Barack Obama

[jimnaseum]

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OK, lets wrap this up...Would SOMEBODY tell me Bush's greatest achievement?

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

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OK, lets wrap this up...Would SOMEBODY tell me Bush's greatest achievement?

That's so easy: TAX CUTS.

The best way to buy a vote legally.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

OWWWCH!!! Another post deleted?
OK, lets wrap this up...Would SOMEBODY tell me Bush's greatest achievement?

For the country? Taking the fight to Al Qaeda after 9/11 and keeping America safe from 9/11 till the end of his presidency. This is something Obama has failed at. He's lost soldiers at Fort Hood because of domestic terrorism and came dangerously close to losing hundreds of American civilians on xmas from that underwear-bomber. You will say why didn't Bush stop 9/11, and I'll remind you the hijackers were already in the country before Bush took office. And something else you probably didn't know is that he went from Clinton's neglect of Al Qaeda to signing an order for military action against Al Qaeda on September 10th, 2001. It might have been sooner if his transition into office hadn't been delayed by Gore's antics.

What else is his greatest achievement from my perspective? Initiating the Moon/Mars exploration program at Nasa. It's been 38 years since we've been beyond low Earth orbit and there's still several years to go, but we're finally on track.

[ila]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

For the country? Taking the fight to Al Qaeda after 9/11 and keeping America safe from 9/11 till the end of his presidency. This is something Obama has failed at. He's lost soldiers at Fort Hood because of domestic terrorism and came dangerously close to losing hundreds of American civilians on xmas from that underwear-bomber......

I like reading your posts, Tracy. You bring a sane perspective to all the antiBush rantings that are so common throughout your country. I would like to know though why you blame Obama for what happened at Fort Hood. I don't think that anyone could have prevented that except those in the army.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by ila

I like reading your posts, Tracy. You bring a sane perspective to all the antiBush rantings that are so common throughout your country. I would like to know though why you blame Obama for what happened at Fort Hood. I don't think that anyone could have prevented that except those in the army.

It is more of Clintons fault than anything. When he was in office, he mandated that on any military installation, any weapon not in use for training be locked up, effectively disarming everyone on base. Before that, people could carry sidearms on base. Had another troop been armed, alot less people would have been hurt and the Major would have had a couple more orifices to breathe out of. That and Clintons EO policies which if you aren't "tolerant" towards other people's feelings or background, could get you canned or possibly sent to Leavenworth. Had anyone protested or questioned the Major's recent evangelical and radical positions, odds are, he could have complained about them being "racist" or "xenophobic" and ruined that persons career.


Feel free to blame "Bubba" for Ft. Hood.

[Talvenada]

ILA:

We south of the border have an interesting dynamic of debate: honest and political. In an honest debate you deal in only facts or bluffs. In a political debate a Conse 'Pub (conse-rvative re-pub-lican) can claim that Obama is NOT an American, and that is an EQUAL opinion.

Using that yardstick, any attack that occurred on American soil is due to Clinton or Obama. Conse 'Pubs feel insulted when they are mocked, and they feel outrage over Obama on a daily basis for what he last did or will do or is doing. We used to have this only during election time, we now have it every day, and it used to be called silly season.

TAL

[Talvenada]

ILA:

According to Cheney, hundreds of thousands of lives were saved, because of their policies.



TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by ila

I like reading your posts, Tracy. You bring a sane perspective to all the antiBush rantings that are so common throughout your country. I would like to know though why you blame Obama for what happened at Fort Hood. I don't think that anyone could have prevented that except those in the army.

Thank you I blame Obama indirectly. He is the one who sets the tone of political correctness that we can't allow to get in the way of security. See here.

Originally Posted by randolph

Oh boy! Tracy, you are amazing! How can such an intelligent person be so biased and then actually blame Gore for 9/11!

What? I didn't blame Gore for 9/11. I said Gore antics delayed Bush's transition.

Originally Posted by randolph

Tracy--"It might have been sooner if his transition into office hadn't been delayed by Gore's antics."

The implication of this statement is that if Bush had had more time, he could have prevented 9/11. This is total BS!

How? Considering that Bush had a certain amount of time to work on the Al Qaeda problem, and that it progressed to the point that he signed an order for military action on September 10th. Obviously if he started working on the problem sooner, he would have initiated military action sooner. When you look at the fact that Bush was delayed in receiving funds to start his administration, and putting together his cabinet because of the contested election, you have to realize that that delayed any action against Al Qaeda. Or am I a Time Lord and therefore the only one able to see such complexities in SpaceTime?

Originally Posted by NyTimes

Senior Clinton administration officials called to testify next week before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush administration counterparts in late 2000 that Al Qaeda posed the worst security threat facing the nation -- and how the new administration was slow to act.

Yes, they did warn Bush. But later than they would have if Bush had been given the win earlier. Also, Bush was unable to assemble a team to act on the information. Also remember who the source is. Bill Clinton does not want to look like they dropped the ball. But if they had such urgent warnings, why didn't they act on it? Why didn't they at least hand Bush their draft of a plan of attack?

[tslust]

Originally Posted by ila

I like reading your posts, Tracy. You bring a sane perspective to all the antiBush rantings that are so common throughout your country. I would like to know though why you blame Obama for what happened at Fort Hood. I don't think that anyone could have prevented that except those in the army.

The Ft. Hood shooter had a questionable record. First he lied on his papers to get into the Army (under nationality he listed palestinian, when he was born and raised in Virginia), he repeatedly stated that he admired the suicide bombers, when he interned at Walter Reed he was trying to convert his patients and other staff to islam, and he was already under investigation for posting on terrorist websites. Every time someone raised a concern about him, it was ignored.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

For the country? Taking the fight to Al Qaeda after 9/11 and keeping America safe from 9/11 till the end of his presidency. This is something Obama has failed at. He's lost soldiers at Fort Hood because of domestic terrorism and came dangerously close to losing hundreds of American civilians on xmas from that underwear-bomber. You will say why didn't Bush stop 9/11, and I'll remind you the hijackers were already in the country before Bush took office. And something else you probably didn't know is that he went from Clinton's neglect of Al Qaeda to signing an order for military action against Al Qaeda on September 10th, 2001. It might have been sooner if his transition into office hadn't been delayed by Gore's antics.

What else is his greatest achievement from my perspective? Initiating the Moon/Mars exploration program at Nasa. It's been 38 years since we've been beyond low Earth orbit and there's still several years to go, but we're finally on track.

Oh boy! Tracy, you are amazing! How can such an intelligent person be so biased and then actually blame Gore for 9/11!

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Oh boy! Tracy, you are amazing! How can such an intelligent person be so biased and then actually blame Gore for 9/11!

Read it again Mr. randolph. She said nothing of the like.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Read it again Mr. randolph. She said nothing of the like.

Tracy--"It might have been sooner if his transition into office hadn't been delayed by Gore's antics."

The implication of this statement is that if Bush had had more time, he could have prevented 9/11. This is total BS!

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by randolph

Oh boy! Tracy, you are amazing! How can such an intelligent person be so biased and then actually blame Gore for 9/11!

RANDY:

Didn't you know that according to Dana Perino, there were no domestic attacks on Bush's term.

St. Rudy of 9-11 said there were no attacks under Bush and 1 under Obama, but then his staff changed it to after 9-11. He forgot, no doubt. Or he meant to say, or he meant.

Mary Matilin said Bush inherited 9-11.

We were attacked under Clinton & Obama, while Bush-Cheney kept us safe.

Rush Limbaugh blamed Obama for the economy in 9/08, and like Palin said about us: Quit making things up.


You and I have opinions, and so do they. One of them on this board feels Obama is not an American. He's an illegal alien who plotted his way into office. and fooled all but a few Conse 'Pubs. He needs to be arrested and imprisoned. Now, if I was a rich Conse 'Pub, I'd buy a majority in the house and senate to impeach and convict Obama after the 11/4/10 election. Just buy what you need to convict and imprison Obama for deliberately trying to ruin the country, like Coulter knows for a fact. Conse 'Pubs on The SC have evened the playing field that was unfair to Conse 'Pubs, no doubt.

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You will say why didn't Bush stop 9/11, and I'll remind you the hijackers were already in the country before Bush took office. And something else you probably didn't know is that he went from Clinton's neglect of Al Qaeda to signing an order for military action against Al Qaeda on September 10th, 2001. It might have been sooner if his transition into office hadn't been delayed by Gore's antics.

1) The attack would have happened regardless of who was in office. They were already here so the finding of the terrorists would have been a job for our alphabet agencies. That shows failure of our security measures and our policies which were emplaced by Clinton who knew about the threat and brushed it aside.

2) He recognized a threat and did not casually blow it off. Could he have found the terrorists had his order been signed earlier? Probably not. Our measures are more defensive and reactive in nature. Bush actually had an offensive mindset and took the fight to them rather than bending over and taking it in the ass.

3) I guarantee you that if Gore won, he would blow off the threat of Al-Qaeda just like his predecessor and once we were attacked, he would try to engage in "peaceful dialogue" and "empathy" or "understanding" with Al-Qaeda. Meanwhile his little tip-toeing would present the country as spineless and invite even more attacks against us.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

1) The attack would have happened regardless of who was in office. They were already here so the finding of the terrorists would have been a job for our alphabet agencies. That shows failure of our security measures and our policies which were emplaced by Clinton who knew about the threat and brushed it aside.

2) He recognized a threat and did not casually blow it off. Could he have found the terrorists had his order been signed earlier? Probably not. Our measures are more defensive and reactive in nature. Bush actually had an offensive mindset and took the fight to them rather than bending over and taking it in the ass.

3) I guarantee you that if Gore won, he would blow off the threat of Al-Qaeda just like his predecessor and once we were attacked, he would try to engage in "peaceful dialogue" and "empathy" or "understanding" with Al-Qaeda. Meanwhile his little tip-toeing would present the country as spineless and invite even more attacks against us.

This was from the NY Times, 2004

Senior Clinton administration officials called to testify next week before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush administration counterparts in late 2000 that Al Qaeda posed the worst security threat facing the nation -- and how the new administration was slow to act. They said the warnings were delivered in urgent post-election intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 for Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser; Stephen Hadley, now Ms. Rice's deputy; and Philip D. Zelikow, a member of the Bush transition team, among others.
One official scheduled to testify, Richard A. Clarke, who was President Bill Clinton's counterterrorism coordinator, said in an interview that the warning about the Qaeda threat could not have been made more bluntly to the incoming Bush officials in intelligence briefings that he led.
At the time of the briefings, there was extensive evidence tying Al Qaeda to the bombing in Yemen two months earlier of an American warship, the Cole, in which 17 sailors were killed.
''It was very explicit,'' Mr. Clarke said of the warning given to the Bush administration officials. ''Rice was briefed, and Hadley was briefed, and Zelikow sat in.'' Mr. Clarke served as Mr. Bush's counterterrorism chief in the early months of the administration, but after Sept. 11 was given a more limited portfolio as the president's cyberterrorism adviser.

You guys seem to have rather short memories.

[jimnaseum]

President Clinton took the fight to Bin Laden when he dropped a cruise missile in his camp in August '98. Missed him by two hours. Republicans called this a publicity stunt to divert attention from Monica Lewinski. It was actually this attack that probably prompted 9-11.