GOP'ish candidates

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

So really it doesn't matter who runs in 12 they are all promising the same thing for those who miss W just vote GOP and it'll be like W term three

Which allows you to continue to blame Bush. Brilliant!

[franalexes]

When Clinton defeated the first Bush, he took credit for an improving economy even before he took office.
When, for god's sake when is this current president going to take responsability for what happens in his term? He's got 1 year left!

[transjen]

Originally Posted by franalexes

When Clinton defeated the first Bush, he took credit for an improving economy even before he took office.
When, for god's sake when is this current president going to take responsability for what happens in his term? He's got 1 year left!

when is W going to admit he screwed up the country? he still cliams he made no mistakes
durng W's final year we were losing a average of 75 k jobs a month
Obama has stopped that trend and the private sector has been adding jobs each month and this is while the GOP governors have been on a job cutting spree cutting state jobs just to keep the unemployment numbers high
And how can he do anything when the GOP always says no to everything
The GOP goals to to wreck the econemy just to take over
Jerseygirl Jen

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Which allows you to continue to blame Bush. Brilliant!

Well W deserves all the credit, he made this mess and Obama has been fixing it which isn't easy when he's blocked at every turn by the GOP
Jerseygirl Jen

[franalexes]

Obama has stopped that trend .....
Too bad you are wrong. We were promised the rate would not go over 8% un-employed. It went to over 10%.
Governors regardless of D's or R's with the help of their legislatures have had to cut funding because the poor economy results in lower income for the States and they wish not to become as indebted as Obama has pushed this nation.

Borrow all the money you can, increase your debt, and then tell me how rich you are. REALLY!and if you aren't rich after doing that it's not my fault because I convinced you to do it.

[franalexes]

Today's news, 1-5-2012 "There are 1,800,000 fewer jobs today than when Obama took office."

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Today's news, 1-5-2012 "There are 1,800,000 fewer jobs today than when Obama took office."

I am no defender of Obama, as I have made clear in post after post. But this notion that Obama is personally and directly responsible for the loss of jobs is ridiculous and hardly even merits serious discussion.

If the politicians of both major parties were serious about ensuring jobs, they would have created them ... period. There are tremendous needs in this country to do things that only government does. The private sector doesn't fix roads and bridges, build schools, or take on any of the other infrastructure projects that modern societies undertake.

[ila]

Originally Posted by smc

I am no defender of Obama, as I have made clear in post after post. But this notion that Obama is personally and directly responsible for the loss of jobs is ridiculous and hardly even merits serious discussion...

Then do you also agree that it's also ridiculous to blame George W. Bush for job losses that occured during his terms?

[smc]

Originally Posted by ila

Then do you also agree that it's also ridiculous to blame George W. Bush for job losses that occured during his terms?

Job losses can be attributed in part to the policies of presidents. Presidents of both parties have enabled the offshoring of jobs. Clinton presided over NAFTA, a huge job-killer in the United States. Bush's policies (easing or ignoring regulation of the financial markets, allowing for the casino environment from which the world has suffered) that helped lead to the financial system collapse in September 2008 contributed to job losses, to be sure. Obama's failure to pass a stimulus plan with a real job-creation component and that was much, much larger than what he did get also contributed. But in no case are the associated job losses the direct blame of any president. They are the result of a system propped up through collusion by both major parties, a system that puts profits before people, and rewards profit making even when it comes at the direct expense of people.

[paladin68]

Originally Posted by ila

Then do you also agree that it's also ridiculous to blame George W. Bush for job losses that occured during his terms?

Only if they are rational, my friend.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by smc

I The private sector doesn't fix roads and bridges, build schools, or take on any of the other infrastructure projects that modern societies undertake.

"schools",,,, be carefull with that one. Most colleges are private even thou they receive government grants. At lower levels, private schools of faith based origin are being financed totally free of government support.

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"schools",,,, be carefull with that one. Most colleges are private even thou they receive government grants. At lower levels, private schools of faith based origin are being financed totally free of government support.

Of course, anyone reading this would have reasonably assumed I meant public schools, K-12. But you are technically correct.

I could have listed lots more examples of how government creates jobs by building for society. But perhaps you'd like to defend the notion put so eloquently by Grover Norquist: "I'm not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

[transjen]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Today's news, 1-5-2012 "There are 1,800,000 fewer jobs today than when Obama took office."

Isn't that the number of lost jobs he inherieted from W
lets look at just the last six months of W and each month the econemy lost between 600k to 800k jobs each month and when the rein of W finaly came to an end his record had way more jobs lost then jobs added
For 2011 100k on average was added not great but we are headed in the right direction even with the GOP doing everything they can to the econemy and hinder job growth
Jersey's piece of crap governor since day one has been on a job elimition program
Jerseygirl Jen

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by transjen

Isn't that the number of lost jobs he inherieted from W
Jerseygirl Jen

In a word, NO.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by franalexes

In a word, NO.

YES!!!!!!! W lost those and more jobs under his failed policies
W destoryed the US encomny
And Obama has been rebuliding it with no help from the GOP

[GRH]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Obama has stopped that trend .....
Too bad you are wrong. We were promised the rate would not go over 8% un-employed. It went to over 10%.

And we were promised that free trade, deregulation, union-busting, and cutting the top marginal tax rates for the 1% would cure all our economic woes under W (and earlier administrations). We see where that got us. So it's far from the first time that political promises were, at best miscalculations, and at worst, outright lies.