Thoughts on UFO's??

[violet lightning]

You know what gripes me about UFO's (and I want to believe, but I am skeptical) is there isn't any good video footage still.
There was a time not too long ago, when no one had managed to get a good shot of a tornado in action. A little hard with the old film cameras, but once movie cameras and especially video cameras and cellphones came along, we see video of them all the time. (in HD no less!) The same with rogue waves. Anectdotal evidence had been around for centuries , but it wasn't until the 1990's I think, that someone aboard a tanker finally got one on film just as it hit. Remote sensors have picked them up too and were able to measure wave height.
But still no good UFO footage, even though its more sought after than Osama Bin Laden.

And not to mention "underwater UFOs" ....

[runround04]

if there are Aliens and they Visit why dont they stay, commicate... and so on? Whats so wrong with us?

[violet lightning]

:D I still like my stellar nursery (or agricultural station) idea!
Earth could be a nursery where all kinds of life grows. UFO's might be remote or piloted but simply don't want to bother us (the inhabitants) while they go about their business of checking on various species progress, etc.
Maybe cattle mutilations (if they really exist) are the results of organ harvesting for tests or some other reason. (like the way we are starting to grow human ears and such on the backs of mice)

What blows me away about life on earth is just how much and how varied it is! And how strange the various species are and how different from each other. (I suppose at the DNA level though, we may all be pretty close) As I said before, we have all kinds of bacteria, viruses, plants, trees, insects, retiles. mammals, birds, fish, bi-valves, luminous jellyfish, and probably lots we haven't discovered yet. Life that lives in permafrost ice and life that thrives on chemicals instead of sunlight at the bottom of the ocean.
Many scientists agree that at least some life on Earth could be the result of meteors and the like bringing alien life to Earth,so the idea that some civiliazation may have done it on purpose does not seem too far fetched.
(I think Carl Sagan said "We are all made of stardust")

The other, more likely explanation (although not nearly as fun to ponder!), is that UFO.s are the result of secret military projects. (like the Stealth fighter and bomber projects) That might explain why no good footage is ever seen. Its confiscated.
The military is working on lots of new ideas, but one I know of is the development of UAV's, (unmanned aerial vehicles) for surveilance, counter insurgency and combat. The "Predator" is one example, but I bet they have all kinds of smaller and larger types for a variety of purposes. (small, hover-capable ones for urban surveillance, quiet, strange-looking.... hey, what if you crossed a small blimp or balloon with a radio control model and fitted it with night vision, fleer, or whatever...)

[tslust]

Originally Posted by violet lightning

The other, more likely explanation (although not nearly as fun to ponder!), is that UFO.s are the result of secret military projects. (like the Stealth fighter and bomber projects) That might explain why no good footage is ever seen. Its confiscated.
The military is working on lots of new ideas, but one I know of is the development of UAV's, (unmanned aerial vehicles) for surveilance, counter insurgency and combat. The "Predator" is one example, but I bet they have all kinds of smaller and larger types for a variety of purposes. (small, hover-capable ones for urban surveillance, quiet, strange-looking.... hey, what if you crossed a small blimp or balloon with a radio control model and fitted it with night vision, fleer, or whatever...)

I remember one time my family and I were at Whiteman Air Force Base. One of the B-2 pilots was giving a tour of the simulator building. He said, "We don't always know what this thing [the B-2 bomber] will do. It still does things that we don't know why or how."
So, you might not be too far off. Either UFOs are test craft of the DOD, or (another possibility) they use reverse engineered parts from an already crashed UFO. I once spoke to an Air Force veteran, he told me that he spent a year at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. He was assigned to guard a hanger. The hanger was filled with boxes and crates and was sealed. His orders were to shoot on sight if anyone crossed a line about 150 yards in tront of his post.

[Rachel]

While fishing on Stellwagon Bank about 150 miles east of Montauk L.I , I saw a silver object in the sky. This object was at an extreme altitude yet left no contrail. It was moving fast as I saw it but then really poured on the throttle and was gone. Now being that far out to the East we were clear of the city smog. I was laying flat on my back on top of my cooler looking up into a clear blue sky. I saw this object for about 5 seconds. This was the first of two things I've seen that cant be explained. More to come...

[NCC-1701]

if we can exist, in an infinite universe, so can other plants support life but we seem to think of all life as carbon based, what about silicon based life or gaseous? just cause we dont know, doesnt mean it aint life

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by violet lightning

What blows me away about life on earth is just how much and how varied it is! And how strange the various species are and how different from each other. (I suppose at the DNA level though, we may all be pretty close) As I said before, we have all kinds of bacteria, viruses, plants, trees, insects, retiles. mammals, birds, fish, bi-valves, luminous jellyfish, and probably lots we haven't discovered yet. Life that lives in permafrost ice and life that thrives on chemicals instead of sunlight at the bottom of the ocean.
Many scientists agree that at least some life on Earth could be the result of meteors and the like bringing alien life to Earth,so the idea that some civiliazation may have done it on purpose does not seem too far fetched.
(I think Carl Sagan said "We are all made of stardust")

Stardust in the sense that all elements that we consist of other than hydrogen were the result of prior supernovas. It's quite possible that amino acids that spawned life here could have come from comets or asteroids. Some have been found on comets I believe. But even though there's a wide variety of live on earth, evidence shows that it all evolved here. Fossil records show transitions from one species to another, and mitochondrial DNA show a transition as well. There is such a wide variety of life because there is such a wide variety of environments coupled with increasingly advanced life forms that evolve to suit these environments in more and more varied ways.

Originally Posted by Rachel

While fishing on Stellwagon Bank about 150 miles east of Montauk L.I , I saw a silver object in the sky. This object was at an extreme altitude yet left no contrail. It was moving fast as I saw it but then really poured on the throttle and was gone. Now being that far out to the East we were clear of the city smog. I was laying flat on my back on top of my cooler looking up into a clear blue sky. I saw this object for about 5 seconds. This was the first of two things I've seen that cant be explained. More to come...

Was it within the last year or so? If so, it could have been the space station. It is getting large enough to see in the day time if you happen to be looking at exactly at the right spot. It will appear slow towards the horizon and to gain speed as it goes overhead.

[Rachel]

No Tracey, this was 20 years ago. And I was looking at it directly overhead. I see sattelites all the time in my stargazing and it was no sattelite.

[violet lightning]

Here is a strange incident from a few months back. I was outside at around 10:00 pm stargazing. I saw a satellite and followed it till it disappeared on the horizon. I kept looking and then saw a shooting star, then about 5 minutes later I saw another satellite traveling east to west, and began to follow it. After traveling for several seconds across the sky, it passed (presumably) in front of a stationary star(?) and at that exact second, it disappeared in mid flight! (like it "merged" with the star) It was clear, and the stars and satellites were bright and easy to follow. I couldn't really believe what I had just seen, and continued to stay fixed on the star where the satellite disappeared. It never emerged, and the only explanation I could think of, is that the satellite shifted position enough to stop the light reflecting off it,(which I haven't actually seen happen) and it just happened to occur at the exact millisecond that my eyes saw it pass behind or in front of the star. (or maybe it was a mothership?) If it were a jet, it would have had to do an instant 90 degree turn in the space behind the star, and head due north away from me continuing behind the star to appear to me like it had vanished..
Could also be a piece of illuminated space junk hitting another piece, causing it to disintegrate and disappear, but the "star" did seem to be stationary, as I watched it for several minutes, so it likely was not space junk or even necessarily in orbit. If it was a star, how could a satellite appear to vanish at the exact moment that it crossed paths with a tiny dot like a star? And why would a satellite vanish in mid-flight like that? I've tracked dozens and dozens and they have all been pretty steady, usually fading out only as they cross the horizon.
Another possibility is, it was not a satellite or an aircraft, but something else. Same thing with the "star". It looked like a star, but was it?
(this was, by my judgement, at very high altitude, low or high orbit or beyond)
I'm not drawing any conclusions other than its one of the strangest things I've seen.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Probably just a scout ship from the alien moon base picking up a recording from a geosynchrous spy satelite. Nothing to worry about, just don't talk about it too much.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by violet lightning

Here is a strange incident from a few months back. I was outside at around 10:00 pm stargazing. I saw a satellite and followed it till it disappeared on the horizon. I kept looking and then saw a shooting star, then about 5 minutes later I saw another satellite traveling east to west, and began to follow it. After traveling for several seconds across the sky, it passed (presumably) in front of a stationary star(?) and at that exact second, it disappeared in mid flight! (like it "merged" with the star) It was clear, and the stars and satellites were bright and easy to follow. I couldn't really believe what I had just seen, and continued to stay fixed on the star where the satellite disappeared. It never emerged, and the only explanation I could think of, is that the satellite shifted position enough to stop the light reflecting off it,(which I haven't actually seen happen) and it just happened to occur at the exact millisecond that my eyes saw it pass behind or in front of the star. (or maybe it was a mothership?) If it were a jet, it would have had to do an instant 90 degree turn in the space behind the star, and head due north away from me continuing behind the star to appear to me like it had vanished..
Could also be a piece of illuminated space junk hitting another piece, causing it to disintegrate and disappear, but the "star" did seem to be stationary, as I watched it for several minutes, so it likely was not space junk or even necessarily in orbit. If it was a star, how could a satellite appear to vanish at the exact moment that it crossed paths with a tiny dot like a star? And why would a satellite vanish in mid-flight like that? I've tracked dozens and dozens and they have all been pretty steady, usually fading out only as they cross the horizon.
Another possibility is, it was not a satellite or an aircraft, but something else. Same thing with the "star". It looked like a star, but was it?
(this was, by my judgement, at very high altitude, low or high orbit or beyond)
I'm not drawing any conclusions other than its one of the strangest things I've seen.

that's interesting