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Unfortunately, for my drug history, we'd have to invent songs that haven't even been sung yet. The list would include:

Alcohol: I'm sure there's numerous getting drunk songs on the market
Marijuana: Again, consult a variety of hippie songs
Cocaine: Grateful Dead, "Casey Jones"
Heroin/Various Narcs: The Wall, "Comfortably Numb"
Amphetamines: Not sure what comes to mind
LSD: The Beatles, "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds"
Ketamine: My best guess would be Marilyn Manson, "Dissociative"
Mescaline: I'm clueless...???
DMT: See above...???
Salvia: See above...???
Ecstasy: I'm sure some rave song has been written that I'm not aware of...
Ether: See above...???
5-MeO-DMT: See above...???
Datura: See above...??? The closest I can think of is literary reference...
Tiletamine: Veterinary drugs don't have many songs...
Benzos, Piperazines, GHB, and many others: Yeah, I doubt any songs have been written about these lesser drugs...

God, putting it like that...I'm such a junkie...
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omg, ether! that's so 1800's.

I've huffed a lot of that shit by accident in labs, its good stuff, lol.

I bet junkies would pay good money to stand next to the sinks in our undergraduate labs, our handling of many psychoactive chemicals is very sub standard....
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omg, ether! that's so 1800's.

I've huffed a lot of that shit by accident in labs, its good stuff, lol.

I bet junkies would pay good money to stand next to the sinks in our undergraduate labs, our handling of many psychoactive chemicals is very sub standard....
Yes, chemistry labs are fun! I stole a lot of chemicals and supplies from labs over the years...Back when I was hoping to have my own means of clandestine synthesis. I've pretty much given up on that sh*t, but I still wouldn't mind trying/synthesizing PCP at some point. I spent many a hours messed up on diethyl ether back in the day...I found that smoking pot before hand made it INCREDIBLY trippy, on par with some psychadelics, albeit for a short amount of time. I found that the film "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" sort of mischaracterized ether's effect...Alas, it's hard to portray some drugs on film...All in all, the film did a very good job.
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Datura: See above...??? The closest I can think of is literary reference...
Datura! That's a blast from the past. Reminds me of when a group of us came across a Datura plant and set about making some tea. Well I don't remember anyone getting a transcendental high, infact I think most of us ended up being quite sick. Either our botanic knowledge wasn't as good as we thought or we didn't brew the tea right. Anyway, that was that for Datura.
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Unfortunately, for my drug history, we'd have to invent songs that haven't even been sung yet. The list would include:

Alcohol: I'm sure there's numerous getting drunk songs on the market
Marijuana: Again, consult a variety of hippie songs
Cocaine: Grateful Dead, "Casey Jones"
Heroin/Various Narcs: The Wall, "Comfortably Numb"
Amphetamines: Not sure what comes to mind
LSD: The Beatles, "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds"
Ketamine: My best guess would be Marilyn Manson, "Dissociative"
Mescaline: I'm clueless...???
DMT: See above...???
Salvia: See above...???
Ecstasy: I'm sure some rave song has been written that I'm not aware of...
Ether: See above...???
5-MeO-DMT: See above...???
Datura: See above...??? The closest I can think of is literary reference...
Tiletamine: Veterinary drugs don't have many songs...
Benzos, Piperazines, GHB, and many others: Yeah, I doubt any songs have been written about these lesser drugs...

God, putting it like that...I'm such a junkie...
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GRH, you are an Amazing person! You are an encyclopedia of drugs!
Ok, let's take advantage of your extensive knowledge... Please tell us the special feeling (mental, physical or even trancendental that you experienced with the intake of each drug. How are they different from one another? Also, mention if the hangovers are of the same kind.
Please please please....
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No problem Sesame, I'd LOVE to, that said, I could probably write a book on the topic of drugs and my own personal history. So if you could simplify your inquiry a bit, I'd be more than willing to accomadate. I guess in saying that, is there any place you'd like to start the discussion/comparison? To simply ask me to describe them all is a bit overwhelming...I don't mind doing it, but a bit of direction regarding what to cover first would be appreciated. :O It's refreshing to see someone who appreciates a girl with a bit of knowledge regarding altered states.
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Ok, GRH,
You could begin by describing the Altered States.:D
Is it something like a Dream state?
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Sesame, I'm not sure what parallel to draw??? I've dreamt many of times, and I've been altered many times...

That said, there are obvious parallels between the two. At my current state of consciousness, I can't always tell the difference. Let me explain...

I have always dreamed lucidly...My ability to differentiate the dream state from waking is something that seems to be a gift to me. In almost all of my dreams, I am aware on some level of the fact that I am dreaming. That said, I have had profound dreams...I have experienced prophetic dreams and dreams of exreme importance. For someone such as myself, the line between sleep and awake is often blurred...This is affected by my own tendency towards suffering from chronic insomnia...

Perhaps this is one reason that I gravitate towards altered states of being (and altered states of being asleep!). Just the other night I was in this weird state where I wasn't quite awake, nor was I entirely dreaming. I was aware of what was going on around me, yet I was in another world. THIS is what psychadelic consciousness is like to some extent. I found myself waking up at multiple points throuth the night...At one point I was reaching out (literally waking up my spouse) in an attempt to catch a ball...At another point in my dream state, I woke myself up biting my pillow, while thinking that I was fending off some attacker. Someone such as myself has a difficulty differentiating between a "dream" and "reality." The two concepts become an intermeshed perspective of the larger notion of TRUE consciousness...

Our discussion of consciousness and reality could probably eclipse any topic intended for this message board, but I hope that my cursory definition gives you some perspective regarding myself. This said, I still welcome exploring at more depth ANY given topic of drugs or consciousness, it's one of the few areas that I feel to have lots of experience. It's one of the few areas that doesn't distinguish between our conceptions of male/female, rich/poor, black/white/brazilian/etc. Consciousness is a primal exploration of who we really are, and drugs are one of the more primitive means by which we get to this ends!
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Consciousness is a primal exploration of who we really are, and drugs are one of the more primitive means by which we get to this ends!
There is another way: meditation.
Anyway, I am also very interested in the exploration of the four main states:
1) Ordinary consciousness: Awake
2) Dream (REM=Rapid Eye Movement)
3) Deep Sleep (No REM)
4) Superconscious
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The difference between waking and dream is the absence of concreteness or a point of reference in the latter. But Dream is vitally linked to our well being and Not a false state. In Dreams, we get rid of the shackles of our physical body and can reach anywhere in lightning speed.

In Deep sleep, we remain totally unconscious, we dont even dream. We stop thinking here. I fact this is the real rest we get during sleep. Rest for the body and mind. (in dream, the body rests, but the mind keeps busy)

There are states in between which we can reach with meditation or drug use. In my opinion, with meditation, we can reach states where one is More Conscious of Oneself than Waking or Dreaming.
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Thus, ideas that "walls are breathing" or that "colors or bleeding" and the sort are common sorts of hallucinations that are born out of the fact that a person is usually aware that they are under SOME sort of influence of a drug.
Hey, I had similar experiences, and in waking state! Without drugs!
I was affected by malaria... during the last few days, I saw that the walls were alive and oozing light. :D The ceiling of my bedroom was caving in upon my face. And my imagination and intuition was Boosted a 1000 times! How cool is that! On the downside, I saw horrible ugly creatues lurking around. But that is nothing in compare to the elation I felt.
God, how I miss that magical state!
I am willing to suffer from malaria for the rest of my life.
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Ok, GRH,
You could begin by describing the Altered States.:D
Is it something like a Dream state?
More directly...

An altered state is something unique in and of itself...The altered state may be like a dream state, but a lot of that depends on the mechanisms that the drug relies upon. Some drugs are notorious for mimicking a dream state...

Other drugs produce things a bit different...

There is a classic difference, and this is often drawn between the tryptamine/phenethylamine type drugs and other less classic psychadelics (dissociatives, deleriants, etc.). The classic psychadelics often produce a state of consciousness that is aware of the fact that a person is in fact under the influence of drugs. Thus, ideas that "walls are breathing" or that "colors or bleeding" and the sort are common sorts of hallucinations that are born out of the fact that a person is usually aware that they are under SOME sort of influence of a drug.

By contrast, under some drugs, a person has very little conception (if any at all!) that they are under the influence; thus, the idea of altered states is one that depends on their idea of being under the influence of drugs. Deleriants such as "Datura" and other Solanaceous deleriants act in this capacity...Their neuromechanism is very different from the route of tryptamine/phenethylamine drugs. The deleriant route is based on acetylcholine inhibition, and this route has been exploited over the years by various classes of witches, etc. who have employed differerent Solanaceous drugs over the years (Datura, Brugmansia, Brunfelsia, Henbane, Beladonna, Mandrake, etc.). Many of the witches actually employed the "drug at question" over the years, and there is some skepticism that some of the witches employed said drug via a vaginal route, through the application of the drug through through transdermal vaginal absorption.

Regardless of whether you believe this most recent post, I hope that you WILL believe, there are MANY ways of interpretting transdermal absorption.
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Unfortunately, for my drug history, we'd have to invent songs that haven't even been sung yet. The list would include:

Alcohol: I'm sure there's numerous getting drunk songs on the market
Marijuana: Again, consult a variety of hippie songs
Cocaine: Grateful Dead, "Casey Jones"
Heroin/Various Narcs: The Wall, "Comfortably Numb"
Amphetamines: Not sure what comes to mind
LSD: The Beatles, "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds"
Ketamine: My best guess would be Marilyn Manson, "Dissociative"
Mescaline: I'm clueless...???
DMT: See above...???
Salvia: See above...???
Ecstasy: I'm sure some rave song has been written that I'm not aware of...
Ether: See above...???
5-MeO-DMT: See above...???
Datura: See above...??? The closest I can think of is literary reference...
Tiletamine: Veterinary drugs don't have many songs...
Benzos, Piperazines, GHB, and many others: Yeah, I doubt any songs have been written about these lesser drugs...

God, putting it like that...I'm such a junkie...
Wow that is one extensive list. Are you still all there? lol
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Wow that is one extensive list. Are you still all there? lol
That list was partial, but for the record, you can add 1,4-butanediol to it of late...And yes, I'm still here (unfortunately)...

But I don't come around very often...Not much at all of late...
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