Liberal free for all coming to an end

[ila]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

What should the Obama administration's response to Iran's attempted act of war be?...

An assassination attempt (plot) does not an act of war make.

[ucmeat]

at a US official or citizen.

Either way politics is full of rotten apples on both sides don't fall for the Dem this or Rep that the real issue is US and Them, and Them ain't representing US.

Take back our government and kick out ALL incumbents, this was never meant to be a career but a civic duty. When a government dictates laws to its populous that DON'T apply to them we have tyranny plain and simple. Remove their pensions and put them on social security and social security will be fixed. Take them off of gov healthcare and put them in obamacare and they will fix healthcare. Stop allowing them to live by do as I say but not as I do!

[MayDay]

The problem with "kick out all incumbents" is that it's a bit self-defeating.

If you go to Washington, it takes time to figure how to write bills, get support, get them through congress. If you continually cycle through people in government, it will get worse. The bigger problem is that the civility that we saw maybe 20 years ago has deteriorated. Although there was certainly partisanship then, it was nothing like today.

If I were to suggest an answer, it would target extremists in both parties and send a message that it won't be tolerated.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by MayDay

The problem with "kick out all incumbents" is that it's a bit self-defeating.

If you go to Washington, it takes time to figure how to write bills, get support, get them through congress. If you continually cycle through people in government, it will get worse. The bigger problem is that the civility that we saw maybe 20 years ago has deteriorated. Although there was certainly partisanship then, it was nothing like today.

If I were to suggest an answer, it would target extremists in both parties and send a message that it won't be tolerated.

Agreed. And if we kick out the incumbents then our government is run by the entrenched bureaucrats. The T-party emerged because reasonable people are fed up with the pettiness and silly rules that congress chooses to use and operate.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by ila

An assassination attempt (plot) does not an act of war make.

A bomb in a crowded restaurant with 150 people, including senators in Washington DC (as far as the Iranian backers knew) does not an assassination attempt make either.

[ila]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

A bomb in a crowded restaurant with 150 people, including senators in Washington DC (as far as the Iranian backers knew) does not an assassination attempt make either.

That would be an act of terrorism and hardly the same as an act of war.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by ila

That would be an act of terrorism and hardly the same as an act of war.

And if the bomb were delivered by a military plane, that would be an act of war.
So does it make any difference HOW the bomb is delivered?
If the "delivery" is sanctioned by a government, isn't that an act of war?

[ila]

Originally Posted by franalexes

And if the bomb were delivered by a military plane, that would be an act of war.
So does it make any difference HOW the bomb is delivered?
If the "delivery" is sanctioned by a government, isn't that an act of war?

By your analogy then your federal government has committed several acts of war.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by ila

That would be an act of terrorism and hardly the same as an act of war.

It's an attack sanctioned by Iran. Not just some terrorist group. And the collateral damage includes US senators. Our government has rightly viewed terrorist attacks against us as an act of war in the past. You treat something like this as an act of terror and slap Iran's wrist and they'll do it again. We need a zero tolerance policy on terrorism. And I still think this qualifies as an act of war anyway, rather than a terrorist act.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It's an attack sanctioned by Iran. Not just some terrorist group. And the collateral damage includes US senators. Our government has rightly viewed terrorist attacks against us as an act of war in the past. You treat something like this as an act of terror and slap Iran's wrist and they'll do it again. We need a zero tolerance policy on terrorism. And I still think this qualifies as an act of war anyway, rather than a terrorist act.

I don't think we can afford any more wars...we can't afford the two or three we got going on, now.

Shit, if we go by text book terrorism, we'd better go to war with our own federal government....which I'd support right from the start.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I don't think we can afford any more wars...we can't afford the two or three we got going on, now.

Shit, if we go by text book terrorism, we'd better go to war with our own federal government....which I'd support right from the start.

Call me a bore, but treason really isn't my thing.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Call me a bore, but treason really isn't my thing.

Politicians been doing it for a long time.

Plus the colonists fighting for their freedoms, 230+ years ago were probably called treasonous. To me, I feel our votes do not really mean anything, the whole thing is a farce, and they are all handpicked to begin with. And even if our votes did count, when have we EVER gotten anyone who made word on their promises, I say it's time for SOMETHING to change, otherwise, we're all gonna be discussing the same thing 50 years from now, with no solutions.

Hell, what I love about Egypt and Libya was the people there going, "Enough is enough! Time to do something."

But don't worry about the treason thing....most Americans are lazy as hell (and I am an American, so don't anyone bother with the love it or leave it speech, or anything else Archie Bunker would say), so long as they got their beer, football and Dancing with the Stars, most of them are not going to do a damned thing.

[ila]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It's an attack sanctioned by Iran. Not just some terrorist group. And the collateral damage includes US senators. Our government has rightly viewed terrorist attacks against us as an act of war in the past. You treat something like this as an act of terror and slap Iran's wrist and they'll do it again. We need a zero tolerance policy on terrorism. And I still think this qualifies as an act of war anyway, rather than a terrorist act.

Is your view from the fact that Iran sanctioned the plan, that it was going to be an attack on an ambassador to the US, or that collateral damage includes US politicians?

How is this planned attack worse than what your country has attempted or done to other countries such as Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Grenada, and other Central and South American countries?

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by ila

Is your view from the fact that Iran sanctioned the plan, that it was going to be an attack on an ambassador to the US, or that collateral damage includes US politicians?

How is this planned attack worse than what your country has attempted or done to other countries such as Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Grenada, and other Central and South American countries?

I think they call it "pre-emptive strike".

Ila, you can dis-agree,,,,,if you want to be sleeping on the couch.