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Old 09-14-2007
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Hi i'm italian, ...In Italy church have too much power, i don't think other coutries let church have an "italy like" role in government...i think italians should think a bit more about their (our) politic and economic problems and a bit less about heaven.......
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Hi i'm italian, ...In Italy church have too much power, i don't think other coutries let church have an "italy like" role in government...i think italians should think a bit more about their (our) politic and economic problems and a bit less about heaven.......
Welcome, my friend ! The power of the catholic church in Italy is based on two conditions:
1) The cowardly and the servilism of the politicians towards the pope
2) The weakness of our liberal culture.
After the second world war Italy's been dominated by two opposite fundamentalisms: catholicism and marxism. They are both deeply unliberal. At the moment the big parties that claim they are "liberal" are , really, filo-catholic and conservative. The UE is our only hope. Our integration in the UE can favour the secularization and laicization of the institutions.
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I understand your unhappy position. Here in Belgium we have liberated ourselves from the shackles of religion. I hope it will happen soon in your country. Can I send some Belgian freedom over the Alps?
By the way, it is at least ironic that the church is so against gay people now. During the 18th and 19th century it was accused of being too soft on gays! It all depends on what geriatric fellows rule the Vatican presumably.
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Over here in the USA we have quite the conflict on gay marriage. I support the legalization of it. Others don't, and honestly, their reasoning is quite ridiculous. The best one that I've heard is that "gay couples with children will have gay children, whereas straight couples will have straight children."

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This might be a little off topic maybe, im going to say it because I am a christian. God doesnt hate "gays" it was added to the bible because it was ment to be a(n) anti rome type of thing (romans killed and made christians lifes hell, but they were open about homosexuality). I dont think being gay is a bad thing and nor do I think its right to treat someone as less of a human for there option. so, boooo the pope and not looking at the context of the text he reads!
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