Same Sex Marriage Debate

[TracyCoxx]

Just wondering.... why would it be up to the government to allow same sex marriage?

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Just wondering.... why would it be up to the government to allow same sex marriage?

"Just wondering" ... yeah, right.

Tracy Coxx knows the answer to the question. The post looks designed to shift the discussion in this thread to another right-wing discussion about the role of government.

The issue is that governments DIS-allow same-sex marriages, either by tradition or, increasingly, by statute. The point of codifying the right to same-sex marriage is about the other rights that come with being married. For instance, in the United States, these rights run the gamut from certain categories of tax filings that are beneficial to couples to things like being able to visit dying partners in hospitals and help make decisions for them.

But Tracy Coxx knows all this. Tracy Coxx is intelligent, but Tracy Coxx has a problem with discussing things in a forthright manner.

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Just wondering.... why would it be up to the government to allow same sex marriage?

Maybe because the government already restricts it.

[smc]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Maybe because the government already restricts it.

Looks like someone else is on to Tracy ...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Maybe because the government already restricts it.

Originally Posted by First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Marriage is a religious construct. If you want to get married, go to your church and get married.

[ila]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Marriage is a religious construct. If you want to get married, go to your church and get married.

Marriage is also a civil matter. In some countries the only marriage that is recognized is the civil ceremony. Also there are people that don't go to churches or mosques or temples so for them their only recourse is a civil marriage.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by ila

Marriage is also a civil matter. In some countries the only marriage that is recognized is the civil ceremony. Also there are people that don't go to churches or mosques or temples so for them their only recourse is a civil marriage.

As a civil matter, it should be left to the states then, not the federal government. (speaking about the US of course). And Kitty, the US government does not currently restrict it.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

As a civil matter, it should be left to the states then, not the federal government. (speaking about the US of course). And Kitty, the US government does not currently restrict it.

You brought up "government," Tracy Coxx, but you never wrote "federal" until now. To answer Kaiti, you change the playing field. Nice try.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by smc

You brought up "government," Tracy Coxx, but you never wrote "federal" until now. To answer Kaiti, you change the playing field. Nice try.

Is that what's known as "moving the goal posts"?

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Marriage is a religious construct. If you want to get married, go to your church and get married.

So, then, Tracy Coxx, you will endorse the full abrogation of all laws and rights that are tied to marriage, and the enactment of a U.S. Constitutional amendment guaranteeing full rights to all regardless of marital status?

That means changing the U.S. tax code that allows married couple special benefits. That means a federal law barring discrimination in hospitals and requiring that all partners be allowed access to patients and decisionmaking rights in patient care if the patient so stipulates, regardless of marital status. Etc.