Castration: DISCUSSION

[Charlie413]

Originally Posted by Tailia

When a girl is totally submissive I believe it is occasionally necessary for the sack to be emptied. For cosmetic purposes prosthetic balls can replace those removed. However, I do adore the thought of shemale balls clinking into the pan.

Kinky but then aren't we all?

Oh yes, that empty sack looks so very exciting to me. Please, no prosthetic balls. Let that sack hang down nice and empty. I love that look!

Charlie

[jonnie]

Empty sac is so cool. I only have one ball and would love to get rid of the other. Big question...do I need HRT? Really would rather not have to take hormones.

[megalops]

Originally Posted by Charlie413

Oh yes, that empty sack looks so very exciting to me. Please, no prosthetic balls. Let that sack hang down nice and empty. I love that look!

Charlie

I'm the opposite. I love the look of no balls and no scrotum. A nice little dick hanging down with nothing below is very hot (IMHO).

[MacShreach]

Some great crack above, with the usual (for TS forums) crosstalk and missing of point. Anyway 'castration' which is usually called orchidectomy or orchiectomy, is useful mainly because the use of androgen blockers is regarded as being hazardous in the longer term.

Hormonal transition for mtf requires two completely different processes: 1, the suppression of the effects of testosterone, which masculinise the body and 2, the use of female hormones, principally oestrogen, to feminise it.

Some transwomen who self-med blitz with so much oestrogen that their testosterone just can't get through, but this risks liver damage and in any case is inefficient. Furthermore, oestrogen is implicated in certain forms of cancer, notably breast cancer, especially at higher levels. Using a proper androgen blocker, eg androcur or spirolactone, stops the testosterone and allows feminisation at lower and therefore safer doses of oestrogen. But the androgen blockers also have risks, which include memory loss, osteoporosis and muscular atrophy.

Ordinary women produce testosterone, just not so much; getting the anti-androgen balance right to replicate this level in the mtf is not at all easy. (Too much anti-androgen=no testosterone=problems; not enough=masculinisation.) This is one reason why self-medicating is a Bad Idea.

This female testosterone is not, obviously, produced in the testes but elsewhere, and it is also produced in these places in the male body. Removing an mtf transsexual's testes allows her body to self-regulate the testosterone at about the female level with no androgen blockers. (Essentially, the endocrine system is fooled into thinking the body is female, but lacks the ability to produce female levels of oestrogen itself. So, after orchidectomy, an mtf's body is very like that of a woman who has had her ovaries removed. Remember, we all began as females. The body just reverts.)

So 'castration' allows the use of smaller and safer doses of oestrogen to allow the feminisation required for mtf transition. (Note: anyone who has been castrated will have to take HRT to prevent problems. This was an issue for many early transitioners, notably April Ashley, who developed severe osteoporosis because she did not.)

Do you see? (Phew.)

In broader terms the physiological trick in SRS is done by the removal of the testes. The actual construction of the vagina is just cosmetic surgery, though I realise how important it can be for many girls. But that's really a psychological issue to do with her sense of gender and self, and not the fairly mechanical processes of her endocrine system.

Some girls report that after orchidectomy their erectile ability recovers. This is probably because they had previously been over-suppressing their testosterone. Others, however, report the opposite or no change.

BTW that nonsense above about skin--the differences between male and female skin is caused by hormonal action. Any transsexual will tell you the differences in her skin and hair are obvious when she is on hormones. These have no effect whatsoever, however, on underlying skin tone, which is genetic, not hormonal, in origin. In other words, under controlled oestrogen therapy, a scandic male will become a scandic female, a dark-skinned male will become a dark-skinned female.

[Sagisabrina62]

Originally Posted by megalops

I'm the opposite. I love the look of no balls and no scrotum. A nice little dick hanging down with nothing below is very hot (IMHO).

I like the look of the lonely small limp cock with the flat place between cock and asspussy hole, with the look like it was never been there before...
Wish the same will be done on me (my balls and scrotum removed)....

[GRH]

A couple posts up-- it is laughable in my mind to even think of a male-identifying cross dresser to want to go the hormone and surgical route as part of some sex fetish. Surgery and hormones are for trans-identifying individuals and are specifically indicated to treat gender dysphoria. This is a distinct identity issue that is wholly separate from getting your bedroom kicks by "forced feminization." If you were a real transexual, you would simply work towards doing what you need to do, not be posting in an internet forum hoping to find someone to help do it for you. Such an attitude is quite frankly insulting to all of brave transexual individuals who have the intestinal fortitude to live authentically.

Re: Castration...Yeah, I'd like to have this done at some point. I'd need to see costs, but from what I understand, this operation only runs a few thousand. And truly, this is the operation that has a lot of physical benefit in terms of adjusting hormone levels in the body. I find that alone to be more appealing than vaginoplasty. As to impacting orgasm and ejaculation-- I can very rarely do either. I actually managed to ejaculate a small amount the other day for the first time in some months. And that is on hormones alone, so any additional impact from removal of the testes would not be disagreeable to me.

[liesjeversteven]

A few thousands, seriously? I just came across this post by accident, but that's ridiculous. Here in Belgium that would probably cost you a few hundreds...

Originally Posted by GRH

A couple posts up-- it is laughable in my mind to even think of a male-identifying cross dresser to want to go the hormone and surgical route as part of some sex fetish. Surgery and hormones are for trans-identifying individuals and are specifically indicated to treat gender dysphoria. This is a distinct identity issue that is wholly separate from getting your bedroom kicks by "forced feminization." If you were a real transexual, you would simply work towards doing what you need to do, not be posting in an internet forum hoping to find someone to help do it for you. Such an attitude is quite frankly insulting to all of brave transexual individuals who have the intestinal fortitude to live authentically.

Re: Castration...Yeah, I'd like to have this done at some point. I'd need to see costs, but from what I understand, this operation only runs a few thousand. And truly, this is the operation that has a lot of physical benefit in terms of adjusting hormone levels in the body. I find that alone to be more appealing than vaginoplasty. As to impacting orgasm and ejaculation-- I can very rarely do either. I actually managed to ejaculate a small amount the other day for the first time in some months. And that is on hormones alone, so any additional impact from removal of the testes would not be disagreeable to me.

[GRH]

I believe I saw $4000 cited by one study. Gotta love American healthcare. Smh

[Maura]

Originally Posted by liesjeversteven

A few thousands, seriously? I just came across this post by accident, but that's ridiculous. Here in Belgium that would probably cost you a few hundreds...

I am quite orgasmic post-orchi and also my libido is intact. But I have dry orgasms and multi-orgasms especially when being fucked by man who knows what he's doing.

It can take me quite a long time to orgasm. Sometimes I can't at all even after hours of sex. But that can even be better than an orgasm. After your man has gotten off, maybe two or three times, and he tires out, you can be left there burning up, totally in heat and turned on by making HIM orgasm.

Then you slowly have to cool down without an orgasm. I find this to be an exquisite submissive experience, especially when he wakes up and fucks me more. It is very difficult to explain...

[Smoothie]

Originally Posted by Maura

I am quite orgasmic post-orchi and also my libido is intact. But I have dry orgasms and multi-orgasms especially when being fucked by man who knows what he's doing.

It can take me quite a long time to orgasm. Sometimes I can't at all even after hours of sex. But that can even be better than an orgasm. After your man has gotten off, maybe two or three times, and he tires out, you can be left there burning up, totally in heat and turned on by making HIM orgasm.

Then you slowly have to cool down without an orgasm. I find this to be an exquisite submissive experience, especially when he wakes up and fucks me more. It is very difficult to explain...

I totally can understand this. I am not castrated at this point, but simply low testosterone levels are probably similar.