There's really nothing honourable about dead American soldiers in an unjust war...

[transjen]

Originally Posted by twistedone

Oh, and how was it unjust? Congress, which includes Democrats and Republicans had to vote for it.

I guess you forgot that the congress was lied to by a lieing little weasel named KING GEORGE Jennifer

[horizontal]

brit soldier from both afg and iraq disagrees with this nonsense.

soldiers are prepared to kill and risk the same, but we are there to do our best to bring killing to an end

iraq - right idea, wrong reasons, poor strategy, better outcome, hope for the future...thanks to the very many men and women of a few good armies, no thanks to a very few of them who were disgraced

afg - right idea, average strategy, getting better day by day, hope for the future, thanks to ...etc

it makes it all worthwhile when the elders and traders speak to us in private and beg us to stay, to extend the safe zones, and please dont leave

proud to be a soldier, proud of the youngsters i lead in horrible places in horrible circumstances, proud of the genuine good we have done, sad that young muslim lives are thrown at us by bigotted mad leaders who pontificate in the hills and madrasas

what have you done today to make you feel proud?

[tslust]

Originally Posted by horizontal

brit soldier from both afg and iraq disagrees with this nonsense.

soldiers are prepared to kill and risk the same, but we are there to do our best to bring killing to an end

iraq - right idea, wrong reasons, poor strategy, better outcome, hope for the future...thanks to the very many men and women of a few good armies, no thanks to a very few of them who were disgraced

afg - right idea, average strategy, getting better day by day, hope for the future, thanks to ...etc

it makes it all worthwhile when the elders and traders speak to us in private and beg us to stay, to extend the safe zones, and please dont leave

proud to be a soldier, proud of the youngsters i lead in horrible places in horrible circumstances, proud of the genuine good we have done, sad that young muslim lives are thrown at us by bigotted mad leaders who pontificate in the hills and madrasas

what have you done today to make you feel proud?

General Carl von Clausewitz points out "The War of a community - of whole Nations, and particularly of civilised Nations - always starts from a political condition, and is called forth by a political motive. It is, therefore, a political act." In Iraq, the politicians seemed to agree on reasons for invasion. The military went in and did their job. Hussein's government didn't surrender, it simply disolved. Then the politicians couldn't decide on when "combat operations" should end, also they couldn't agree on what the overall strategic goals should've been. That is why our soldiers are still in Iraq. Not for Bush, not for obama, not even for oil; but because of the scheming and squabbling politicians (from both parties).

[The Conquistador]

They say that the 2 things you should never discuss: Politics and Religion. Hank! You've been a naughty boy. Tsk tsk.

[TracyCoxx]

Hank, quit living in the past. Clinging on to Bush Derangement Syndrome for the rest of your life is just going to make you a sad bitter old man with a one track mind. It's already starting to go out of style as Bush's policies get replaced by new policies whose success or failure will be on their own merits. Quit feeling guilty for the misconceptions the people have where you are. You're not even an American. And I doubt any of Bush's cronies have bashed your door down to see if you up to something for Al Qaeda. If the people there think you're a Bush lover because you are white (at least I think you are?) or because your a bible thumper, that's not Bush's fault. I find it very odd that these matters weigh so heavily in your world. If so, Indonesia needs to get a life.

If you're concerned about a war monger, go gripe at North Korea. They're the ones with a bug up their ass right now.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Hank, quit living in the past. Clinging on to Bush Derangement Syndrome for the rest of your life is just going to make you a sad bitter old man with a one track mind. It's already starting to go out of style as Bush's policies get replaced by new policies whose success or failure will be on their own merits. Quit feeling guilty for the misconceptions the people have where you are. You're not even an American. And I doubt any of Bush's cronies have bashed your door down to see if you up to something for Al Qaeda. If the people there think you're a Bush lover because you are white (at least I think you are?) or because your a bible thumper, that's not Bush's fault. I find it very odd that these matters weigh so heavily in your world. If so, Indonesia needs to get a life.

If you're concerned about a war monger, go gripe at North Korea. They're the ones with a bug up their ass right now.

Ok... I'll try to shut up... and return to the mere discussions of transsexuality... that's more dear to me anyway... nobody bashed my doors in (well, some muslims did once, then I brought home a girl, but that's another story I shall not bother you with...). But where I live the radical muslims will come after me long b4 the now gone Geo and his paranoics... :-)

Peace!

H

[transjen]

If you forget about the past you are doomed to repeat it, I will never just stand back and say oh well what's done is done, The lieing little weasle Bush has never in his entire life has been held accountable for anything from drunk driving drug useage going AWOL bankrupting every bussiness he ran cheating the IRS on stock profits, All this before he stole an election his eight years in the White house should be investagated as the stuff he did in secert makes Richard Nixon look like a chour boy Jennifer