Baseball

[smc]

Originally Posted by transjen

Perhaps this may help breast development is only one of many possiable side effects so he may not have any, Poor guy fyi haveing breast is great i love mine
Jerseygirl Jen

Two things I'm sure of:

1. If growing breasts requires something as harmful to the rest of the body as steroids, it can't possibly be worth the price.

2. At the risk of being too forward, Jen's are lovely. (Don't get me wrong; I haven't seen them, I'm just speculating.)

At some point, I'll get back to baseball!

[transjen]

Originally Posted by smc

Two things I'm sure of:

1. If growing breasts requires something as harmful to the rest of the body as steroids, it can't possibly be worth the price.

2. At the risk of being too forward, Jen's are lovely. (Don't get me wrong; I haven't seen them, I'm just speculating.)

At some point, I'll get back to baseball!

Granted most guys would not be happy grewing breasts plus some of the other things that could happen down under

I didn't get my breasts from riods mine were thanks to female hormones and implants and i've been told they look great and i'm happy with em
Jerseygirl Jen

[smc]

Originally Posted by transjen

I didn't get my breasts from riods mine were thanks to female hormones and implants and i've been told they look great and i'm happy with em
Jerseygirl Jen

I hope no one thought I was even hinting that they came from steroids -- because the thought never crossed my mind.

And now for some more baseball:

Brad Lidge had what is being called "minor arthroscopic right knee surgery" yesterday. It makes one wonder (as I am sure every Phillies fan is doing): did they take the occasion to install some kind of drama-reduction device in his body so that you Phillies fans can have less of a heart-attack reaction when he's called from the bullpen?!?!

[transjen]

It would explain why he had a lot of trouble closing games last year as his delivery was out of step i'm only wondering why he didn't do this sooner as one of the pitching coachs should have seen his delievery was out of whack
Jerseygirl Jen

The present controversy regarding PED?s in baseball and other professional sports is actually nothing new. Nor is it likely to ?go away? anytime soon. I have been following this thread for a while and hope this post and the links I?ve provided below will help in understanding the current situation. As some of you know from my other posts and PM?s I played defensive end and linebacker in high-school and college, was a personal trainer for a while, and still workout regularly. So I have some first-hand knowledge of this issue. Over the years I witnessed a great deal of ?steroid abuse? and am frankly surprised that it has taken this long for the general public to realize how rampant PED?s are in all of sports. I remember the 1998 baseball season well and telling all my friends that McGwire and Sosa had to be doing something. Of course the reaction I usually got was ?no, man, they?re just big guys!? When I was in junior-high and beginning to lift, I remember asking my coaches about Arnold and Lou Ferrigno and was told ?they just work hard.? Only when I got into organized football later in high-school did PED?s come out into the ?open.? Based on my own experiences, I personally wouldn?t put it past anyone in professional sports (yes, all sports--even golf and basketball) to try using something to get an ?edge?--the stakes are simply too high and the amount of money to be made is unbelievable. Even my beloved Colts are suspect (disclaimer: I have two friends that play for them).

For the record, I have never taken anything that was illegal and couldn?t be purchased at a health food store or someplace like GNC. However I had ample opportunities (especially in college) and seriously considered it. I can?t help but wonder if taking these things would?ve made a difference in my own performance--my major weakness was being ?undersized? and ?slow? for an NFL pass rusher. My college coach wanted me to ?bulk up? to about 290-300 and try playing nose tackle--but looking back I?m glad I never took anything like steroids or HGH. Today, I take Creatine before and after each workout as well as ZMA and protein supplements. I?ll be 40 this year and consider myself to be in the best shape of my life. And my six-figure income as a professor over a twenty or thirty year career will be more than what many NFL players make in a short career. I hope young people think about things like this before they start taking steroids, HGH, or whatever. It?s not worth it--at least I didn?t think so.

What should baseball do about these records? I really don?t know. Really don?t. On one hand, there was clearly ?usage? and records were broken. Was it ?illegal?? ?Unethical?? This isn?t the first time in history PED?s have been used. I have included a couple of links that readers might be interested in. Pud Galvin was the first ?300? game winner. Was he ?jucing?? Read the article, it was considered OK back then. Should Pud be ?banned?? I will admit that the Summer of 1998 was very exciting and I remember watching McGwire hit number 62 with my Dad. Should the records stand? Do you think Big Mac would have hit ?70? without drugs? Would Barry Bonds have hit as many? I personally don?t think so. But I don?t have a good answer for what to do about those records. Maybe all sports records should be viewed in the ?context? of the era that they were set. At least the recent rash of players and bodybuilders ?coming clean? about using steroids brings this issue out into the open where it can be discussed. Now at least we aren?t trying to ?deny? it?s use as when I was a teenager in the 80?s (of course I knew better--so did my teammates--LOL!). Performance ?enhancement? is an area that is not going to go away--it may not be the drugs and supplements used today--but there will always be those seeking to gain an advantage.

Read about ?Pud? here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5314753

Read about ?Dr. Ziegler? here:
http://www.slate.com/id/2113752/

[transjen]

Originally Posted by aw9725

The present controversy regarding PED’s in baseball and other professional sports is actually nothing new. Nor is it likely to “go away” anytime soon. I have been following this thread for a while and hope this post and the links I’ve provided below will help in understanding the current situation. As some of you know from my other posts and PM’s I played defensive end and linebacker in high-school and college, was a personal trainer for a while, and still workout regularly. So I have some first-hand knowledge of this issue. Over the years I witnessed a great deal of “steroid abuse” and am frankly surprised that it has taken this long for the general public to realize how rampant PED’s are in all of sports. I remember the 1998 baseball season well and telling all my friends that McGwire and Sosa had to be doing something. Of course the reaction I usually got was “no, man, they’re just big guys!” When I was in junior-high and beginning to lift, I remember asking my coaches about Arnold and Lou Ferrigno and was told “they just work hard.” Only when I got into organized football later in high-school did PED’s come out into the “open.” Based on my own experiences, I personally wouldn’t put it past anyone in professional sports (yes, all sports--even golf and basketball) to try using something to get an “edge”--the stakes are simply too high and the amount of money to be made is unbelievable. Even my beloved Colts are suspect (disclaimer: I have two friends that play for them).

For the record, I have never taken anything that was illegal and couldn’t be purchased at a health food store or someplace like GNC. However I had ample opportunities (especially in college) and seriously considered it. I can’t help but wonder if taking these things would’ve made a difference in my own performance--my major weakness was being “undersized” and “slow” for an NFL pass rusher. My college coach wanted me to “bulk up” to about 290-300 and try playing nose tackle--but looking back I’m glad I never took anything like steroids or HGH. Today, I take Creatine before and after each workout as well as ZMA and protein supplements. I’ll be 40 this year and consider myself to be in the best shape of my life. And my six-figure income as a professor over a twenty or thirty year career will be more than what many NFL players make in a short career. I hope young people think about things like this before they start taking steroids, HGH, or whatever. It’s not worth it--at least I didn’t think so.

What should baseball do about these records? I really don’t know. Really don’t. On one hand, there was clearly “usage” and records were broken. Was it “illegal”? “Unethical”? This isn’t the first time in history PED’s have been used. I have included a couple of links that readers might be interested in. Pud Galvin was the first “300” game winner. Was he “jucing”? Read the article, it was considered OK back then. Should Pud be “banned”? I will admit that the Summer of 1998 was very exciting and I remember watching McGwire hit number 62 with my Dad. Should the records stand? Do you think Big Mac would have hit “70” without drugs? Would Barry Bonds have hit as many? I personally don’t think so. But I don’t have a good answer for what to do about those records. Maybe all sports records should be viewed in the “context” of the era that they were set. At least the recent rash of players and bodybuilders “coming clean” about using steroids brings this issue out into the open where it can be discussed. Now at least we aren’t trying to “deny” it’s use as when I was a teenager in the 80’s (of course I knew better--so did my teammates--LOL!). Performance “enhancement” is an area that is not going to go away--it may not be the drugs and supplements used today--but there will always be those seeking to gain an advantage.

Read about “Pud” here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5314753

Read about “Dr. Ziegler” here:
http://www.slate.com/id/2113752/

All we the fans can do about the records set in the riods era is just take it with a geain of salt as it wasn't just one or two players and as Roger Clemons proved pichters were also taking needles in the butt
But sadly in the end these records stand but for all time HR'S yes Bonds has the record but i admire Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth more as they did it the proper way
Jerseygirl Jen

Originally Posted by transjen

All we the fans can do about the records set in the riods era is just take it with a geain of salt as it wasn't just one or two players and as Roger Clemons proved pichters were also taking needles in the butt
But sadly in the end these records stand but for all time HR'S yes Bonds has the record but i admire Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth more as they did it the proper way
Jerseygirl Jen

You know something Jen? I think people will remember Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth years from now and the current players of the "Steroid Era" will long be forgotten.

[shadows]

Originally Posted by transjen

It would explain why he had a lot of trouble closing games last year as his delivery was out of step i'm only wondering why he didn't do this sooner as one of the pitching coachs should have seen his delievery was out of whack
Jerseygirl Jen

A lot of players play through pain or injuries. They know that if they miss time during the season, they may lose their spot due to their replacement playing well during their absence.

[smc]

Dan Shaughnessy, a sports columnist for The Boston Globe, has an interesting column in today's issue on the McGwire matter. I'm not a big fan of Shaughnessy, but it's worth reading his perspective.

Here's a link:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._us_roid_rage/

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by shadows

A lot of players play through pain or injuries. They know that if they miss time during the season, they may lose their spot due to their replacement playing well during their absence.

SHADOW MAN:

Yeah, Hamels takes all the proper precautions, and he gets questioned as soft by fans and media. It's a no-win situation.

Lidge had his best year in '08 and worst year in '09, but he'll be late by a couple weeks for a season that will be neither perfect nor brutal. Madson or Baez will fill in for 2 weeks, which is no big deal.

TAL

[transjen]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

SHADOW MAN:

Yeah, Hamels takes all the proper precautions, and he gets questioned as soft by fans and media. It's a no-win situation.
TAL

Very true but just ask yourself had they done the same for Sandy Koufax how many more years would he have pitched?
Not sure who said it but i rember hearing the act of pitching a baseball is one of the most unnatural motions ever for the human body
Jerseygirl Jen