Immigration law

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

How convenient for you to have come up with the idea of the dodge. It allows you to avoid the issues of your fallacious way or arguing that I've raised. So, anyone who reads from the beginning might not realize that you are, in fact, the dodger.

I'm dodging because I didn't respond to your dodge? Just stay on the subject.

Originally Posted by smc

Buenos Aires -- what does this have to do with anything? You raised it in a post recently with no connection to anything. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that it was a rhetorical device, inexplicable as it may be.

"if you had read my previous posts fully (complete reading does not seem to be part of your M.O. in this discussion)" I brought it up because it was news that broke that day relevant to illegal immigrants in Arizona. I posted a link to the news story as well.

Originally Posted by smc

Mexican government -- if you had read my previous posts fully (complete reading does not seem to be part of your M.O. in this discussion), you would see that I already ascribed to the Mexican government blame. I also pinned the blame on the U.S. government for propping up a bad Mexican government.

I'm glad to see you give the Mexican govt the blame. I still don't see it above though.

And back to the other subject that you dodged with the fallacy of appeal to ridicule:

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

That's why I'm bringing these things up here in this thread. Because looking at only his actions without hearing any of his reasoning, without giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think the only logical conclusion of his actions alone, is that he's trying to change the demographics of America. But I'm not hearing his reasons. And it's getting harder and harder to give him the benefit of the doubt when he consistently comes down on the side of letting illegals live and work here. So enlighten me. Have you or anyone else heard his reasons?

[randolph]

Tracy- "Thanks, but Rachel wrote that Although I doubt income tax and SS is deducted from their pay checks. They don't have SS numbers and companies usually don't report their illegal workers."

Sorry Tracy, you are wrong there. Most "illegals" have documents (possibly fake) that appear genuine. The employer has no available means to determine authenticity and is not required to investigate. The forms that are filled out when they are hired require several forms of ID. SS and IRS are deducted from their paychecks. I know because I signed the checks. The one case where SS Admin. questioned one of our employees SS, it turns out he was legal and some one had stolen his SS.
Since the funds, SS and IRS, deducted from "illegal" workers checks, end up not being "claimed" by the worker, the money is gravy for the government. Neither the SS Admin or the IRS ever checked the legality of our workers.

[ila]

This thread has deteriorated into a ?he said, she said, they said, we said? discussion. It?s time to get it back on track.

Since the humans first appeared on Earth there has been a constant movement from one place to another. That is how the complete globe has become populated. And no, Randolph, there is no proof that Cro-Magnon man pushed the Neanderthals out of Europe or were even responsible for the extinction of Neanderthals.

The US is not the only country that has experienced a lot of immigration recently. All of the Americas were settled by migration, albeit a process that started during the last ice age. As well Oceania, Europe, and parts of Africa have experienced a lot of immigration.

Documentation of immigrants has only been required for within the last couple of hundred years. If one cares to go back in history the first European immigrants to the Americas did not require any kind of documentation. Nor were there any laws restricting immigration, no prerequisites, and no quotas. Illegal immigration is merely a bureaucratic invention designed to control what humans have been doing for a couple of hundred thousand years.

Now, take the discussion from this point and keep it civil.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

This thread has deteriorated into a ?he said, she said, they said, we said? discussion. It?s time to get it back on track.

Since the humans first appeared on Earth there has been a constant movement from one place to another. That is how the complete globe has become populated. And no, Randolph, there is no proof that Cro-Magnon man pushed the Neanderthals out of Europe or were even responsible for the extinction of Neanderthals.

The US is not the only country that has experienced a lot of immigration recently. All of the Americas were settled by migration, albeit a process that started during the last ice age. As well Oceania, Europe, and parts of Africa have experienced a lot of immigration.

Documentation of immigrants has only been required for within the last couple of hundred years. If one cares to go back in history the first European immigrants to the Americas did not require any kind of documentation. Nor were there any laws restricting immigration, no prerequisites, and no quotas. Illegal immigration is merely a bureaucratic invention designed to control what humans have been doing for a couple of hundred thousand years.

Now, take the discussion from this point and keep it civil.

This is from wikipedia.
Rapid extinction

Jared Diamond has suggested a scenario of violent conflict comparable to the genocides suffered by indigenous peoples in recent human history.[9] Another possibility raised by Diamond and others, paralleling colonialist history, would be a greater susceptibility on the part of the Neanderthals to pathogens introduced by Cro-Magnon man. Diamond argues that asymmetry in susceptibility to pathogens is a consequence of the difference in lifestyle.[citation needed]
[edit] Competitive replacement

Even a slight competitive advantage on the part of modern humans could account for Neanderthals' replacement by anatomically modern humans on a timescale of 10,000-20,000 years.[4]
The theory that early humans violently replaced Neanderthals was first proposed by French palaeontologist Marcellin Boule (the first person to publish an analysis of a Neanderthal) in 1912.[10]
Another supporter of competitive replacement is Jared Diamond who points out in his book The Third Chimpanzee that the genocidal replacement of Neanderthals by modern humans is similar to modern human patterns of behavior that occur whenever people with advanced technology invade the territory of less advanced people.[11]


You ignored the points I tried to make from my own experience and nit picked the Neanderthal issue. So much for staying on track.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Sorry Tracy, you are wrong there. Most "illegals" have documents (possibly fake) that appear genuine.

Well that's lovely

[Amy]

I can't help but laugh at this ridiculous american border fence.


The Romans tried something similar in my country.
20 feet high.
10 feet wide.
75 miles long.
Built of stone.
Along the tops of cliffs for half its length.
Garrisoned by 9000 soldiers.


If THAT didn't manage to stop illegal immigrants, how's a cheap fence which can be circumvented in under 30 seconds supposed to?

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by Amy

I can't help but laugh at this ridiculous american border fence.


The Romans tried something similar in my country.
20 feet high.
10 feet wide.
75 miles long.
Built of stone.
Along the tops of cliffs for half its length.
Garrisoned by 9000 soldiers.


If THAT didn't manage to stop illegal immigrants, how's a cheap fence which can be circumvented in under 30 seconds supposed to?

I called for the idea of the .50 cal fence one every half mile will cover the border. We are supposed to be at war arent we?

[Rachel]

SMC you should know me well enough by now that I dont go into lengthy diatribes. I like to keep my answers short and sweet and to the point. Yes I read every post, I can read very quickly. However I dont spend much time at the computer to compose a rambling manifesto. So I'll answer the point that I see most fit. Hey at least I'm participating no? Anyway back to the subject... Criminalizing behavior? Hmmm they want to immigrate but wont/cant do it the right way. Enter a country ILLEGALY=criminal behavior. Am I supposed to feel sorry for them that they were born in Mexico? And no, I'm not going to use my guns to commit criminal acts. I am not a criminal like every one of the illegal aliens is. Still dont see your point on that. I wouldnt call it a dodge I was going to say changing the subject. But once again, I'm not on here that often to make those quick replies.