insurance took med away; comments/help please

[JodieTs]

Fuck....just, ....fuck.

[spacecase9128]

SMC & JODIE

First song on radio in truck on the way to work this morning " the fray, how to save a life" Makes timing seem important with the Message U both are trying to have me see.

sc 9128

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by spacecase9128

SMC & JODIE...

Hi David.

Thank you for your PM.
I'm glad you did not take the above posts hurtfully, for that was not my intent,
nor the intent of the mods, of this I am sure.
It is good to know you took all the above posts, as a wake up call.

I would suggest you will not find your answers on this forum.
The mods, myself and the readers would not be able to counsel you
in any meaningful way.

Please do not self-harm yourself again with the burdizzo;
you know this is not the answer you seek.

I am in the UK so know nothing of healthcare in the USA.
If this is available,
I would urge you to visit your doctor,
tell them the things you have told me in the PM
and request your doctor to refer you
to a medical specialist best placed to help you.

My thoughts are with you,

Jodie.

[Fur-oh-cious]

Jodie, whereas it isn't a good idea to use a burdizzo on oneself (what with the risk of death, infection, or other severe problems requiring hospitalization), some folks do have castration fantasies and/or body identity integrity disorder & would be just as desperate as many tgirls to rid their body of unwanted/"non-self" parts. Your post comes off as more than sobering- it is insulting. It is strange because your responses are often insightful about unique perspective and experiences, as well as offering support & opportunity for understanding.

Someone who could not get orchiectomy without either going through chemical anti-androgen treatment or living as a tgirl when he in fact does not identify as female faces a significantly different route than a tgirl. Both situations are difficult (& I acknowledge the tgirl's route is much harder in many ways), yet there are unique difficulties for one with BIID to remedy their situation. Self-surgery or related DIY approaches do get entertained as options when one cannot obtain legitimate medical authorization. The last thing a person needs who isn't allowed to address their sense of self is condescension.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Fur-oh-cious

Jodie,
Your post comes off as more than sobering- it is insulting.

The post specifically addresses issues from his PM to me.
Without expanding in detail,
The issues covered in your post are interesting but not related to the OP.
The email was also sent to one of the mods.
It is in that context, pertaining to facts to which you are not aware of.
My post is not insulting at all. If it had been, the mod would have addressed my post.

When I insult, there is no vague aspect.

Body modifications by non-trans persons
don't really connect with a forum section called Chat About Shemales

Finally,
trans people might object to a discussion about men castrating themselves
placed in an area specifically about trans-women, finding it to be a little insulting,
as we have totally different motivations drives and needs.

This site is 99% frequented by men, a majority of who have a sexual interest in trans women,
and 1% transwomen, who have:
1. An interest in interacting with those men and
2. Also some of us giving those men a greater understanding about
the reality of our lives and how it has no connection with the fantasy.
And hopefully, in some small way, help remove the hyper-sexualised false image which society often saddles us with.
Neither group is likely to have any interest in men who castrate themselves.

Men who for whatever reason, want to castrate themselves,
and men who are interested in men who castrate themselves,
are better off on a forum dedicated to such interests.
I'm sure such forums exist.
Though they may get a little pissy if I start posting threads asking about:
Face feminisation surgery, breast augmentation & altering passport gender indicators, though.

[Fur-oh-cious]

Thanks for your response Jodie. Specifically, I was referring to your comment about spacecase being mentally-ill, not needing a medical degree to diagnose him, & smc?s apparent quotation of you- in a public post. It was placed toward the end of your public response to spacecase. This was the comment which I considered insulting. Not simply referring him to help elsewhere. Further, he did ask a reasonable question regarding estrogen as if he can?t qualify/obtain testosterone replacement, seeking to find out from people who might know best how well estrogen therapy would maintain bone density.

The matter of pms does not relate to what I wrote, as I would have no knowledge concerning the content of your pms anyway. That they exist and that smc confirms receiving similar pms- I believe you both.

I speculated on the motivations which may have driven the OP to take the action he took. I know several non trans individuals who have taken a DIY approach to genital modification precisely because they have no intention to transition & thus didn?t/couldn?t/wouldn?t receive medical help to address BIID issues. BIID can be sexualized & it appears that the OP has done that, though, I will likewise admit that I am not qualified to provide diagnosis either.

Some here- tgirls and non tgirls- diminish the consequences & potential loss resulting from orchiectomy/antiandrogens/estrogen. Though I have expressed aesthetic appeal, I have also responded to those who talk about erectile function as if it is completely mental and utterly irrespective of testosterone. So spacecase is not unique in addressing castration in a somewhat casual way.

We?re all grown-ups and know insults happen. My point in objecting to what appears as insulting language is the *appearance* of a privileged bully pulpit- where tgirls can insult others, but not the other way around. It is not to diminish the reality that tgirls often get insulted by the non t community. The moderators take measures to clarify when posters accidentally or intentionally ungender tgirls, and I applaud that. Quite simply, my concern is that a community seeking to improve understanding (specifically, toward tgirls & more broadly, to those with body dysphoria by extension) should exercise understanding to all those who enter, trans or not. If you think someone is in severe need of psychiatric care, this can be stated in a pm, no?

[JodieTs]

In light of the items quoted in my post
I'll let you work out if he's nuts
or just trying to loose his nuts.
My money is that the rest of the thread readers will be able to work that one out.

Transladyboy.com is is a trans-sex site
The clue is in the name
It is not a community of trans-connected people seeking to enlighten or educate. Though a few of us do that.
Also, it is not a medical mental-health support forum for men seeking to castrate themselves.
Even so, both myself and the mods have gone out of our way to offer suggestions which we hope will help.
(Which was really rather nice of us)

Out of curiosity,
why are you and spacecase9128 posting [non-trans] male-castration questions on this site?
It's unlikey we are likely know know anything of use to either of you, outside of normal common sense opinion.
Trans related surgery and hormone regulation information,
has little/nothing of transferable use, to a man seeking to be a eunuch.
The end points, surgeries, meds, psych care, and so on are all totally different
I would respectfully suggest almost everyone here does not want to know about it either. It's just not our bag.
But all power to you for making a difficult life / surgery choice.
Good luck, n' all that.

Have you tried posting on a lesbian holiday forum
or a 1940's fire engine restoration club forum.
I suggest the responses here on Transladyboy.com is far friendlier than you would find on any other type of forum.

Tell you what,
I won't post on your eunuch sites about trans stuff
if you stop posting on Transladyboy.com about cutting your man-nuts off... (Again, the biggest clue is in the site name)
Seems a reasonable suggestion, to me.

Finally, why are you both asking medical stuff on a trans forum
as our medical things bear no connection with yours
and indeed any advise given by non-eunuch members of this site
{read that as 99.999% of the members}
is at best a guess
and highly dangerous to follow as advice.
Apart from the bit about cutting your nuts off with farmyard equipment, being a really bad idea.
Nor is anyone qualified to give out medical advice.

But I will anyway:
The suggestion of a man seeking oestrogen as a substitute for testosterone,
purely to stop osteoporosis is ludicrous.
This is because of the other huge unwanted effects,
which oestrogen would have on a castrated male body.
(These effects are in no particular order)

• Major mental thought process changes
• Softening of skin
• Female fat deposit layering
• Breast development
• Effect on erectile function
• Lowering of metabolism
• Loss of muscle mass {approximately 25%}
• Loss of body strength
• loss of the ability to reproduce...um, actually, forget that last effect.

These effects would certainly not be wanted by a male, non-trans person.
Deep breath....
I would with the greatest of respect suggest that if you or any other male reader wishes to become a eunuch,
please consider the following:
Removal of your testicles is an IRREVERSIBLE PROCEDURE.
The reasons you and others like you have to do this, are incomprehensible to me.
Nevertheless, I am sure your reasons are valid to you in making this important and life changing choice.
I would urge you and others to never consider operating on yourself.
Instead, please:
GO AND TALK TO A DOCTOR
GO DOWN TO YOUR ACCIDENT & EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT
GO AND TALK TO A PSYCH
Or ...go and post these questions on a eunuch forum
where you will hopefully get far more support and informed answers to your questions.


I'm being very restrained in my response to you.
Now lets just drop the subject as the OP has problems
{which I hope I've helped him with & his PM to me suggests this is so}
And I don't want to argue with you as I just don't have the balls for it.
[I had to get that bit in ...grins]