Terror in my country :(

[prague]

Oh, the paradoxical quesiton of "terrorist" and "terrorism". How does one define a terrorist? When should a act of violence be considered terrorism? Hmm, the question aren't easily answered; however, just remember: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

[itbewayne]

Terrorism, in the modern sense, is violence, the threat of violence, or other harmful acts committed for political or ideological goals.

Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).

"There is the famous statement: 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.' But that is grossly misleading. It assesses the validity of the cause when terrorism is an act. One can have a perfectly beautiful cause and yet if one commits terrorist acts, it is terrorism regardless

[2WayStreet]

Make LOVE not WAR

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by 2WayStreet

Make LOVE not WAR

exactly...........

Originally Posted by itbewayne

There is the famous statement: 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.' But that is grossly misleading. It assesses the validity of the cause when terrorism is an act. One can have a perfectly beautiful cause and yet if one commits terrorist acts, it is terrorism regardless

True, true.
The Kurdistan Workers want a free Kurdistan...well, fuck them. If they keep causing trouble, Turkey might very well be provoked into a full invasion of Iraqi Kurdistan. I'm talking massive regional destabilization. Iraqi Kurdistan is the most secure area of Iraq, and the last thing it needs is total war between the PKK and the Turkish Armed Forces.

What is Kurdistan ? What is that, my friend ? Is there a place called Kurdistan in the world ?

Someone's terrorist is someone's freedom fighter, it is true.
But if u want something that is not belong to u, the other side will prevent this. And if you don't understand that is not belong to u again, the other side have rights everything to protect its belongings.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by Tux

For me, pkk are not terrorists, they are fighting a fight, wich for them are a freedom-fight.. That is bad in it self, because people eventually die horribly..
For them it is fighting for the survival of their culture and so on... etc. etc..

Terror is not a tool for sane people. Its a weapon cherished by bottom feeding shitheads and Cowards.

If a man of honour is annoyed by someone, he should strike that particular someone. But a coward who really sucks at fighting and actually shits his pants to face the enemy upfront, will kill any innocent unarmed child, totally unrelated to the target. And perhaps flaunt and prance around bragging about his sickening deed!

Terrorists are specks of mud on the face of the earth. They have no purpose, no honour, no heart. They are just greedy, thoughtless machines of destruction, toys in the hands of corrupted politicians.

May God rid the beautiful planet from them, for good. Amen.

[sesame]

I believe in the idea of forgiveness. Hatred breeds more Hatred! Its absolutely true. So Christ has said, "Love your enemy, forgive your tormentor." Buddha and Jaina Tirthankaras have preached Ahimsa.

But when you come to think of it, can you really forgive the heartless brutes? Love or compassion is the tendermost treasure of the heart. Why should I offer it to someone who has no heart at all, who have become a killing machine? "You gotta kill to live." What kind of a philosophy is that? Kill whom, kill anyone? They havent got the balls to lay a finger on the Govt., the ministers, the army... so they kill the poor, the helpless, the unarmed, the innocent and the unsuspecting civilians. The terrorists are becoming more cowardly by the hour! In the past, they used guns. Now they are using car-bombs and toy-bombs.

Tagore was perhaps thinking of these fiends, when he wrote:

Prashna (The question)

God, you have sent messengers life after life,
To this callous earth;
They have said 'Forgive all sins' they have told us 'Love-from your heart all malice remove'
They are venerable men, worthy of reverence, but we
In these dark days reject them with ritual futility.
I see secret violence under cover of darkness
Slaughtering the helpless,
I see the just weeping in solitary silence,
No power to protest, their only offence,
I see tender youths hitting out blindly
Cracking their heads against stones in their agony
Today my voice is choked, my flute is without note,
The prison of the no-moon night
Has extinguished my world, given me nightmares;
And this is why I ask, through my tears - Those who poison your air and blot out the sun;
Do you truly fogive them, do you truly love them?




Also, please dont compare Freedom-fighters, martyrs with lowly terrorists! Freedom fighters like Braveheart (Irish) faught with honour and valour against the English Govt., against the Army, against warlords who were raping Ireland. He never took the lives of innocent civilians. Those were Great men.

The terrorists only aim to strike terror in the heart of the Govt. by torturing unarmed, simpleton civilians. What is the honour in that? They are dishonourable cowards, who are like toys in the pockets of corrupted Politicians. The terrorists put up a mock pretence of enmity against the Politicians who patronize them. Hah! Valour, my foot!

[sesame]

Braveheart was declared the official Guardian of Scotland!
He was a true Hero.


AND


Below is a Blind, Pudding-head, peabrain generalisation:
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Its like saying, "Anything that has four legs is a cow!"

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by prague

Oh, the paradoxical quesiton of "terrorist" and "terrorism". How does one define a terrorist? When should a act of violence be considered terrorism? Hmm, the question aren't easily answered; however, just remember: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

Hi there.

A terrorist is a terrorist, the expression "freedom fighter" was created by them for them to justify their COLD BLOODED MURDERS, and if they cared about their people, they would take their fight to the streets protesting, doing petitions, using every diplomatic tool in the book, but not MURDER, saying you are a "freedom fighter" doesn't make it so, any more than if i say i am the king of the world, diplomacy takes years to come through with positive results, while over the last 2000 years terrorism hasn't accomplished a damned thing other than MURDERING and MAIMING inocent people both neutral, friend and foe, VIOLENCE is never a good solution to any problem, all it achieves it to cause more violence and hate.

AND to me terrorist are the lowest most disgusting sub human beeings in the universe, if anybody would deserve to be exterminated it would be them.

Also, when they MURDER all those people they get people to side with their enemys, so terrorism is self-defeatist, the more you "PLAY" the more you lose, you lose your freinds, your family, the people you MURDER, your cause and most importantly you lose yourself to the hate and violence.

GOOD JOB, RETARDS!

There are always alternatives to violence, aspecially terrorist type violence, if you protest and your people get killed, you get public sympathy for your movement instead of losing that person to a suicide bombing and LOSING public sympathy.

There are a lot of ways to get your point across today, terrorism isn't one of them, there are news agencies, like newspapers, tv news, the internet, word of mouth, marches, petissions, business strikes; refusal to work etc. one person can be repremended, 10 also but 100, or 1000, harder to do.

If you are under an oppressive, dictatorship, the only violent action that i and many would find acceptable would be to kill the dictator and his top aides and no more, you "take care" of the problem, and you don't MURDER the inocent victims of his reign of violence along a few of his men that are usually in it to save themselves and to make a living.

JohnDowe.

[ila]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

A terrorist is a terrorist,......

That was pretty blunt and to the point, John. You have some very good points.

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by ila

That was pretty blunt and to the point, John. You have some very good points.

Hi there.

Sometimes blunt is the only way to get your point across on topics like this one, and sometimes it's not enough you'd have to slap them around to make them understand. (what pain the terrorost inflict, not only physical but more isnidiously, psychological)


JohnDowe.