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[sesame]

Originally Posted by ShemaleFan_UK

Credit where credit's due.

Anna, dear, thats probably would be the best answer to your statement. The modern world maintains a poor image of the muslims and tend to forget what their contributions are. I criticised them above but I'm not blind to the good things that came from 'em.
Dont say that you are unaware of the fact that History has been twisted and turned according to the convenience of the Dominating nation. It has most often been a Political Propaganda rather than the undoctored truth. Think of the medieval church and the atrocities they inflicted upon the free thinkers. Consider how the Nazi expounded the twisted idea of the Aryan supremacy as a race and used it to their advantage. Consider the Aryan Invasion bullshit as postulated by the British scholars. Is it History as it is or History rewritten?

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

And the idea that Muslims invented fighting on horseback is rather bizzare, considering the epic cavalry battles of the Roman empire, the Romans went up against everything from British chariots to Hannibal's elephants on horseback. Maybe your thinking of horseback archery, which they didn't invent, but were very proficient at.

Right; They were not necessarily muslims that faught on horseback, consider them as pre-islamic Persians then. But they were the desert people who learnt to use horses as a mobilising technique in ancient warfare. You cannot predate Greek cavalry to Persian cavalry, remember Darius the great? 550BC.
Hannibal(247BC). The earliest Assyrian fighters, Persuma (early Persians) and Medes came from 850BC.

[sesame]

Long before the Iron Age, right in the middle of the Bronze Age, men fighting on horseback (cavalry) became the deciding factor for victory in warfare. Light horse-drawn chariots were used by the Sintashta-Petrovka warriors of Central Asia and nomadic Indo Iranians around 850 BC or earlier . And Greeks even learn to ride the first horse around 750 BC. [see the Greek timeline image below]
The horse driven chariot was soon adopted by the Pharaohs of the New Kingdom of Egypt as well as Assyrian and Babylonian ruling class.

Cavalry techniques were invented by Nomadic Horsemen of the Central Asian and Indo Iranian tribes such as the Persians, Parthians, Sarmatians and Aryan Ksatriyas. See the inscription dated 860 BC.

[ila]

Originally Posted by sesame

Cavalry techniques were invented by Nomadic Horsemen of the Central Asian and Indo Iranian tribes such as the Persians, Parthians, Sarmatians and Aryan Ksatriyas. See the inscription dated 860 BC.

There is no proof that these people invented cavalry techniques. There is only proof that they used cavalry.
The tribes that came out of the Asian steppes were all mounted. Since there is no written history of these tribes before contact with the Chinese, Persians, and Greeks there is no way to verify when they first started using horses and cavalry tactics. Quite possibly they were using cavalry long before any of the "civilized world" were. So to say that the Persians, Pathians, Sarmatians, and Ksatriyas invented cavalry tactics is at best unproved. Quite possibly they did. The only thing that can be said for certain is that they were early adopters.

[sesame]

As the Persians, Indo Iranians & Indo Aryans have mounted horses or used chariots in war at around 860BC, its a simple equation that they were the inventors. They were the first in known history to do it.

If others have invented it before that, they must have used their horses to squeeze oil from mustard seeds in some prehistoric oil-mill!

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Originally Posted by sesame

As the Persians, Indo Iranians & Indo Aryans have mounted horses or used chariots in war at around 860BC, its a simple equation that they were the inventors. They were the first in known history to do it.

If others have invented it before that, they must have used their horses to squeeze oil from mustard seeds in some prehistoric oil-mill!

They were the first to record that they used horses and chariots in war. That doesn't necessarily make them the first to use horses. I will grant you that they were more than likely the first ones to use chariots in war. But just because they were the first to record that they used horses in war doesn't necessarily mean they were the first. The tribes of the Asian steppes were illiterate and therefore there were no written records of their achievments and inventions. It is still quite possible that they were the first to use horses in war. One must remember that the tribes of the Asian steppes include Mongolians, Turks, and Huns. They were all quite accomplished riders when they invaded the middle east and Europe.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Assigning ancient Persian, Asyrian and Babylonian inventions to Muslims is as ridiculous as assigning ancient Greek and early Roman inventions to Christians.

This is another case of assigning all middle eastern inventions to Islam, in a way that we just wouldn't stand for with any other religion.

Remember that the Persian religion was Zoroastrianism, until they were invaded by the Muslims, just as Europe was Pagan until they were forced to convert by Constantine.

We should not plunder the achievements of ancient civilisations to inflate the importance of our modern civilisations. Thier culture was much different from ours and we shouldn't try and recast thier cultures in the image of our own. Don't do a reverse 300.

Anna.



p.s. All Religion sucks! Notice how when Europe was more religious than the Middle East, Europe had the dark ages, and the Middle East had a golden age, and now the Middle East is more religious, and Europe is secular, it's the other way around. Coincidence? Methinks not!

[sesame]

SluttyShemaleAnna, my friend,

Originally Posted by S*S*Anna

p.s. All Religion sucks! Notice how when Europe was more religious than the Middle East, Europe had the dark ages, and the Middle East had a golden age, and now the Middle East is more religious, and Europe is secular, it's the other way around. Coincidence? Methinks not!

Bravo, Anna . Thats a great observation. I agree with you on this one. Blinding oneself with Religion and giving Reason no scope can indeed lead to a decline for the followers.

Now for some hot combat! Yeay!

Originally Posted by sesame

Right; They were not necessarily muslims that faught on horseback, consider them as pre-Islamic Persians then.

That said, why do you think this way?

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Assigning ancient Persian, Asyrian and Babylonian inventions to Muslims is as ridiculous as assigning ancient Greek and early Roman inventions to Christians.
This is another case of assigning all middle eastern inventions to Islam, in a way that we just wouldn't stand for with any other religion.

I have given credit as the earliest (860BC) users of Cavalry and Horse-driven -Chariots to the Persians, Indo Iranians & Indo Aryans, not the muslims. Muslims came much later. Islam was started by prophet Mohammad in his 40th year at 610 AD. So between earliest cavalry and the youngest Muslim, there is a difference of 1470 years !

So Anna, cool down... do you like cold coffee?

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Assigning ancient Persian, Asyrian and Babylonian inventions to Muslims is as ridiculous as assigning ancient Greek and early Roman inventions to Christians.

This is another case of assigning all middle eastern inventions to Islam, in a way that we just wouldn't stand for with any other religion.

Remember that the Persian religion was Zoroastrianism, until they were invaded by the Muslims, just as Europe was Pagan until they were forced to convert by Constantine.

We should not plunder the achievements of ancient civilisations to inflate the importance of our modern civilisations. Thier culture was much different from ours and we shouldn't try and recast thier cultures in the image of our own. Don't do a reverse 300.

Anna.



p.s. All Religion sucks! Notice how when Europe was more religious than the Middle East, Europe had the dark ages, and the Middle East had a golden age, and now the Middle East is more religious, and Europe is secular, it's the other way around. Coincidence? Methinks not!

There you have it...Someone finally detected the pattern that has been driving me crazy!!!