Ungendering and a Lack of Respect

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by dom4tg

This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:

1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.

2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.

dom4tg

Calling women "women" and men "men" is hardly "politically correct gender terms". One could hazard to say it is simply being correct. The point of this thread is so that people DON"T unintentionally or intentionally insult members of the forum. The site is full of terms that most trans women would not be happy to be called in anything but a porn context with zero comment from the site moderators or the trans women themselves.

One would think that observing the reality that trans women are women wouldn't be controversial here. Individual people have their own individual reasons for liking/desiring/admiring trans bodies and I don't think anyone wants to police the depths of personal desire.

The flip side of this rule is that people don't call "admirers" (chasers, etc.) "fags" - which seems to get most of you all into a massive angst fest. Seems a pretty fair trade to me.

[dom4tg]

Originally Posted by smc

Your points aside, respectful language will be used on this site -- despite the presence of porn -- or there will be consequences.

I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.

Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...

Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?

Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.

Originally Posted by Bionca

Calling women "women" and men "men" is hardly "politically correct gender terms". One could hazard to say it is simply being correct. The point of this thread is so that people DON"T unintentionally or intentionally insult members of the forum. The site is full of terms that most trans women would not be happy to be called in anything but a porn context with zero comment from the site moderators or the trans women themselves.

One would think that observing the reality that trans women are women wouldn't be controversial here. Individual people have their own individual reasons for liking/desiring/admiring trans bodies and I don't think anyone wants to police the depths of personal desire.

The flip side of this rule is that people don't call "admirers" (chasers, etc.) "fags" - which seems to get most of you all into a massive angst fest. Seems a pretty fair trade to me.

Controversial as it may be, I think some people regard trans women not as women but as something other...not necessarily less I should add. Indeed, if I saw m-to-f transgender individuals exactly as women, then I would arguably be attracted to genetic females in exactly the same way, which is certainly not the case.

PS - I personally have no objection to being called, fag, chaser etc., because I confident in my own sexuality/identity that such labels don't mean that much to me. I also accept that gender and sexuality are slippery subjects and it is tempting for people to apply labels for simplicity, whether these are appropriate or not.

dom4tg

[smc]

Originally Posted by dom4tg

I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.

Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...

Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?

Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.





Controversial as it may be, I think some people regard trans women not as women but as something other...not necessarily less I should add. Indeed, if I saw m-to-f transgender individuals exactly as women, then I would arguably be attracted to genetic females in exactly the same way, which is certainly not the case.

PS - I personally have no objection to being called, fag, chaser etc., because I confident in my own sexuality/identity that such labels don't mean that much to me. I also accept that gender and sexuality are slippery subjects and it is tempting for people to apply labels for simplicity, whether these are appropriate or not.

dom4tg

It's an interesting way to begin your participation here on this site: you have two posts (as of this writing), both of which take issue with a longstanding policy here. Bionca sums it up very well.

I suggest you write to the site owner, SSL, and make what you think is a "constructive suggestion." I have every confidence that it will be rejected, because it is not constructive. It is destructive. Words matter, and whether you like it or not -- and whether you think that you can use "PC" pejoratively and make it seem worse -- ungendering as explained in the initial post of this thread will not be tolerated.

[ila]

Originally Posted by dom4tg

I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.

Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...

Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?

Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.

You have only just joined the site and your two posts have been to complain about the site. I have a constructive suggestion for you; if you don't like the site or the rules then feel free to leave.

[Be_my_nude]

Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.

No from me yet - sorry !

[smc]

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.

No from me yet - sorry !

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Bella, for putting it so well.

[dom4tg]

Originally Posted by ila

You have only just joined the site and your two posts have been to complain about the site. I have a constructive suggestion for you; if you don't like the site or the rules then feel free to leave.

It does not matter if I make 2 posts or 200 posts - that should not affect the validity of a comment. The fact is, I don't dislike the site, I just dislike PC nonsense being rammed down my throat by a bunch of hypocrites.

Thanks for making it even clearer that this is the kind of site I want nothing to do with.

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.

No from me yet - sorry !

Apologise ? Do you think that's likely ? The point is that 'offence' in this case is only offence based on daft pc rules - and I see no place for that whatsover in an adult / porn site - no offence (sincerely).

[ila]

Originally Posted by dom4tg

It does not matter if I make 2 posts or 200 posts - that should not affect the validity of a comment. The fact is, I don't dislike the site, I just dislike PC nonsense being rammed down my throat by a bunch of hypocrites.

Thanks for making it even clearer that this is the kind of site I want nothing to do with.

I'll make it easy for you to have nothing to do with this site.

[Tsweet]

The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by Tsweet

The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

I'm thinking this guy "gets it."

Originally Posted by Tsweet

The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

Well said!

[a9127]

Originally Posted by Tsweet

The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

Well said. Haven't seen you around here in a long time. Hope you'll come back my friend.

Andy