i wasn't a "real girl" When i tried to report it i got a rude awaking from the "real cop" when he found out i was transgendered he said it was my fault for teasing the poor guy and he had every right to smack me around and he hoped i learned my lesson and refused to file a report, Jennifer

First time I was with a shemale (about 15 yrs ago), it was a blind date surprise kind of thing. Went to dinner, went dancing, drinks, coffee and ice cream after. Get to her place and she turned the lights off, wouldn't take off the panties, no touchie me there. Came to the realization when she wouldn't let me touch her what would have been vagina. So, I just played along and fucked her anyways. Didn't bother me a bit. Looking back though, she should have been upfront with me. We both would have had better sex.

Next day my Dad asked how the "big" date went. (He watched me get ready) I told him the truth about the TGirl. He asked, "so what did you do when you found out?" I told him I shot my load in her ass. He laughed long and hard out loud and asked two questions: "how was it", and "did you wear a condom?" He was a good dad.

[caderevjak]

that cop and jerk need a little lesson in manners

Jennifer I'm sorry for what happened to you. Any man that hits a women is not a man. Besides you are so beautiful inside and out. I agree this world has a long way to go.
XOXOX respect

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Jeez, Bionca, real + $5.00 = $5.00

When it comes to sex, all men are pigs, every "real" woman knows that. If you go to the trans bar I guarantee you can get fucked every night. You need to find a guy you really like. If it's real it's real. Even Librarians have sex.

You have a really good head on your shoulders but you're like a broken record with this Mr. Wrong mantra. Maybe you think you deserve more than the regular person sexually because of all the crap you've been through. Make peace with your parents and find the guy thats looking for a girl like you
-Jim Landers

It's a forum Jim. A place to rant and rave. The broken record crack sounds hurtful. As do the next 2 lines.

[jimnaseum]

Hurtful? This is High School 101.
EVERY GIRL IS GOING TO BE JUDGED
In High School, there was one #1 girl. Prom Queen, Homecoming Princess.
Great breeding, genes. The perfect wife and mother. She would go on to marry the quarterback or Mayor's son and never let him down.
And then there's #6, #25, #268. This is how guys think from prehistoric times. Being a woman is no picnic.
As far as cops go, they peel people off windshields in horrible traffic accidents, that's why they don't like speeders and drunks. They also go to very painful domestic violence incidents with children screwed for life because of idiot parents. All cops are big on FAMILY.
No disrespect for Bionca. I probably misunderstood her post anyway.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Hurtful? This is High School 101.
EVERY GIRL IS GOING TO BE JUDGED
In High School, there was one #1 girl. Prom Queen, Homecoming Princess.
Great breeding, genes. The perfect wife and mother. She would go on to marry the quarterback or Mayor's son and never let him down.
And then there's #6, #25, #268. This is how guys think from prehistoric times. Being a woman is no picnic.
As far as cops go, they peel people off windshields in horrible traffic accidents, that's why they don't like speeders and drunks. They also go to very painful domestic violence incidents with children screwed for life because of idiot parents. All cops are big on FAMILY.
No disrespect for Bionca. I probably misunderstood her post anyway.

<-----This is what Bianca needs

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Make peace with your parents and find the guy thats looking for a girl like you
-Jim Landers

Well, the parents are a no-go. Once I grew some boobs they made it very clear they didn't want a daughter and haven't returned any attempts to communicate. I'm living SECRETLY with my brother because he's afraid that they will freak out on him too and (for whatever reason) wants to have active grandparents for his kid. Last I heard they didn't even have any pictures of me on the wall in the house *shrug*

Also, I only look for guys looking for gals like me. I have no desire to have that type of conversation with someone - one of the reasons I still only go dancing at gay clubs, won't date guys from work, give guys who ask a fake phone number ... I have no reason to trust that some random dude who hits on me isn't going to freak out (even if he says he doesn't care).

[jimnaseum]

I'm not a woman in a man's body, but a couple years ago I did find out I have a malfunctioning pitutitary gland, which kind of puts me in the soup.
As kids, we had a pact not to let our parents know anything that would lead to doctors or drama.
I still don't understand why guys looking for girls like you would be dismissive or whatever with you, even after they've shot their load. What's not to like?
I really do appreciate your patience and understanding, I'm sure you have all the problems that life comes with as well as a few more. Some of my favorite weekends have gotten me beaten up, confused, broke, and very very tired.
Hope this Kwissmuss finds everyone a little closer to God, wherever that is......

[DL_NL]

I've often noticed that guys here- and on other internet forums as well- don't seem to care about how they treat t-girls. They're no more than objects of desire to them, why bother treating them as humans with feelings? That really annoys me.

As for Transjen: do you live in the US? If so, geez... there's a lot of work left to get your country out of the sexual Dark Ages. And judging by some people's responses I doubt if it'll ever happen.

[fatbloke]

There is one thing i have noticed while being on this site,most of the guys who post here are just here for the fact that thy like to get off over shemales,for want of a better word,there seems to be no respect,just complete lust.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by DL_NL

As for Transjen: do you live in the US? If so, geez... there's a lot of work left to get your country out of the sexual Dark Ages. And judging by some people's responses I doubt if it'll ever happen.

Yes i do, But i do want to point this out it doesn't matter where you live this stuff happens to T-girls all over the world not just in the US, Please note i'm not putting down any country or state i'm just stating a fact, Yes in some place we are treated and accepted a lot better then in other places but no matter where you go you find a certen kinda of mentality that wants us locked away out of site out of mind because we don't fit in there way the world is supposed to be according to them, Neil Young said it very well" i don't feel like satan but i am to them" Jennifer

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Well, the parents are a no-go. Once I grew some boobs they made it very clear they didn't want a daughter and haven't returned any attempts to communicate. I'm living SECRETLY with my brother because he's afraid that they will freak out on him too and (for whatever reason) wants to have active grandparents for his kid. Last I heard they didn't even have any pictures of me on the wall in the house *shrug*

Also, I only look for guys looking for gals like me. I have no desire to have that type of conversation with someone - one of the reasons I still only go dancing at gay clubs, won't date guys from work, give guys who ask a fake phone number ... I have no reason to trust that some random dude who hits on me isn't going to freak out (even if he says he doesn't care).

Dear Bionca,
I really appreciate your comments and the comments by Fran and other Tgirls. I must admit I joined this forum to look at shemale images and feel horney. I imagined that transexuals were somehow more sexually endowed than genetic women. I had no idea that transitioning was so difficult and even dangerous, in addition to the loss of family support. I am sure you have heard the old story that when God created man he didn't provide enough blood to run the brain and penis at the same time.
I hope you will soon find the love you deserve.
Take care.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by randolph

Dear Bionca,
I really appreciate your comments and the comments by Fran and other Tgirls. I must admit I joined this forum to look at shemale images and feel horney. I imagined that transexuals were somehow more sexually endowed than genetic women. I had no idea that transitioning was so difficult and even dangerous, in addition to the loss of family support. I am sure you have heard the old story that when God created man he didn't provide enough blood to run the brain and penis at the same time.
I hope you will soon find the love you deserve.
Take care.

This post has been tumbling around in my head for a little while. The tone sounds almost like an apology (as do a number of posts here). There is no need to apologize for being sexually aroused by a trans*woman - shoot, I'm rather fond of it when a guy is aroused by this transwoman. There is also no need to apologize for men in general - since the topic on this thread absolutely passes to non-trans women. Some of the MOST vicious things directed to me and my friends (as well as more famous trans*) have been from natal women. Women are probably more critical of gendered presentation than men are (ask any natal woman who was tall, chunky, a tom-boy who was meaner boys or girls).

So, sure T-gals get disrespected front and back from a little slice of everyone. The battles over using public restrooms for example ... oh man. It's not just a guy thing and it's not just a sex thing. Liking trans* bodies and arousal is probably a good thing. Understanding that we are more and less than guys with tits is critical.

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Some of the MOST vicious things directed to me and my friends (as well as more famous trans*) have been from natal women. Women are probably more critical of gendered presentation than men are (ask any natal woman who was tall, chunky, a tom-boy who was meaner boys or girls).

I have come to believe that (natal) women are generally more tolerant towards homo-sexuality than men. Your comment therefore comes as a complete surprise to me, Bionca.

Personally, I have nothing but admiration for the courage and perseverance that you and many other transsexual women are showing. In fact, even though you're not into women, I would love to have you as my friend.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Well, the parents are a no-go. Once I grew some boobs they made it very clear they didn't want a daughter and haven't returned any attempts to communicate. I'm living SECRETLY with my brother because he's afraid that they will freak out on him too and (for whatever reason) wants to have active grandparents for his kid. Last I heard they didn't even have any pictures of me on the wall in the house *shrug*
.

Same here my dad and brother wants nothing to do with me and as far as they are consered i don't exist, My mom is having a very hard time dealing with it but at least she is willing to talk to me, My sister blames herself long story there but short verson she caught me trying on her cloths and she just let me wear them in secert i think she liked the idea of having a little sister but she is blaming herself because i'm Jennifer now, Keep try to reach out hopeful one day they will come to terms with it, When your family turns there back on you that is the hardest slap ever but i'm affraid it happens all too offen, Try this i had my therapist talk to my mom and that broke the ice a little and started us talking agian Jennifer

[new believer]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Well, the parents are a no-go. Once I grew some boobs they made it very clear they didn't want a daughter and haven't returned any attempts to communicate. I'm living SECRETLY with my brother because he's afraid that they will freak out on him too and (for whatever reason) wants to have active grandparents for his kid. Last I heard they didn't even have any pictures of me on the wall in the house *shrug*

Also, I only look for guys looking for gals like me. I have no desire to have that type of conversation with someone - one of the reasons I still only go dancing at gay clubs, won't date guys from work, give guys who ask a fake phone number ... I have no reason to trust that some random dude who hits on me isn't going to freak out (even if he says he doesn't care).

Okay, I see your points. But really think about it. If you feel you always have to be braver, blah blah blah, then your in for a rough ride. You accepted this life earlier because you felt it to be right. People will accept you because they feel it to be right. All those who just 'accept' you only as objects of desire, well that's what they feel. Sooner or later that feeling can possibly bloom into something greater. But don't jump ahead of me on this. DO be careful of 'dates' even GG's have to be. Do make a point of developing a 'knowing' relationship before a physical one. And the guys who bail, let them. their not worth it anyway. I feel I must defend some married guys as well as to refreshen your memory, as with even a dating couple, a girl(GG or TRANS) or guy will want to keep a certain amount of secrecy because they may want to see if the relationship is first worth the effort or 'lost' of their current mate. Not everyone meets, falls in love and stays together from the first. it's called growing up and moving on (and most times to the better). You seem to be having a rough time out there. From your posts, you seem like a really beautiful person. Please don't let the bad get to you. Your destined to make someone out there a very happy person. Enjoy yourself as you would as a teenager but with adult knowledge. If I could relive my life with what I know now, Boy would I be someone else. NB

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I'm really not fond of non-trans women being called "real" girls, or for that matter trans women being referred to in the feminine with quotes around the pronouns

Originally Posted by Bionca

Also, I only look for guys looking for gals like me.

Ok, so it does seem that you distinguish between gals like you, and gals who are not like you. Shall we refer to "real" girls from now on as gals unlike Bionca? Or do you have any other suggestions for terminology we should use when talking about "real" girls with people who don't know Bionca?

[franalexes]

hmmmmmm, maybe girls you can knock up and gurls you shouldn't knock down. No?

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Ok, so it does seem that you distinguish between gals like you, and gals who are not like you. Shall we refer to "real" girls from now on as gals unlike Bionca? Or do you have any other suggestions for terminology we should use when talking about "real" girls with people who don't know Bionca?

Curious you would quote only to make half-assed snarky comments. How about the bit where I mentioned that when a distinction needed to be made (indiating that in some cases a distinction would be appropriate) use of a term that implied deception or invalates to a Trans*woman's identity would be appropriate.

Making a distinction where personal safety could be compromised is simple self preservation. I happened to give some suggestions about terms to use, you could always go back a read them. Perhaps you have some you think would be more appropriate?