Terror in my country :(

[itbewayne]

Terrorism, in the modern sense, is violence, the threat of violence, or other harmful acts committed for political or ideological goals.

Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).

"There is the famous statement: 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.' But that is grossly misleading. It assesses the validity of the cause when terrorism is an act. One can have a perfectly beautiful cause and yet if one commits terrorist acts, it is terrorism regardless

[2WayStreet]

Make LOVE not WAR

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by 2WayStreet

Make LOVE not WAR

exactly...........

Originally Posted by itbewayne

There is the famous statement: 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.' But that is grossly misleading. It assesses the validity of the cause when terrorism is an act. One can have a perfectly beautiful cause and yet if one commits terrorist acts, it is terrorism regardless

True, true.
The Kurdistan Workers want a free Kurdistan...well, fuck them. If they keep causing trouble, Turkey might very well be provoked into a full invasion of Iraqi Kurdistan. I'm talking massive regional destabilization. Iraqi Kurdistan is the most secure area of Iraq, and the last thing it needs is total war between the PKK and the Turkish Armed Forces.

What is Kurdistan ? What is that, my friend ? Is there a place called Kurdistan in the world ?

Someone's terrorist is someone's freedom fighter, it is true.
But if u want something that is not belong to u, the other side will prevent this. And if you don't understand that is not belong to u again, the other side have rights everything to protect its belongings.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by Tux

For me, pkk are not terrorists, they are fighting a fight, wich for them are a freedom-fight.. That is bad in it self, because people eventually die horribly..
For them it is fighting for the survival of their culture and so on... etc. etc..

Terror is not a tool for sane people. Its a weapon cherished by bottom feeding shitheads and Cowards.

If a man of honour is annoyed by someone, he should strike that particular someone. But a coward who really sucks at fighting and actually shits his pants to face the enemy upfront, will kill any innocent unarmed child, totally unrelated to the target. And perhaps flaunt and prance around bragging about his sickening deed!

Terrorists are specks of mud on the face of the earth. They have no purpose, no honour, no heart. They are just greedy, thoughtless machines of destruction, toys in the hands of corrupted politicians.

May God rid the beautiful planet from them, for good. Amen.

[sesame]

I believe in the idea of forgiveness. Hatred breeds more Hatred! Its absolutely true. So Christ has said, "Love your enemy, forgive your tormentor." Buddha and Jaina Tirthankaras have preached Ahimsa.

But when you come to think of it, can you really forgive the heartless brutes? Love or compassion is the tendermost treasure of the heart. Why should I offer it to someone who has no heart at all, who have become a killing machine? "You gotta kill to live." What kind of a philosophy is that? Kill whom, kill anyone? They havent got the balls to lay a finger on the Govt., the ministers, the army... so they kill the poor, the helpless, the unarmed, the innocent and the unsuspecting civilians. The terrorists are becoming more cowardly by the hour! In the past, they used guns. Now they are using car-bombs and toy-bombs.

Tagore was perhaps thinking of these fiends, when he wrote:

Prashna (The question)

God, you have sent messengers life after life,
To this callous earth;
They have said 'Forgive all sins' they have told us 'Love-from your heart all malice remove'
They are venerable men, worthy of reverence, but we
In these dark days reject them with ritual futility.
I see secret violence under cover of darkness
Slaughtering the helpless,
I see the just weeping in solitary silence,
No power to protest, their only offence,
I see tender youths hitting out blindly
Cracking their heads against stones in their agony
Today my voice is choked, my flute is without note,
The prison of the no-moon night
Has extinguished my world, given me nightmares;
And this is why I ask, through my tears - Those who poison your air and blot out the sun;
Do you truly fogive them, do you truly love them?




Also, please dont compare Freedom-fighters, martyrs with lowly terrorists! Freedom fighters like Braveheart (Irish) faught with honour and valour against the English Govt., against the Army, against warlords who were raping Ireland. He never took the lives of innocent civilians. Those were Great men.

The terrorists only aim to strike terror in the heart of the Govt. by torturing unarmed, simpleton civilians. What is the honour in that? They are dishonourable cowards, who are like toys in the pockets of corrupted Politicians. The terrorists put up a mock pretence of enmity against the Politicians who patronize them. Hah! Valour, my foot!

[sesame]

Braveheart was declared the official Guardian of Scotland!
He was a true Hero.


AND


Below is a Blind, Pudding-head, peabrain generalisation:
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Its like saying, "Anything that has four legs is a cow!"

i don't know anything about the sittuation in turkey, this is simply my views on the word terorism.

The definition of the word terorism is a nebulous one, i'm not even going to try to put it on here because it is so long and confusing and is not agreed on internationaly, however the most basic definiton of the word is as follows:
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
i think just about every country in the world is guilty of that at one time or another, but since the second world war, the united states of america have been the world leaders in this practice.
there seems to be an asumption that if a group is fighting a guerila campaign they are automaticaly terorists, or if they ever kill inocent people they are terorists.
sometimes gueriila tactics are the only option people have available to them, look to the examples of world war 2 resistance movments, they planted bombs, shot people and done whatever else they thought necesary and i'm sure they killed some inocent people along the way, such is the nature of war.
many groups over the years have been deemed to be terorists by the people they where fighting and or the (international comunity) another nebulous term, because they didn't have the means to fight a traditional war. which is why a fifteen year old palastinian suicide bomber, blowing up a bus load of people is concidered a terorist without question, but an israeli airforce pilot who takes out a city block because there may or may not be one or two enemy combatants somewhere within is concidered not to be. i'm not picking sides in that particular conflict i'm simply using it as an example of the double standard we see every day. i know which of the two i find more terifying.

everyone should ask themselves "what would i do in that situation" what would you do if your couintry was invaded and its army's desamated, or some right wing regime came to power in your country, or your family where wiped out in air strike that missed its target and landed on your house while you where at work, or whatever. you might laugh and say how unlikly those things are to happen for alot of the people in the world these things a daily reality.
as unlikly as it is to happen to me living as i do in the western world i find it reasuring knowing that if things ever get to fucked up, and we're invaded by religeous fundamentalist or nazzi type's or whatever else might happen that i will at the very least go down swinging.