There Goes the Internet

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by smc

Most of your comments aren't worth serious discourse, which is unfortunate since I have no doubt that you are an intelligent person.

I think she's putting up very intelligent comments, especially with the topic involved, internet freedom.

Some of you might think no one owns it, but think of this, other countries, like China, have a 'kill switch' and America has or is getting one. It would not be a surprise if one day, the president or someone in the military higher ups, decides , "you know, all this stuff everyone is posting up or looking for is bad for 'national security' (an excuse more used and abused than ever before, just mention those two words, and they can do whatever they want) or with their little power mongering, and boom, various parts of the internet are shut down. Joe Lieberman, the same crackpot who wants to get rid of video games, said opened that he admires the policy that China has with the internet, with it's ability to restrict it. If that little runt openly says that, imagine what the others in congress want.

This sort of power mongering has been evident throughout history. And to say that it will never happen because, "it's America!", than those people are very, very historically ignorant.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I think she's putting up very intelligent comments, especially with the topic involved, internet freedom.

This sort of power mongering has been evident throughout history. And to say that it will never happen because, "it's America!", than those people are very, very historically ignorant.

Serious discourse isn't rife with invective, fear-mongering analogies, and links to crackpot websites. I stand by what I wrote.

And just to be clear, I have absolutely no doubt that the U.S. government is fully capable of stripping and willing to strip away every freedom we have. I don't buy the "it will never happen because it's America" argument. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in serious discourse.

[ila]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

.....It would not be a surprise if one day, the president or someone in the military higher ups, decides , "you know, all this stuff everyone is posting up or looking for is bad for 'national security' (an excuse more used and abused than ever before, just mention those two words, and they can do whatever they want) or with their little power mongering, and boom, various parts of the internet are shut down...

Have you been reading Tom Clancy and/or Clive Cussler? The US military just does not have that kind of power or influence.

[TracyCoxx]

All it takes is for an incident to happen, such as for some whack-job gunman to gun down a congresswoman, a judge and several other people. Then the liberals start pointing fingers at Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party and their so called hate rhetoric before the blood even dries on the parking lot. It doesn't matter that the left spews the same hate speech. It doesn't matter that it's been much much worse in the past. And it doesn't matter one hill of beans that the gunman is a whack job who doesn't even watch the news or listen to talk radio and never mentioned any of the above right wingers in any of his rants! Because you never let a good crisis go to waste. It only goes to show how necessary it is to take away your freedoms.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

All it takes is for an incident to happen, such as for some whack-job gunman to gun down a congresswoman, a judge and several other people. Then the liberals start pointing fingers at Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party and their so called hate rhetoric before the blood even dries on the parking lot. It doesn't matter that the left spews the same hate speech. It doesn't matter that it's been much much worse in the past. And it doesn't matter one hill of beans that the gunman is a whack job who doesn't even watch the news or listen to talk radio and never mentioned any of the above right wingers in any of his rants! Because you never let a good crisis go to waste. It only goes to show how necessary it is to take away your freedoms.

And this has what do do with the topic of this thread that you yourself started?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

And this has what do do with the topic of this thread that you yourself started?

I am illustrating how incidents like the shooting are constantly used by the left to call for restrictions on free speech. Talk radio is a forum where a few people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc can get on and say whatever is on their minds and a few callers get through and say their mind as well, but the internet is the one forum where anyone can get on and pour out every thought they have to their heart's content. You can have your own private rants. You can discuss with other people, whatever.

Considering that the FCC commissioner, Robert McDowell raised the possibility with bloggers in Washington D.C. of applying the Fairness Doctrine to the internet, where the government would actually regulate content on the web and then that very same FCC voted to regulate the internet, I don't see how you could just shrug your shoulders.

I want the internet to remain a place where free speech is possible. An internet ID is a way for the government to do all kinds of searches. Forget demographics... which people support my policies and which do not?

Of course, I know this will all remain irrelevant to you, since it's not your liberal bias they would be censoring, and you may support free speech for those who agree with you, but I think this obsession the administration has with getting into our lives is dangerous to our freedoms.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I am illustrating how incidents like the shooting are constantly used by the left to call for restrictions on free speech. Talk radio is a forum where a few people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc can get on and say whatever is on their minds and a few callers get through and say their mind as well, but the internet is the one forum where anyone can get on and pour out every thought they have to their heart's content. You can have your own private rants. You can discuss with other people, whatever.

Considering that the FCC commissioner, Robert McDowell raised the possibility with bloggers in Washington D.C. of applying the Fairness Doctrine to the internet, where the government would actually regulate content on the web and then that very same FCC voted to regulate the internet, I don't see how you could just shrug your shoulders.

I want the internet to remain a place where free speech is possible. An internet ID is a way for the government to do all kinds of searches. Forget demographics... which people support my policies and which do not?

Of course, I know this will all remain irrelevant to you, since it's not your liberal bias they would be censoring, and you may support free speech for those who agree with you, but I think this obsession the administration has with getting into our lives is dangerous to our freedoms.

Who the fuck do you think you are to make the statement in bold above? I am NOT a liberal. I do not have a liberal BIAS. You simply assume that because I have questioned your views that I am a liberal.

I have spent time in jail in this country for exercising my free speech rights. How dare you presume that this is irrelevant to me. You have a lot of fucking nerve!

[randolph]

Tracy, I would suggest you read this report. It is so alarming the Obama administration suppressed it after the Republicans freaked out.

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by ila

Have you been reading Tom Clancy and/or Clive Cussler? The US military just does not have that kind of power or influence.

They got the influence

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by ila

Have you been reading Tom Clancy and/or Clive Cussler? The US military just does not have that kind of power or influence.

FEMA has more power then the Military http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html