What do you think about who makes violence on the animals?

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

on the subject of fur i have to say if the mink have been ethicly farmed and killed i don't see what the problem is, i don't agree with animal cruelty or hunting for fun, or the killing of any indangered species for any reason. but if someone is happy to eat meat or wear leather from one kind of farmed animal i don't see how they can have a problem woth fur.

I tend to agree with the basics of your statement here. The issue is exactly "ethicly farmed", as you mention. And that applies to every aspect also animals raised for the clothing industry.

[The Conquistador]

I only approve killing animals for 2 reasons
1)Survival as in food or for clothing(They usually go hand in hand)
2)For the good of people(such as a rabid or pissed off animal on a rampage or for finding a cure for life threatening ailments)

Anything other than that such as killing an animal for your own gratification only proves that you are a sick fuck who needs to be taken off of gods green earth.

[dirty30]

I mean you guys lost me here,i don't get it.??????????????????????????

[ila]

Originally Posted by dirty30

I mean you guys lost me here,i don't get it.??????????????????????????

This is the General Discussion forum. The purpose of which is:

"It's intended for chatting about everything EXCEPT shemales."

[Arthur]

The vegetarian is being savaged by the Lion on the African Savanna, turning helplessly to the game hunter he cries "do something, help me". The gamehunter puts two bullets into the vegetarian and puts him out of his misery, leaving the Lion to feast on the body. The game hunter was later reported to have said "It's what he would have wanted".

We could all live on a vegetarian diet, it would be better for our health and the health of the planet. When it comes to killing animals, as that little tale(tail)illustrates, you have to be careful what exactly you wish for. There are times when it is beneficial. I would draw the line on testing for cosmetic reasons which are the result of pride (see a lion pun), but when it comes down to health, or a natural inbalance (funny how animal cruelty is Ok when your house is infested with rats).

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I tend to agree with the basics of your statement here. The issue is exactly "ethicly farmed", as you mention. And that applies to every aspect also animals raised for the clothing industry.

I hunt deer and pheasants. My Father hunted and I pass the traditions down to my sons. We eat what we harvest. Anyone who eats meat or wears leather is just having someone else do the dirty work for them. We find joy and excitement in the hunt as our ancesters did. We love getting back to nature and being out in the woods away from the rat race of society. I dont see why some people think it's ok to eat a farm raised animal but not harvest a wild one. Mankind has been a hunter since we first walked in a bipedal fashion. We are meant to be omnivores not herbivores. If some people cant understand it well I doubt if I can change your mind.

[Alvoris]

No violence on animals - any crimemaker has to be in a prison!

[Bionca]

I have been a vegetarian since I was 15. It is a strictly personal decision based on the fact I could not actually bring myself to kill the animal I was eating. I grew up on a farm and was literally devastated when I figured out that the animals we raised were food - Every spring I'd go out and give each of the new calves a name and they were like pets. So when I was 12 and old enough to help out with the slaughter it was like I was killing my friends. By 15 I simply couldn't bring myself to eat meat.

All that said, I have no issue with others eating meat. It makes dinner complicated in relationships with non-vegetarians *shrug*

[ila]

Up until my late teens I hunted and fished regularly. We were a non-affluent family and if I did not hunt and fish then we did not have anything more than vegetables to eat. I make no apologies to anyone for this. It was a matter of survival. I will say though that I never went hunting for the "sport" of it. It was always for something to eat. I used to go out with my friends and the agreement among us was that if we shot or snared anything we had to eat it. I have not hunted for many years now. It is not due to a change of conscience, but rather due to a change of financial circumstances. I would also rather not jump through all the hoops that one must do now in order to hunt.

[ila]

Originally Posted by ila

I will say though that I never went hunting for the "sport" of it.

Originally Posted by Rachel

We wait for a clean, sure shot in order to put an animal down as quickly and as humanely as possible. And yes, we do it for fun. The so called "sport" of it.

I should clarify my "sport" remark. What I mean by that is that I don't like to see someone go hunting just so they can hang up a set of antlers on their wall. If someone goes hunting for the primary purpose of eating what they catch or kill then I respect that.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by ila

I should clarify my "sport" remark. What I mean by that is that I don't like to see someone go hunting just so they can hang up a set of antlers on their wall. If someone goes hunting for the primary purpose of eating what they catch or kill then I respect that.

I love deer antlers. They are natures art. No 2 sets alike. They all are treasures to behold to me and hold memories. Guess thats like having a big mounted fish on the wall? I look up at the wall and the memories of hunts past flood through. In late winter I walk the woods looking for shed antlers. Havent found any yet but I know people who have.

[sesame]

I had been a vegetarian for 13 years. Indeed, this choice of food habit made my social life quite complicated. So I chose to be a non-veg and mingle with the rest of the 99.9999% of the population. In a dinner table people treated me as if I were an alien from Andromeda!
Anyway, I am considering Vegetarianism again (just because). I have no grudge against the meat eaters. Its a very ancient ethnic habit for human beings. We were hunters and gatherers in prehistoric times, remember? I have visited ancient tribes who live deep in the wilderness. For them, to be a hunter and live off the forest is the most natural thing. I totally agree with them and have great respect for their wild wisdom. Actually they are more natural beings than us. Urban people exploit nature and contaminate her knowingly or unknowingly. While, those ethnic hunters live in harmony with their ecosystem.

But yes, I disagree with those Jap whale hunters, Polar seal hunters, Tiger poachers who are hell bent on exterminating the most beautiful animals on Earth for Big Money! Let them be born as sewer rats in the next life.

[Rachel]

Now fishing... that is some real animal cruelty. We take a live fish or bug and impale it on a hook and send it out to swim around in a hopes of getting a larger fish to eat him. I love fishing by the way.

[ila]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Now fishing... that is some real animal cruelty. We take a live fish or bug and impale it on a hook and send it out to swim around in a hopes of getting a larger fish to eat him. I love fishing by the way.

I've never used live bait when I was fishing. I have used bacon rind and frozen minnows, but mostly just used a lure without any bait.

[Rachel]

Now cruelty to animals that is a whole nother subject. Bullfighting very cruel, yet socially acceptable in Mexico and Spain. Dogfighting and cock fighting theres another. Pointless animal experimentation I dont care for. In high school we had to dissect these frogs. Poor froggie never had a good life. To me that was wasteful and not respectful of life. I respect the game I hunt and teach my children the same ethics. We wait for a clean, sure shot in order to put an animal down as quickly and as humanely as possible. And yes, we do it for fun. The so called "sport" of it. We find it challenging to pit ourselves against the wits of a wily deer. They have better senses then we do and a few extra ones too.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by Rachel

I hunt deer and pheasants. My Father hunted and I pass the traditions down to my sons. We eat what we harvest. Anyone who eats meat or wears leather is just having someone else do the dirty work for them. We find joy and excitement in the hunt as our ancesters did. We love getting back to nature and being out in the woods away from the rat race of society. I dont see why some people think it's ok to eat a farm raised animal but not harvest a wild one. Mankind has been a hunter since we first walked in a bipedal fashion. We are meant to be omnivores not herbivores. If some people cant understand it well I doubt if I can change your mind.

I don't think my statement was in any way a criticism of people who hunt. It was certainly not intented to be. As long as the same ethical rules apply I cannot find any thing what so ever morally wrong with hunting or fishing.

[jimnaseum]

On my birthday two years ago I hit a deer in my car, right at dusk, curving down a hill. Two images in my head, one was the deer looking at me eye to eye, with the headlight shining up onto it's head, like a perfect photo of death, then, hooves upside down flying away from my car. It happened so quick, just a THUD and that frozen picture of a deer's head out of nowhere.
I grunted a little reaction right afterward, but to be honest, the car didn't swerve, there was nothing I could do, and it was more of a mental shock than a spiritual one.
I am middle of the road on hunting, medical experiments, rats, and hamburgers. In China they eat dogs, my sister has spent like $3,000 on her cat! (medical bills) But in general, anyone who is cruel to animals is sick. Like Jeffrey Dahmer sick.