"Real Girls"

[ladyboy1234]

any sexy ladyboys care to give the email add?..hehe..thx

[orion]

This is a fascinating thread and one which I'm sure will run & run ..

I agree Bionca, that labels are a pain ... I,for example, dislike the term "Admirer" .. to me that conjures up a vision of a sad little man in a dirty raincoat, lurking furtively on the edges of the Transgendered scene ... It most certainly doesn't describe me .. I prefer to describe myself (if I have to wear a label at all) as a "Suitor" .. as that best describes who and what I am ...

I suppose we could call those born genetically Female either "RG's" .. "GG's" or "NG's" (Natal Girls) ... but again, we're back to putting people into boxes ..

No matter how hard the Politically Correct lobby tries to counter it .. the world has been "pigeon-holing" people since time began .. and it won't change ..

Some terms of reference are, without doubt more offensive than others .. personally, I don't much like the word "Tranny" .. yet I hear it often being used amongst many of the Transgendered women I know .. so what do you do ? .. I've even heard the expression "Trannier than Thou" being bandied around in conversation & used as a put-down for a Transgendered woman who believes herself a cut above others ..

I'm sad to learn of the difficulties experienced by some writers concerning their dealings with Police .. here in UK we have the Gender Recognition Act .. and no Police Officer would risk his/her job by overstepping the mark .. in fact, I personally know two serving UK Police officers .. both of whom are MtF Transsexuals ..

My former partner (with whom I was in a two year relationship) and who, at that time was still Pre-op, was stopped late one night in Central London by Police .. because on her way home from the Hospital where she worked she'd pulled over to answer her mobile phone, right outside a sensitive Government building .. the Police checked her vehicle documents, which were still in her "Birth" name .. verified that she was who she said she was & was in lawful possession of the vehicle .. and throughout the encounter addressed her as "Miss Robin" ...

To say that "All Cops are assholes" is painting with a very broad brush indeed .. and is as untrue as saying .. "All TG people are the same" .. or "All Blacks are drug dealers" ... Think about it logically ..

Bye for now,

Orion ..

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by orion

...I, for example, dislike the term "Admirer" .. to me that conjures up a vision of a sad little man in a dirty raincoat, lurking furtively on the edges of the Transgendered scene ...

Amazing comment! Transsexual women often go through hell to achieve the status that I was lucky enough to be awarded through birth. The painful process they have to go through often leads to rejection by friends and family.

Now why on earth should only 'a sad little man in a dirty raincoat' admire such determination?

[smc]

Consider metaphysics, the study or theory of reality explored by Plato and Aristotle. Metaphysics is often used to describe, more narrowly, something called transcendent reality -- namely, the reality that lies beyond the physical world and is not, therefore, grasped by conventional means. In other words, metaphysics seeks to determine the nature of being and, as a philosophical exploration, is aimed at helping us discover the "true nature" of things. That, in turn, leads to an understanding of the ultimate reason for something's existence.

Plato, the great Greek philosopher, considered metaphysics. He believed in a transient reality. In essence, Plato saw two different levels of reality, and held that metaphysics is dualistic. To Plato, there were two different kind of things: physical and mental. There is what appears real and what is real. He saw two worlds: the being and the becoming.

Plato's answer to the basic metaphysical question of what reality is was that, fundamentally, reality is the form of things that are real, and not physical matter.

And what is the form? Plato originated this idea of Forms. He saw them as descriptions of essence. The Greek word also means epitome. So, two or more stones can both be said to be round if they participate in the Form roundness, and Plato held that the Form roundness exists separately from round things.

All this is to say that Bionca, or anyone else, is a girl -- and no less real a girl -- because she participates in the Form girlness. Not convinced? Read her posts, and those of the other thoughtful transgendered participants in the discussions here and in other threads. That is all the proof one needs.

[orion]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

Now why on earth should only 'a sad little man in a dirty raincoat' admire such determination?

Hi GGadmirer ...

To answer your question .. it's not so much that only "sad little men in dirty rain coats" admire Transwomen .. Admiration & respect are open to everyone, if they so choose ..

The fact is that there are a large group of men who continue to perceive Transwomen as something "risky", "dangerous", "fun", "different" .. in other words a secret little fetish which they'd rather their families, work colleagues or friends didn't know they liked ..

They indulge their "little secret" on the quiet .. and then scuttle off home to the wife .. as if nothing had ever happened ..

These are the people who lack the moral conviction to admit (sometimes even to themselves) that they find Transwomen attractive .. so, they "lurk" on the fringes .. thus giving those of us who are perfectly open about what we like & don't like a bad name ..

A bad name that is, amongst Transwomen .. from my own personal experience, I've been told by T-Girls whom I've dated that once they'd got past the initial "Admirer" thing .. I was totally different from what they'd been expecting ..

As has been said in previous posts .. labels (of all kinds) can be pernicious, whether applied to Transwomen .. or to those of us who prefer their company & treat them as women and with the respect to which they're entitled, as people ..

Hence my dislike for the term "Admirer" .. I wish there were some practical way of separating the two ...

I happen to be one of the fortunate ones in that I'm in a loving, caring, stable relationship with my girlfriend, Jenny .. a vivacious, down-to-earth, very attractive Transwoman .. whom I happen to love very much and whose company I'm proud to be in ...

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by orion

Hence my dislike for the term "Admirer" .. I wish there were some practical way of separating the two ...

Mizzy B and I tried here at this forum to find other terms... unsuccesfully...

1. "Admirer" is a little bit too much like a kinky, ugly grease ball in the proverbial rain coat...

2. "Tranny-Chaser" sounds like a drink... "Can I have two Buds and a Tranny-Chaser on the side... make it a double, will ya. Be generous on the spunk...?"

3. "Tranny-lover" is also cheasy... a guy secretly jerking off to his fascination...

4. "Tranny-chaser"... he goes to Bangkok twice a year and keeps it hidden... but he makes little dots in his bed every time he beds a little tranny down...

My sweet Fey once called me a "shemale-collector" and a "shemale-protector", but I doubt that applies either...

So what is the term for us hideous, abnormal perverts?

I dunno - "a guy like me who likes a girl like her..." ? That's still the best, though, a highly user-unfriendly and impractical term...

H

[smc]

Hank writes,

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I dunno - "a guy like me who likes a girl like her..." ? That's still the best, though, a highly user-unfriendly and impractical term...H

This is hardly "user-unfriendly and impractical". Rather, it is almost perfect in that it avoids creating a label, and labels are -- as we can read throughout this forum -- the source of so much angst and asinine thought.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by smc

Hank writes,



This is hardly "user-unfriendly and impractical". Rather, it is almost perfect in that it avoids creating a label, and labels are -- as we can read throughout this forum -- the source of so much angst and asinine thought.

It's still impractical...

Question: "Hey Hank, are you gay or str8?"

Answer: "I'm a tranny-lover"

versus

Question: "Hey Hank, are you gay or str8?"

Answer: "I'm a guy like me who likes a girl like her..."

Question: "What is that?"

Answer: "My girlfriend is transsexual"

Question: "Oh, why didn't you say so to my first question...?"

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by smc

Hank writes,



This is hardly "user-unfriendly and impractical". Rather, it is almost perfect in that it avoids creating a label, and labels are -- as we can read throughout this forum -- the source of so much angst and asinine thought.

But I do agree totally with your point. I think that we're all more comfortable with labels, however, the fact that it is even almost impossible to find a describing label for "a guy like me who likes a girl like her" is thought-provoking... maybe we simply don't exist??? There are terms for so many things - but not for a tranny-lover...

You can be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, transsexual... but where does that leave me?

The entire problem is, that the term "sexual" is misplaced. A homosexual is someone who is sexually attracted to her or his own sex... a transsexual is someone who identifies as her or his opposite gender. Nothing to do with sexual orientation here.

And it all comes down to the fact that transgenderism is minority and no need to take us seriously. We're just so much freaks that the hetero-laymen (or homo-laymen, for that matter) cannot even label us correctly...

:-)