Liberal free for all coming to an end

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Perhaps the two prominent conservatives on the forum (Fran and Tracy), would be willing to explain how they reconcile their politically conservative views with the intolerance and hate of conservatives toward transsexuals.

As you might have noticed when I'm talking about the GOP candidates I don't completely agree with the GOP platform. The political spectrum is not one dimensional => fiscally liberal to fiscally conservative. Transgendered/gay rights are certainly a good thing, but if the country is bankrupt and the dollar collapses then I'm going to be overwhelmed with much bigger issues. No the country isn't bankrupt, and the dollar is fine at the moment, but we could literally turn on the tv tomorrow and find out different.

Everyone has their own ideas on how we got to this point, but for me it's not entirely the democrats that did it, but certainly the Obama administration has had a huge hand in where we are now. I know we've raised the debt limit several times in the past but the debt has skyrocketed so high over the past few years that I really don't feel that we can blindly raise the debt ceiling without at least a balanced budget agreement.

I also know republicans have been spending into the red as well, but nowhere near as far as the Obama administration.

At least for now, the republicans are finally serious about cutting the deficit. Both sides have acknowledged that the debt needs to be cut. They should also recognize the difficulty in doing that. They HAVE to agree on a balanced budget amendment.

[TracyCoxx]

The U. S. State Department yesterday announced that the Obama Administration has agreed to contribute $4 billion to the United Nations Global Fund to fight AIDs, Tuberculosis, and Malaria from 2011 to 2013.

The $4 billion represents a 38% increase over the previous U.S. commitment to the fund.

Does anyone think Obama feels any urgency in cutting spending?

[franalexes]

Your question of course is addressed to those that would have an afirmative answer.
I do not . The republicans have come up with several plans. The president and the dem's in the Senate have rejected them ,but have not presented a plan of their own. A few days ago the Senate even voted to shut off debate about the issue. How numb is that? They don't even want to discuss it let alone fix it!
Obama has said we need to cut AFTER we spend a little more.
"Let's put off serious solution 'til AFTER I get re-elected." ( implied response)

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

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At least for now, the republicans are finally serious about cutting the deficit. Both sides have acknowledged that the debt needs to be cut. They should also recognize the difficulty in doing that. They HAVE to agree on a balanced budget amendment.

Thanks for the laugh i need one
Are you talking about the same GOP that added a few trillion to the debt by insisting the Bush tax cuts for the top ten percent remain intact are you refering to the same GOP that insist cuts be made on the backs of the seniors while the rich opps sorry so called job creators keep there tax cuts and not have to scarifice

CAP CUT BALANCE is nothing but next years bumper sticker and typical GOP screw the poor deal and make damn sure the rich pay no taxes
When bozos like Palin and Bachman say it's the best way forward you know it's a typical GOP to the poor
The tea party wack a dos insist on cuts cuts and don't dare expect the rich to pay one penny of tax
GOD forbid the top ten percent have to chip in and be burdened with paying there fair share in fact they need to be taxed less according to the 12 bozos trying to head the 12 ticket
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Are you talking about the same GOP that added a few trillion to the debt by insisting the Bush tax cuts for the top ten percent remain intact

Obama announces tentative deal to extend Bush tax cuts
Well I think that addresses your first question.

Originally Posted by transjen

are you refering to the same GOP that insist cuts be made on the backs of the seniors

The GOP isn't insisting that. That's what happens if the republicans AND democrats can't compromise. Both sides would like a solution though.

[randolph]

The Myths of Reaganomics
Check out this site for an explanation and how it relates to the present situation.
http://mises.org/daily/1544

[TracyCoxx]

So last friday, Boner announced that he's done dealing with Obama because Obama 'moved the goal posts'. i.e. he previously agreed to something and then reneged. So he decided he'll just deal with the Senate.

And Harry Reid is actually negotiating with him. So the pres is cut out. Proposals from both the house and senate will not raise taxes. Interesting...

[parr]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

So last friday, Boner announced that he's done dealing with Obama because Obama 'moved the goal posts'. i.e. he previously agreed to something and then reneged. So he decided he'll just deal with the Senate.

And Harry Reid is actually negotiating with him. So the pres is cut out. Proposals from both the house and senate will not raise taxes. Interesting...

It would interesting to see what deal transpires between O'Bama, House
and Senate.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by parr

It would interesting to see what deal transpires between O'Bama, House
and Senate.

I wonder if that's even possible. Anything Boner proposes gets a warning of a veto before bipartisan votes in the House. Obama shows no inclination to work with the House and compromise.

Obama even promises to veto what Harry Reid proposes. Despite the strong differences in opinions and the unlikelyhood that a real solution is going to be found one way or another anytime soon, Obama doesn't even want a small debt ceiling increase that will get us pass the debt payment. Why? Because then we will be right back here with the effects of his over spending plain for all to see in the middle of his campaign. It seems to me that both the House and Senate are honestly wanting to do what's right for the country, while Obama is worried about how he's going to get re-elected.

The only way we're going to get past this is for the House & Senate to pass something with a 2/3 vote to override BO.

And did you see his speech last night? Even Chris Matthews who said he felt a chill up his leg when BO got elected and admitted he felt it was his responsibility to make Obama look good said "The President should not have gone on national television to give a political address".

After raising our debt by trillions which predictably did nothing for the economy, he had the nerve to lay the blame on others. BO ignored the efforts between the house and his only ally - the Senate to come up with a compromise to tout his own agenda. But the thing is is that Obama still has not offered his own plan! He has no specifics, just speeches. That's because he doesn't want the blame for cutting entitlements, raising taxes or defaulting on the debt. He wants others to do the hard work and make the difficult decisions so that he can point at them and say "See what they did?!" when he's campaigning for round two of his assault on America.

[randolph]

The whole damn bunch needs to be locked up in the Whitehouse with no food or water until they agree on a solution that gets the Federal governments house in order.
We have elected a bunch of F--king assholes!