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Just because one wants to be a part of the crowd does not make them part of the crowd. Yes, Transwomen are women but they're not born women so they'll always be different from biological women. I hope that doesn't come out offensive to some, but that's how it is. It doesn't mean a transwoman can't live her life to the fullest, but society will always judge T girls differently from Genetic girls.

In simple terms, more people are likely to call a woman with a penis derogatory names rather than a woman. Society doesn't just allow transwomen to be part of the "Crowd", even though they want to be (And Should).
1. My response to you was not about the crowd issue out of context, but in your context of stating "I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on." From the perspective of people who want to be "part of the crowd," it seems to me such a statement flies in the face of reason. I asked a transwoman I know about your statement last night. She said, "I want to be no more or less popular than any other segment of the population." I know what she means.

2. You write of transwomen: "... they're not born women." That is ungendering. They ARE women who happen to be born in the wrong body. While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive. Read here:

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1. My response to you was not about the crowd issue out of context, but in your context of stating "I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on." From the perspective of people who want to be "part of the crowd," it seems to me such a statement flies in the face of reason. I asked a transwoman I know about your statement last night. She said, "I want to be no more or less popular than any other segment of the population." I know what she means.

2. You write of transwomen: "... they're not born women." That is ungendering. They ARE women who happen to be born in the wrong body. While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive. Read here:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=7311
I'm not going to continue with this argument. I feel like if I say how I feel people are gunna get offended. Well, I guess everyone is free to believe whatever they want. It's a shame though, because I obviously have admiration for Transwomen (I wouldn't be on this forum if that wasn't the case), but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on some things.
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I'm not going to continue with this argument. I feel like if I say how I feel people are gunna get offended. Well, I guess everyone is free to believe whatever they want. It's a shame though, because I obviously have admiration for Transwomen (I wouldn't be on this forum if that wasn't the case), but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on some things.
Just to reiterate, I wrote about your earlier post: "While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive." The point is that words matter, and in the matter of identity, it is ONLY the self that matters. So, any transwoman that says she is a woman is, in my book, a woman. Only she gets to choose. Only she gets to define herself. Period. End of discussion.
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Just to reiterate, I wrote about your earlier post: "While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive." The point is that words matter, and in the matter of identity, it is ONLY the self that matters. So, any transwoman that says she is a woman is, in my book, a woman. Only she gets to choose. Only she gets to define herself. Period. End of discussion.
I disagree but you've defended your point well enough.
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I disagree but you've defended your point well enough.
I appreciate the respect emoticon, but I must ask for clarification. You disagree with self-determination of one's identity? Or do I misunderstand you? Because if you do disagree with self-determination, I wonder whether you are prepared to tell any of our transmembers who say they are women that you know better.

And that's been my point all along ...
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