Barack Obama

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Oklahoma, the heartland of conservatism only 3% of high school students could pass the citizenship test. Only a few knew who was the first president of the US.
Its the parents of these kids, yelling and screaming in these idiotic tea parties.

Wrong again. It's everyday working people who don't want the government telling them how to handle their personal lives.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Wrong again. It's everyday working people who don't want the government telling them how to handle their personal lives.

Ok, then why have any goverment at all? If you believe that everyone for themself then why have a president, congress and a senate?
Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

Ok, then why have any goverment at all? If you believe that everyone for themself then why have a president, congress and a senate?
Jerseygirl Jen

I am not talking about anarchy or any nonsense like that. I am talking about social welfare programs and handouts that are incredibly cynical by nature and only serve to make the populace dependent on the government; Universal Healthcare being one of them.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

I am not talking about anarchy or any nonsense like that. I am talking about social welfare programs and handouts that are incredibly cynical by nature and only serve to make the populace dependent on the government; Universal Healthcare being one of them.

If you want to end social welfare then you need to make all companies pay a living wage which the last time i checked the GOP was agianst any such messure, For there ten years of runing the house and senate min wage didn't raise 1 cent


Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Minimum wage is another thing only hurts the people that it was aimed to "help".

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Minimum wage is another thing only hurts the people that it was aimed to "help".

Oh spare me the BS on how the workers can trust big business to treat them far if they give them total free rain, What a load of crap every time there is talk about raising the min wage the GOP cries it will hurt bisiness and cause massive job loses then they add that nobody but teenagers get paid min wage, The greedie CEOS should all take a 200% pay cut and give each worker a living wage as trickle down was the biggest FU to the average worker


Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

Oh spare me the BS on how the workers can trust big business to treat them far if they give them total free rain, What a load of crap every time there is talk about raising the min wage the GOP cries it will hurt bisiness and cause massive job loses then they add that nobody but teenagers get paid min wage, The greedie CEOS should all take a 200% pay cut and give each worker a living wage as trickle down was the biggest FU to the average worker


Jerseygirl Jen

This isn't OCP from Robocop or the Umbrella Corporation! Take a look
around where you are at. While there may be alot of big businesses in certain areas, the majority of businesses are small businesses. And believe it or not, every business, big or small, has what is called "operating costs". That means there are costs that have to be met in order to maintain the company and still make a profit; updating/maintaining machinery and paying workers being some of them. If you overburden a company with exorbitant costs (like minimum wage and mandatory health insurance) they are going to do 1 of 3 things: 1) Try to maintain the current feasibility of the company without changing a thing, resulting in the company going under, 2) they will charge more for their products, or 3) they are going to cut costs by cutting work time or firing/laying off workers. Out of all of those choices, #3 is more than likely going to happen which screws the people that it is supposedly trying to help and also eliminates competition which means less work in general.

If you are so against businesses, there is something called "boycotting" and "voting with your checkbook".

Oh yeah Jen, read Article 1, Sections 7,8 and 9 of the US Constitution for what the role and powers of the Government should be.