Would a TS escorting rule out romance?

[smolderingtemptress]

If you get infected with an STD, would you stop hooking, or would you choose to continue despite the risk of spreading what you got? If you got infected by a client, would you tell them? What about the person you're in a relationship with? What would happen to your "business"?

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

If you get infected with an STD, would you stop hooking, or would you choose to continue despite the risk of spreading what you got? If you got infected by a client, would you tell them? What about the person you're in a relationship with? What would happen to your "business"?

If you were losing an argument, and saw that your position was crumbling beneath your feet, would you fight dirty? Don't try to divert the spotlight squarely fixed on you and your remarks, which supposedly come from a member of the TS community.

Your questions are aimed at a person's character, not one's vocation. The question itself is laden with insult and I have no obligation to be put in such a defensive posture. Not to you. Your questions say more about you and your convoluted cartoon-like impression of escorts in today's modern world.

Fact is, I provide a service. I know that blows your theory but that escorts are lowly bottom-feeders. Fact is, I defy the norm having been a succesful corporate professional turning my back on it for a different life. A life that affords me more free time, more money, more autonomy. What dignity is there in the corporate world anyway? Isn't it a dog-eat-dog world? Aren't people expendable and isn't the idea of job security a joke? What are the great benefits to being a player in the 9 to 5? And do people really hold their head high in bumper-to-bumper traffic after a miserable day's work and say, "I will be remembered for this." LOL, it is a fucking hamster wheel and the corporate world is the hamster cage. Try to draw outside the lines for once and go now, hurry up, you'll be late for church.

[smolderingtemptress]

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual. You're being just as insulting, as if morality is old news, and I suppose a good work ethic has gone away with that as well. You took the easy way out and you're surprised when someone disagrees with it. Not all of us are going to be pinned down like that, as much you think we should "work with what we got" as it's said, because sex and fantasy fulfillment are not the only things we're capable of. Don't you see? Any man with a 9-5 may be handing you their paychecks, but at the end of the day you're just the prostitute he went to on the side, more than likely not wanting anyone to know about you. Empowering to know you're reduced to a bottom shelf paper bag? You are a bottom feeder, you had a legitimate career but you were too lazy to hold anymore ambition.

Oh, and I don't even go to church.

[ila]

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual.

I wonder, smolderingtemptress, why you think that society expects transwomen can only be escorts. I expect a transwoman will be what she wants to be and go as far as her capabilities will take her. Most other people are the same in that they will be what they want to be and go as far as their capabilities will take them.

Melissa has said that she is an escort and she likes it. That is her decision and I'm sure no one told that is all she is capable and expected of doing. I'm not sure why you feel that you are being negatively impacted because of what Melissa has chosen to do. My only advice to anyone would be to get on with your own life and worry less about what others have chosen to do with their's. The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by ila

I wonder, smolderingtemptress, why you think that society expects transwomen can only be escorts.... Melissa has said that she is an escort and she likes it. That is her decision and I'm sure no one told that is all she is capable and expected of doing. I'm not sure why you feel that you are being negatively impacted because of what Melissa has chosen to do. My only advice to anyone would be to get on with your own life and worry less about what others have chosen to do with their's. The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.

Well, just for the record that's not entirely true. The original question asked by Melissa was (quote): "If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?"

So, just as a philosophical aside, there is this to consider: Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect. However, by asking us to give our opinions on this topic, it does "reflect on us" because now everyone is sharing their personal feelings or their own deeply held convictions on things -- such as how they feel about escorting or sex work overall, not to mention revealing how they'd react emotionally if confronted by this situation. After all, that was the whole point of the question to begin with.

So, yes, all of our answers here do reflect on us since we're each stating what we believe in.
And that's about as much of a reflection as you can get.

[ila]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Well, just for the record that's not entirely true. The original question asked by Melissa was (quote): "If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?"

So, just as a philosophical aside, there is this to consider: Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect. However, by asking us to give our opinions on this topic, it does "reflect on us" because now everyone is sharing their personal feelings or their own deeply held convictions on things -- such as how they feel about escorting or sex work overall, not to mention revealing how they'd react emotionally if confronted by this situation. After all, that was the whole point of the question to begin with.

So, yes, all of our answers here do reflect on us since we're each stating what we believe in.
And that's about as much of a reflection as you can get.

You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you. Nor does her choice of what she does reflect on who you are, what you are, or what you do. No one forms an opinion of you based on what Melissa does.

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by ila

You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you. Nor does her choice of what she does reflect on who you are, what you are, or what you do. No one forms an opinion of you based on what Melissa does.

She formed an opinion of me based on my disagreement with her choice of profession.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by ila

You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you. Nor does her choice of what she does reflect on who you are, what you are, or what you do. No one forms an opinion of you based on what Melissa does.

It's not a reach at all -- it's just you siding with Melissa and not even getting the point that I was making.
In fact, you ultimately ended up AGREEING with me, Ila.

You just said (quote): "You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you."

Well, compare that to what I actually said before (quote): "Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect."

Gee, seems to me I said the exact same thing!
So what are you bitching about?!

Nowhere in my posts did I condemn Melissa FOR being an escort. All I did was answer her original question. And for the record, here's my answer again: I think most guys would want the PRETTY WOMAN movie ending. Given this particular dramatic scenario (as postulated by Melissa), a guy would meet a TS...they'd fall in love...but once he found out that she was working as an escort, he'd want her to give up her job -- whether she found something else to do or whether he supported her himself -- so their romance could continue on. And so it would be on far more stable emotional ground. Period, end of story. That's my opinion, and I think most guys...on average...would feel that way.

And for the record, that's NOT even an indictment on someone who chooses to work as an escort. That's not a pro or con statement on the profession. Frankly, what it IS a statement about is the emotional state of most guys. That most guys wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that their significant other was a sex worker. Hell, we're talking about your lover working as an escort -- about her actually having sex with other people. Most guys I know who have even dated strippers or cam girls, who simply take their clothes off and get naked for other guys (and no sex is involved) likewise want their GFs to quit their jobs once the romance turns serious. That's just the way it normally goes for most guys.

Now, Ila, if you want to side with Melissa in everything she says and does, that's fine. That's YOUR choice and it's you voicing YOUR opinion based on YOUR beliefs about what's right and wrong. In the end, it's a reflection of YOUR personal standards and what YOU believe in.

Which was exactly the point of my post, which you missed completely.

Bottom line again: Melissa asked us all a question, the answer to which ultimately revealed each of our own moral standards and beliefs. That was the whole POINT of her question -- which is why it was a fun question to begin with. Not because it had a right or wrong answer, but because the answer that each person gave would ultimately say and reveal something about THEMSELVES.

So, I stand by what I said. HOW we all answered IS a reflection on each of us because it reveals what we EACH believe.

[entwcu]

it depends girl!

[randolph]

Dear Melissa,
I think you are very intelligent and very sexy. So here is a little story for you.
I am traveling East to give a talk to a global warming conference. I contact you and arrange to take you out to your favorite restaurant. I meet you and and you have on a sleek black silk chemise dress (very short). We enter the restaurant and all the men turn and look at you, much to the annoyance of their wifes. We enjoy some fine wine and excellent seafood. Then we return to the hotel and enter my room, I lock the door and hug and kiss you. I open a bottle of champaign and we sip bubbly while looking at each other. You say, what do you want to do? I say, I would like to watch you take off that dress. You loosen the shoulder straps and allow the dress to drop to the floor revealing your shapely body. You remove the light bra you were wearing, revealing you lovely puffy shemale titties. I look at your panties and full of shemale goodies. By now I am beside myself with lust. I kneel down and push my face into your crotch feeling the warmth of your goodies inside your panties. I slowly pull down your panties and watch your lovely cock rise to the occasion. I kiss it on the tip and a drop of precum appears. I lick it up and begin loving your cock with my tongue and stroking the shaft. You encourage me to continue and I eagerly oblige. Soon you grasp my head with both hands and begin rapidly thrusting your throbbing cock in and out of my mouth. Suddenly I feel your hot sweet cum spurting into my mouth, I eagerly suck it up and swallow every drop. Umm delicious! As you finish cumming I carefully lick up every drop of your oozing cum. Meanwhile, my cock is dripping precum anxiously awaiting you wet lips.
We spent the night embraced in sound sleep. In the morning we hug and kiss, arrange for a meeting after the conference and I head out to give my talk feeling ten years younger.

Originally Posted by randolph

Dear Melissa,
I think you are very intelligent and very sexy. So here is a little story for you.
I am traveling East to give a talk to a global warming conference. I contact you and arrange to take you out to your favorite restaurant. I meet you and and you have on a sleek black silk chemise dress (very short). We enter the restaurant and all the men turn and look at you, much to the annoyance of their wifes. We enjoy some fine wine and excellent seafood. Then we return to the hotel and enter my room, I lock the door and hug and kiss you. I open a bottle of champaign and we sip bubbly while looking at each other. You say, what do you want to do? I say, I would like to watch you take off that dress. You loosen the shoulder straps and allow the dress to drop to the floor revealing your shapely body. You remove the light bra you were wearing, revealing you lovely puffy shemale titties. I look at your panties and full of shemale goodies. By now I am beside myself with lust. I kneel down and push my face into your crotch feeling the warmth of your goodies inside your panties. I slowly pull down your panties and watch your lovely cock rise to the occasion. I kiss it on the tip and a drop of precum appears. I lick it up and begin loving your cock with my tongue and stroking the shaft. You encourage me to continue and I eagerly oblige. Soon you grasp my head with both hands and begin rapidly thrusting your throbbing cock in and out of my mouth. Suddenly I feel your hot sweet cum spurting into my mouth, I eagerly suck it up and swallow every drop. Umm delicious! As you finish cumming I carefully lick up every drop of your oozing cum. Meanwhile, my cock is dripping precum anxiously awaiting you wet lips.
We spent the night embraced in sound sleep. In the morning we hug and kiss, arrange for a meeting after the conference and I head out to give my talk feeling ten years younger.

WOW is all I can say. My favorite line:

Your puffy shemale titties

I'm having implant surgery next week so you may need to change your description.

Melissa

[cuminmyass]

It wouldn't bother me at all. I would actually enjoy it if she came home a little 'messy', if you get where I'm going with that.

[q1a2z3]

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

Originally Posted by q1a2z3

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

thats almost funny, except its not. And I don't smoke or wear wigs. Your stereoptypes have contributed so much to the dialogue.

[q1a2z3]

Originally Posted by q1a2z3

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

1. Words have gender - People have sex.
2. You need to look up the definition of Fascism.
3. Just because someone believes they are Napoleon doesn't make him (or her) Napoleon. Ronald Regan may have let the mentally ill out of the hospitals, but the judges are falsely providing the mentally ill with legal definitions where there are no scientific ones. People are sick of sick judges and have passed prop 8 in California.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by q1a2z3

1. Words have gender - People have sex.
2. You need to look up the definition of Fascism.
3. Just because someone believes they are Napoleon doesn't make him (or her) Napoleon. Ronald Regan may have let the mentally ill out of the hospitals, but the judges are falsely providing the mentally ill with legal definitions where there are no scientific ones. People are sick of sick judges and have passed prop 8 in California.

I'm curious what your point being here is.. seriously..

1) words have gender..indeed they do - people have sex.. sure. People also have identity that includes gender. People also have biological sex that is not neatly classified (XXX and XXY for example)

2) I think Melissa's assessment of your post was pretty spot on

3) Ahh.. so my understanding of myself is a mental illness? Gay folks seeking legal recognition of their relationships is mental illness? Trolling Message Boards on the Internet is....???

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by q1a2z3

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

1) Sure, I suppose... or I'll just stick to my own doctor, or get a gynocologist if I decide to have SRS
2) One of the lovely things about taking hormone therapy is, well, is stops male pattern baldness. You can keep the rogaine
3) Yeah, lots of folks smoke.
4) See #2
5) WTF?
6) People are not genetically identical. I also didn't know that having to take a pee in the middle of the night was exclusively a man-thing. My mom would be amazed.

[sultryNnYs]

Wow, after reading through most of the comments in this thread I'm amazed to see people flaming other people for their opinion. I know I'm new to this forum and I have not read Melissa's story yet, but flaming someone for an opinion seems to be going to far.

If a person chooses to do a certain job - read this correctly, chooses - then that's a choice they make. But, the "sex industry" has a strange reputation either way you look at it. From what I saw so far on this forum though, and I came here for a reason, there's a bigger want for tgirls then there are tgirls around. So I think we should be glad there are girls out there who stomach the sometimes "far fetched" fantasies some men have out there.

On the other hand, if somebody is against doing escort work, the moral blah aside, it's their opinion. They may have the wrong arguments but be realistic, if you react strongly, it'll only provoke more blah and will not change their minds. (not withstanding that you're making the correct point of course )

To answer the original question: I have not been in the situation myself so I cannot say anything conclusively really. I trust though I'm open minded enough to accept it as a part of my partners life. Just as I hope that she will accept that I work 12 hours a day So the answer would be the option "it shouldn't"

Well, before this turns into a book I hope that the surgery went as you hoped Melissa and you're recovering from it well.

[asefase1]

i've only been a member for a couple of days, and it was by accident from what i googled. but i've recently, while exploring the site, been discovering some interesting topics, like this one. not like i'm any kind of expert, but i think there's a fine line between escort and prostitute. i don't know the mechanics, but i know sex in exchange for money is involved in both. so i wonder if the pay is good enough before the sex (in the case of escorting, obviously) that it's easy enough to give up upon entering a meaningful relationship. it's kind of cliche to say that sacrifices need to be made in a relationship, compromises i understand. i think that most people who are in the escort business rarely fall for a client, though i could be wrong. maybe a similar situation would be porn stars falling for each other. there would be a concern for the average person in a relationship with a professional. trust can only go so far and it is different on a case by case basis. some people habitually lie. that being said, you can't really have a rule of thumb for every relationship. some people can be trusted while others can't. it may be contingent on the magnitude of the feelings each in the relationship have for one another. obviously each person will react differently to the news that their mate works in the profession, and some who are in the profession are more easily capable of compartmentalizing their feelings when doing their jobs. to accept it or not is actually only part of the question that should be asked, what is also a factor in this sort of situation is how genuine each person's feelings are for the other in the relationship, regardless of the genders involved. it can only be on a case by case basis. sorry if that raised more questions than it answered

[asefase1]

i realized that i didn't actually answer the question. i wouldn't be able to accept this part of my mate's life because i am a possessive person and feel that kind of attention should be reserved only for the person you love. some people are less jealous than me in a relationship, but since when i fall for someone, i dedicate all my heart to that person, i feel that if it's meant to be it will be a mutual deication. sorry if that disappoints anyone, but like i said, that's just me. it's different on a case by case basis

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual. You're being just as insulting, as if morality is old news, and I suppose a good work ethic has gone away with that as well. You took the easy way out and you're surprised when someone disagrees with it. Not all of us are going to be pinned down like that, as much you think we should "work with what we got" as it's said, because sex and fantasy fulfillment are not the only things we're capable of. Don't you see? Any man with a 9-5 may be handing you their paychecks, but at the end of the day you're just the prostitute he went to on the side, more than likely not wanting anyone to know about you. Empowering to know you're reduced to a bottom shelf paper bag? You are a bottom feeder, you had a legitimate career but you were too lazy to hold anymore ambition.

Oh, and I don't even go to church.

I am first and foremost an artist & writer. My vocation, and I guess I need to repeat that word seeing as you don't understand (my job, how I pay the bills, my money-making apparatus), is not my career.

I'm playing into nobody's hands. Yea, I am the chick with a dick Mr. Businessman comes to see secretly. And yea, that's how I make my money and here's the point Mr. thick-as-a-brick-can't-see-my-third grade level-point: it doesn't matter how you make money. It doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, highbrow or lowly, it only matters that you make it.

It's what you do after you make the money that matters. For me, painting, writing, selling my art, running, cooking, being in love...these are the things I fill my days with. This is what matters to me. But you don't know that because you never took the time to read my story or visit my website. You thought you could trash me on a discussion board because I had the gumption to announce my vocation as escort. And show not only my face, but my name, my hometown and my personality. There's nothing anonymous about me. Unlike you. Do you know how worthless your words appear coming from a blank facelss profile?

I play into nobody's hands, they play into mine. I know thats hard for you to accept because it blows a gasket in your life-comprehending device and then you would have to admit your views of society are mis-aligned. This is anything but the easy way out. What's the "hard way"? You have yet to cite one intrinsically valuable thing about doing the 9 to 5. There is nothing more dignified about sucking up to a boss and being a wage slave than spreading your legs for a half hour with a stranger.

Morality as history shows us, is constantly redefined but you can't see that because you get your values from an old issue of Reader's Digest. You should go to church, you fit right in with those zombies.

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

I'm playing into nobody's hands.

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

I play into nobody's hands, they play into mine.

How many times have you repeated that to yourself before you started to believe it? What feelings did you have to kill before you became comfortable making a living sucking off strangers?

Originally Posted by ila

The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.

The problem is, ila, that ts escorts DO reflect upon the rest of us. We're already a marginalized and misunderstood minority, and if this forum is any indication, seen largely as a sexual fetish. Prostitution is a plague in our community, because all too often young tgirls just starting out have no one to look to for advice besides these women, like Melissa, who take it upon themselves to paint a glamorized portrayal of escorting without even taking into account all the risks involved. Sure, it pays the bills, but at what price?

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

How many times have you repeated that to yourself before you started to believe it? What feelings did you have to kill before you became comfortable making a living sucking off strangers?


The problem is, ila, that ts escorts DO reflect upon the rest of us. We're already a marginalized and misunderstood minority, and if this forum is any indication, seen largely as a sexual fetish. Prostitution is a plague in our community, because all too often young tgirls just starting out have no one to look to for advice besides these women, like Melissa, who take it upon themselves to paint a glamorized portrayal of escorting without even taking into account all the risks involved. Sure, it pays the bills, but at what price?

Oh ok so your also a psychologist, lol. I cannot believe, and I don't think I'm alone here, that you could view prostitution as a plague. You ought to be living in the crusades or the Salem witch trials, you are compassionless besides being faceless.

And what is your hang up with this role-model nonsense, why would I give a rat's ass about young tgirls and advice I should be giving them? LOL now you are showing how out of touch you really are. Do you think anyone gave me advice? Do you think there is even a template for this journey??

You are in the wrong league, Mister, you're showing up at a gun fight with a knife. You've shown these readers nothing but an empty opinion to go along with your empty profile. At least I explained my position and illustrated my opinions with real-life ideas. You saw this thread as an opportunity to call me a whore but I stood up and refused to be abused. You espouse your archaic ideaology like "prostitution is a plague", lol what a sack of shit. You back it up with nothing.

I own your ass on this thread. Game over Melissa 1, this anonymous-piece-of-shit-called-smothering-whatever ZERO.

[smolderingtemptress]

Why would anyone want to see girls turn into prostitutes? Honestly.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

And what is your hang up with this role-model nonsense, why would I give a rat's ass about young tgirls and advice I should be giving them? LOL now you are showing how out of touch you really are. Do you think anyone gave me advice? Do you think there is even a template for this journey??

You are in the wrong league, Mister, you're showing up at a gun fight with a knife. You've shown these readers nothing but an empty opinion to go along with your empty profile. At least I explained my position and illustrated my opinions with real-life ideas. You saw this thread as an opportunity to call me a whore but I stood up and refused to be abused. You espouse your archaic ideaology like "prostitution is a plague", lol what a sack of shit. You back it up with nothing.

I own your ass on this thread. Game over Melissa 1, this anonymous-piece-of-shit-called-smothering-whatever ZERO.

Wait a minute -- now I'm confused. It was one thing to be debating the notion of escort work and could you (or couldn't you) have a relationship with a so-called "working professional girl." That's one thing. But, Melissa, why wouldn't you give a rat's ass about other people? Certainly about any fellow T-girls or as Bionca called them in a previous post "all your fellow sisters"?

You seem a bit angry in so forcefully declaring "Why would I give a rat's ass about young T-girls and advice I should be giving them? Do you think anyone gave me advice?" Well, perhaps that's true. Perhaps no one did give you any advice. Perhaps you had to make this journey on your own and you had many obstacles to overcome. But having done it and having reached this point in life -- where you say you're happy with who you are, and that you enjoy the money you're making as an escort or doing your art and all that -- it seems to me that now you're being a bit harsh.

Sorry, but here's my two cents worth.
In the end, the world breaks down into two types of people...

TYPE 1: Those who had a rough time in life, trying to climb certain ladders or open certain doors, and who were left a bit angry about the way the world treated them -- and thus they feel the next person coming up the ladder or trying to open a door, trying to make it in the world, should have to go through the same bullshit and pain. In short: "Hey, if I had to put up with the bullshit, so do you!!!"

VERSUS

TYPE 2: Those who had a rough time in life or met certain obstacles, and who now want TO HELP the next person in line. Who want to TURN their life experiences into a learning tool to help and spare the next person all of that same pain. In short: a person who wants to use their life to make things better and easier for the next person in line.

Melissa, in your own words, you may feel that you "own this thread" because you believe in your escort career choice, but I hardly think you own this thread on a more human level IF you really don't give a rat's ass about any other T-girls and the plights they are facing. IF you don't care about them facing persecution or societal rejection or even for their feelings as they possibly find their hearts broken on a daily basis. I HOPE that's not how you really feel, and that you just misspoke above in a moment of haste.

After all, isn't the truest measure of us as human beings...of our true worth...being how we help each other? That we DO give a "rat's ass" about each other?

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

Yea, I am the chick with a dick Mr. Businessman comes to see secretly. And yea, that's how I make my money and here's the point Mr. thick-as-a-brick-can't-see-my-third grade level-point: it doesn't matter how you make money. It doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, highbrow or lowly, it only matters that you make it.

It's what you do after you make the money that matters.

Well, while I wish you well in life on a humanistic level and you have the right to make your own choices, Melissa, I wouldn't go THAT far. Personally, I think it does matter if money is earned "legal or illegal." And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be allowed to hide behind the all-encompassing blanket excuse of "It only matters that you make it. It's what you do after you make the money that matters." I mean, that's certainly an incredibly slippery slope of conditional morality -- perpetually convenient only to the person and not showing any responsibility to anyone else or to society as a whole.

For example, I'll use an example that I used before: what about a guy who peddles drugs to young kids at a local school yard? Apply your own equation to that. That guy is making his money by doing something illegal. And in terms of the cash he's pocketing, he's living by your other rule that it only matters that you make it. So completely following through with what you said -- "It's what you do after you make the money that matters" -- are you actually telling us that if he now uses that money to take his elderly mom out for dinner on Mother's Day that THAT made peddling drugs to little kids okay? That because he did something nice for his mom after the drug sale, THAT justified his actions?

Now, on the other hand, maybe what you were simply trying to say is that there are some things that you believe SHOULDN'T be illegal -- such as escorting. Maybe it's your personal belief that more communities should legalize sex work, that it shouldn't be an illegal trade. That would be a different argument and one I could accept more willingly or intellectually than a blanket statement that it doesn't matter AT ALL how someone makes their money, just that they make it. In other words, that the ends ALWAYS justify the means. I think most people would find that viewpoint to be rather extreme or going a bit too far.

Morality, as history shows us, is constantly redefined but you can't see that because you get your values from an old issue of Reader's Digest. You should go to church, you fit right in with those zombies.

Well, that's a whole other argument. History has shown us that people might be more forgiving of things, but overall it's far more interesting to note that historically morality hasn't changed much at all. I mean, personality traits such as being lazy or lecherous or a drunk were looked down on in ages past, and they still are now. And certainly more serious things such as thievery and murder were not tolerated then, nor are they now.

So, I would argue that morality hasn't changed, but rather how we deal with any perceived transgressors. In times of old, you might have stoned to death or hung a murderer versus today that person might still be put to death (depending on how heinous the crime was), only today you might also have anti-capital punishment people arguing to simply lock the person away for the rest of their lives.

As for people who believe in God or hold certain higher beliefs, I wouldn't necessarily label them "zombies." Much like you've made certain choices in life and would like people to respect you for them...or at least allow you to practice them...why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? Or be allowed to believe in certain things without your open mocking? Otherwise you're now showing how intolerant you can be as well, at which point the wheel just spins around and intolerance continues to be the norm. And then no one is served since the cycle just keeps going on and on...

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Personally, I think it does matter if money is earned "legal or illegal." And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be allowed to hide behind the all-encompassing blanket excuse of "It only matters that you make it. It's what you do after you make the money that matters." I mean, that's certainly an incredibly slippery slope of conditional morality -- perpetually convenient only to the person and not showing any responsibility to anyone else or to society as a whole.

Isn't it funny how people rise to their highest moral levels on these discussion boards? These are the same people who cut you off in traffic, find your wallet and keep your money, talk behind a co-worker's back for their own personal gain, take a vow to be faithful then cheat routinely, see a homeless person approach for money and ignore them....and yet suddenly here I am face to face, on a porn discussion board of all places, with St Francis of Azzizi.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

For example, I'll use an example that I used before: what about a guy who peddles drugs to young kids at a local school yard? Apply your own equation to that. That guy is making his money by doing something illegal. And in terms of the cash he's pocketing, he's living by your other rule that it only matters that you make it. So completely following through with what you said -- "It's what you do after you make the money that matters" -- are you actually telling us that if he now uses that money to take his elderly mom out for dinner on Mother's Day that THAT made peddling drugs to little kids okay? That because he did something nice for his mom after the drug sale, THAT justified his actions?

A truly retarded example. Nowhere do I advocate the abuse of children or violence against another human. So if you have to be technical about it, allow me to qualify my statement and say, "as long as your business does not involve the abuse of/or violence towards others." Jeez, spare us the bullshit.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Now, on the other hand, maybe what you were simply trying to say is that there are some things that you believe SHOULDN'T be illegal -- such as escorting. Maybe it's your personal belief that more communities should legalize sex work, that it shouldn't be an illegal trade.

No, thats not what I was saying. I can speak clearly and form sentences on my own, thank you. No, it is better that escorting is illegal. There's more money and less competition. And I'll put my fine ass up against any of the competition. I'm the number one rated girl in New Jersey and some say the East Coast.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Much like you've made certain choices in life and would like people to respect you for them...or at least allow you to practice them...why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? Or be allowed to believe in certain things without your open mocking? Otherwise you're now showing how intolerant you can be as well, at which point the wheel just spins around and intolerance continues to be the norm. And then no one is served since the cycle just keeps going on and on...

I don't need to show tolerance to this twit. I asked a question to the group and was personally attacked by this individual. I only need to defend myself, which I do quite well. I buried that con artist, he's shown the readers nothing of substance. He called me a plague. A plague. Re-read his words. Now how's that for mocking? Address that intolerance and stop being dorky and misdirecting your arguments. Target the target not the victim.


CreativeMind, so far the only creative thing I see from you is a complete misdirection of your criticisms.