Liberal free for all coming to an end

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

In February 2009, after signing the stimulus bill, Obama pledged to cut the deficit to half by the end of his first term in office. I'd like to see it gone of course, but it's still going to be impressive to see him get the deficit down to $530 billion next fiscal year. Go for it Obama... only $770 billion left to go!

A stupid pledge to have made, since it would require the assent of the very people you support ... and they won't do it, either. But (broken record time) you already know that, Tracy Coxx.

[randolph]

I find the thing most disturbing about the GOP debate last night was that no one challenged Perry on his outrageous statements about social security. He is flat out wrong about social security. It is fully funded well into the future. Working young people today who are contributing to social security will get a retirement of about $35,000 per year at time of retirement.
Perry's comments are just another example of the rhetorical bullshit emanating from the far right.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I find the thing most disturbing about the GOP debate last night was that no one challenged Perry on his outrageous statements about social security. He is flat out wrong about social security. It is fully funded well into the future. Working young people today who are contributing to social security will get a retirement of about $35,000 per year at time of retirement.
Perry's comments are just another example of the rhetorical bullshit emanating from the far right.

I think that's more debatable than the science that Perry completely blasts. If you add in comments he's made elsewhere it's pretty clear he has no respect for any field of science and I find that rather disturbing.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I think that's more debatable than the science that Perry completely blasts. If you add in comments he's made elsewhere it's pretty clear he has no respect for any field of science and I find that rather disturbing.

It's amazing that he brags about getting high tech companies to come to Texas while he dismisses all the scientific evidence for evolution and climate change.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

It's amazing that he brags about getting high tech companies to come to Texas while he dismisses all the scientific evidence for evolution and climate change.

Yeah, he's also a big supporter of manned space exploration, which I was just as surprised about as I was with Bush, the other anti-science guy.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah, he's also a big supporter of manned space exploration, which I was just as surprised about as I was with Bush, the other anti-science guy.

I find it mystifying that these bible thumping "religious" types can deny and reject some science and embrace other aspects of scientific endeavor. I suspect a lot of it is cynical pandering to a religious base in order to gain political power. That certainly appeared to be the case with Bush.
With Bachman and Palin and some of the others they seem to really believe in the literal bible. How they reconcile that with reality is a mystery.
Jimmy Carter is a Baptist, a moderate one however and he did not try to impose his religious beliefs onto the American public as President. Some of the current candidates want to impose their conservative beliefs on the American public. This is a very bad trend. The founding fathers were well aware of the deleterious effects of blending religion into government. They carefully crafted the Constitution to keep religion out of the government.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I find it mystifying that these bible thumping "religious" types can deny and reject some science and embrace other aspects of scientific endeavor. I suspect a lot of it is cynical pandering to a religious base in order to gain political power. That certainly appeared to be the case with Bush.

Oh I believe Bush (and Perry) are more religious than they even allow people to see. I think Bush's support of manned space exploration was for other than scientific reasons. Like the spanish - for god, gold and glory.

Originally Posted by randolph

With Bachman and Palin and some of the others they seem to really believe in the literal bible. How they reconcile that with reality is a mystery.

After talking with people like them, they seem to think reality is a deception and that you must remain steadfast and keep your eye on what the bible tells you I tell them nature is the literal word of god, not the bible.

Originally Posted by randolph

Jimmy Carter is a Baptist, a moderate one however and he did not try to impose his religious beliefs onto the American public as President. Some of the current candidates want to impose their conservative beliefs on the American public. This is a very bad trend. The founding fathers were well aware of the deleterious effects of blending religion into government. They carefully crafted the Constitution to keep religion out of the government.

I agree.