Would a TS escorting rule out romance?

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual. You're being just as insulting, as if morality is old news, and I suppose a good work ethic has gone away with that as well. You took the easy way out and you're surprised when someone disagrees with it. Not all of us are going to be pinned down like that, as much you think we should "work with what we got" as it's said, because sex and fantasy fulfillment are not the only things we're capable of. Don't you see? Any man with a 9-5 may be handing you their paychecks, but at the end of the day you're just the prostitute he went to on the side, more than likely not wanting anyone to know about you. Empowering to know you're reduced to a bottom shelf paper bag? You are a bottom feeder, you had a legitimate career but you were too lazy to hold anymore ambition.

Oh, and I don't even go to church.

I am first and foremost an artist & writer. My vocation, and I guess I need to repeat that word seeing as you don't understand (my job, how I pay the bills, my money-making apparatus), is not my career.

I'm playing into nobody's hands. Yea, I am the chick with a dick Mr. Businessman comes to see secretly. And yea, that's how I make my money and here's the point Mr. thick-as-a-brick-can't-see-my-third grade level-point: it doesn't matter how you make money. It doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, highbrow or lowly, it only matters that you make it.

It's what you do after you make the money that matters. For me, painting, writing, selling my art, running, cooking, being in love...these are the things I fill my days with. This is what matters to me. But you don't know that because you never took the time to read my story or visit my website. You thought you could trash me on a discussion board because I had the gumption to announce my vocation as escort. And show not only my face, but my name, my hometown and my personality. There's nothing anonymous about me. Unlike you. Do you know how worthless your words appear coming from a blank facelss profile?

I play into nobody's hands, they play into mine. I know thats hard for you to accept because it blows a gasket in your life-comprehending device and then you would have to admit your views of society are mis-aligned. This is anything but the easy way out. What's the "hard way"? You have yet to cite one intrinsically valuable thing about doing the 9 to 5. There is nothing more dignified about sucking up to a boss and being a wage slave than spreading your legs for a half hour with a stranger.

Morality as history shows us, is constantly redefined but you can't see that because you get your values from an old issue of Reader's Digest. You should go to church, you fit right in with those zombies.

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

I'm playing into nobody's hands.

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

I play into nobody's hands, they play into mine.

How many times have you repeated that to yourself before you started to believe it? What feelings did you have to kill before you became comfortable making a living sucking off strangers?

Originally Posted by ila

The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.

The problem is, ila, that ts escorts DO reflect upon the rest of us. We're already a marginalized and misunderstood minority, and if this forum is any indication, seen largely as a sexual fetish. Prostitution is a plague in our community, because all too often young tgirls just starting out have no one to look to for advice besides these women, like Melissa, who take it upon themselves to paint a glamorized portrayal of escorting without even taking into account all the risks involved. Sure, it pays the bills, but at what price?

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

How many times have you repeated that to yourself before you started to believe it? What feelings did you have to kill before you became comfortable making a living sucking off strangers?


The problem is, ila, that ts escorts DO reflect upon the rest of us. We're already a marginalized and misunderstood minority, and if this forum is any indication, seen largely as a sexual fetish. Prostitution is a plague in our community, because all too often young tgirls just starting out have no one to look to for advice besides these women, like Melissa, who take it upon themselves to paint a glamorized portrayal of escorting without even taking into account all the risks involved. Sure, it pays the bills, but at what price?

Oh ok so your also a psychologist, lol. I cannot believe, and I don't think I'm alone here, that you could view prostitution as a plague. You ought to be living in the crusades or the Salem witch trials, you are compassionless besides being faceless.

And what is your hang up with this role-model nonsense, why would I give a rat's ass about young tgirls and advice I should be giving them? LOL now you are showing how out of touch you really are. Do you think anyone gave me advice? Do you think there is even a template for this journey??

You are in the wrong league, Mister, you're showing up at a gun fight with a knife. You've shown these readers nothing but an empty opinion to go along with your empty profile. At least I explained my position and illustrated my opinions with real-life ideas. You saw this thread as an opportunity to call me a whore but I stood up and refused to be abused. You espouse your archaic ideaology like "prostitution is a plague", lol what a sack of shit. You back it up with nothing.

I own your ass on this thread. Game over Melissa 1, this anonymous-piece-of-shit-called-smothering-whatever ZERO.

[smolderingtemptress]

Why would anyone want to see girls turn into prostitutes? Honestly.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

And what is your hang up with this role-model nonsense, why would I give a rat's ass about young tgirls and advice I should be giving them? LOL now you are showing how out of touch you really are. Do you think anyone gave me advice? Do you think there is even a template for this journey??

You are in the wrong league, Mister, you're showing up at a gun fight with a knife. You've shown these readers nothing but an empty opinion to go along with your empty profile. At least I explained my position and illustrated my opinions with real-life ideas. You saw this thread as an opportunity to call me a whore but I stood up and refused to be abused. You espouse your archaic ideaology like "prostitution is a plague", lol what a sack of shit. You back it up with nothing.

I own your ass on this thread. Game over Melissa 1, this anonymous-piece-of-shit-called-smothering-whatever ZERO.

Wait a minute -- now I'm confused. It was one thing to be debating the notion of escort work and could you (or couldn't you) have a relationship with a so-called "working professional girl." That's one thing. But, Melissa, why wouldn't you give a rat's ass about other people? Certainly about any fellow T-girls or as Bionca called them in a previous post "all your fellow sisters"?

You seem a bit angry in so forcefully declaring "Why would I give a rat's ass about young T-girls and advice I should be giving them? Do you think anyone gave me advice?" Well, perhaps that's true. Perhaps no one did give you any advice. Perhaps you had to make this journey on your own and you had many obstacles to overcome. But having done it and having reached this point in life -- where you say you're happy with who you are, and that you enjoy the money you're making as an escort or doing your art and all that -- it seems to me that now you're being a bit harsh.

Sorry, but here's my two cents worth.
In the end, the world breaks down into two types of people...

TYPE 1: Those who had a rough time in life, trying to climb certain ladders or open certain doors, and who were left a bit angry about the way the world treated them -- and thus they feel the next person coming up the ladder or trying to open a door, trying to make it in the world, should have to go through the same bullshit and pain. In short: "Hey, if I had to put up with the bullshit, so do you!!!"

VERSUS

TYPE 2: Those who had a rough time in life or met certain obstacles, and who now want TO HELP the next person in line. Who want to TURN their life experiences into a learning tool to help and spare the next person all of that same pain. In short: a person who wants to use their life to make things better and easier for the next person in line.

Melissa, in your own words, you may feel that you "own this thread" because you believe in your escort career choice, but I hardly think you own this thread on a more human level IF you really don't give a rat's ass about any other T-girls and the plights they are facing. IF you don't care about them facing persecution or societal rejection or even for their feelings as they possibly find their hearts broken on a daily basis. I HOPE that's not how you really feel, and that you just misspoke above in a moment of haste.

After all, isn't the truest measure of us as human beings...of our true worth...being how we help each other? That we DO give a "rat's ass" about each other?

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

But, Melissa, why wouldn't you give a rat's ass about other people? Certainly about any fellow T-girls or as Bionca called them in a previous post "all your fellow sisters"?

bla bla bla

Sorry, but here's my two cents worth.
In the end, the world breaks down into two types of people...

TYPE 1: Those who had a rough time in life, trying to climb certain ladders or open certain doors, and who were left a bit angry about the way the world treated them -- and thus they feel the next person coming up the ladder or trying to open a door, trying to make it in the world, should have to go through the same bullshit and pain. In short: "Hey, if I had to put up with the bullshit, so do you!!!"

VERSUS

TYPE 2: Those who had a rough time in life or met certain obstacles, and who now want TO HELP the next person in line. Who want to TURN their life experiences into a learning tool to help and spare the next person all of that same pain. In short: a person who wants to use their life to make things better and easier for the next person in line.

bla bla bla

After all, isn't the truest measure of us as human beings...of our true worth...being how we help each other? That we DO give a "rat's ass" about each other?

William Blake summed it up much better and succintly:


Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

As for this horseshit of being a spokesperson or a cheerleader or some kind of role model for the trans community, here is my reply:

FUCK YOU.

I don't need to be any of those things. I can just be me and if they want to learn from me they should watch me. Do you think artists care about the younger art generation coming of age? Do you think Jackson Pollock or Mark Rothko gave a shit about their younger cohorts looking for guidance? Fuck no! They painted, they drank, they lived their lives. And they have left some of the most beautfiul modern artworks ever made. And therein lies the lesson for the young artist.

The greatest thing I can do for any younger tranny, and let me reiterate I could care less about them, is simply live my life.

[Talvenada]

MEL:

You're a handful and a mouthful, and no stranger to pleasure.

Piece,

TAL

Originally Posted by Talvenada

MEL:

You're a handful and a mouthful, and no stranger to pleasure.

Piece,

TAL

FUCKIN A-RIGHT!

Just another wild pony on the loose.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

William Blake summed it up much better and succintly:

Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

As for this horseshit of being a spokesperson or a cheerleader or some kind of role model for the trans community, here is my reply:

FUCK YOU.

I don't need to be any of those things. I can just be me and if they want to learn from me they should watch me. Do you think artists care about the younger art generation coming of age? Do you think Jackson Pollock or Mark Rothko gave a shit about their younger cohorts looking for guidance? Fuck no! They painted, they drank, they lived their lives. And they have left some of the most beautfiul modern artworks ever made. And therein lies the lesson for the young artist.

The greatest thing I can do for any younger tranny, and let me reiterate I could care less about them, is simply live my life.

Wow, such GREAT examples in life that you picked there, Melissa.

Let's see, the first was a self-destructive, raging drunk who ultimately alienated and drove away his closest friends and pissed off the critics with his rampant ego, after which he became an isolated soul and spiraled downward into becoming such a piss-poor alcoholic that he ultimately killed himself by driving drunk into a tree...Meanwhile, the other was a self-absorbed, socially withdrawn person who suffered from such low self-esteem that he killed himself by overdosing on anti-depressants AND slicing both of his arms with a razor for good measure.

Gee, you're right, Melissa. They really knew how to "live their lives" and their example makes for SUCH a great "lesson for the young artist." Yep! Those are role models about "how to live your life" that I'd be citing!

Of course, if your attitude about turning to those less fortunate or helping those who are coming up the ladder behind you...who could simply use some kind, consoling help on a basic human level...is a big "Fuck You", then I think you're telling us more about yourself than any finger pointing you're desperately, pathetically and hilariously trying to put our way.

In fact, going back to how this whole thread started and your original question, my initial answer still stands. I think most guys would want their newfound love to leave the escort business behind simply so their romance could be on more stable grounds. On the other hand, given your attitudes expressed here...and your choices in role models about "how to lead your life"...you now bring up a whole new slant to things. Namely, if someone worked as an escort, but was totally self-centered -- in short, they were caught up in such an ego-driven power trip that they were only concerned with them self, about making money anyway or anyhow (legal or illegal), and they were willing to snub or even fuck over anyone who got in their way -- then why WOULD you want to be in a relationship with such a person? It wouldn't matter if they were an escort or not. Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with someone so self-absorbed and ultimately self-destructive?

But hey, that's just my opinion on what makes for a warm and loving relationship that will stand the test of time. Those are my personal and moral viewpoints. Although, I loved that earlier...in reference to those...that you referred to me as St. Francis of Azzizi. Gee, for someone who claims to be such the brilliant former executive -- who chose to leave her success in the corporate world behind to lay on a bed for 500 bucks a fuck instead -- and for someone who claims to be such the intellectual, right down to quoting William Blake, I'd love for you to point out AZZIZI on the map for me. I was just wondering if it might be some place close to ASSISI...

I seriously don't have the time or energy to read through all that but I did notice at the end you corrected me on my spelling, lol.

You insist I as a "seasoned" TS should mentor future TS wannabees. You apparently can't see it but I gave truly excellent advice. They should all read this thread and they'll be better for it.

As an aside, I think it's funny that you, and a few others, expect me to be an example. In my own way I am. I ran 5 miles this morning, took two dates, paid my credit card bills, and am cooking rice now waiting for my bf to come over. I am a success, just like Rothko and Pollock, except I'm clean and sober.

Creative, check my spelling please, thank you.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Wow, such GREAT examples in life that you picked there, Melissa.

Let's see, the first was a self-destructive, raging drunk who ultimately alienated and drove away his closest friends and pissed off the critics with his rampant ego, after which he became an isolated soul and spiraled downward into becoming such a piss-poor alcoholic that he ultimately killed himself by driving drunk into a tree...Meanwhile, the other was a self-absorbed, socially withdrawn person who suffered from such low self-esteem that he killed himself by overdosing on anti-depressants AND slicing both of his arms with a razor for good measure.

Gee, you're right, Melissa. They really knew how to "live their lives" and their example makes for SUCH a great "lesson for the young artist." Yep! Those are role models about "how to live your life" that I'd be citing!

Of course, if your attitude about turning to those less fortunate or helping those who are coming up the ladder behind you...who could simply use some kind, consoling help on a basic human level...is a big "Fuck You", then I think you're telling us more about yourself than any finger pointing you're desperately, pathetically and hilariously trying to put our way.

In fact, going back to how this whole thread started and your original question, my initial answer still stands. I think most guys would want their newfound love to leave the escort business behind simply so their romance could be on more stable grounds. On the other hand, given your attitudes expressed here...and your choices in role models about "how to lead your life"...you now bring up a whole new slant to things. Namely, if someone worked as an escort, but was totally self-centered -- in short, they were caught up in such an ego-driven power trip that they were only concerned with them self, about making money anyway or anyhow (legal or illegal), and they were willing to snub or even fuck over anyone who got in their way -- then why WOULD you want to be in a relationship with such a person? It wouldn't matter if they were an escort or not. Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with someone so self-absorbed and ultimately self-destructive?

But hey, that's just my opinion on what makes for a warm and loving relationship that will stand the test of time. Those are my personal and moral viewpoints. Although, I loved that earlier...in reference to those...that you referred to me as St. Francis of Azzizi. Gee, for someone who claims to be such the brilliant former executive -- who chose to leave her success in the corporate world behind to lay on a bed for 500 bucks a fuck instead -- and for someone who claims to be such the intellectual, right down to quoting William Blake, I'd love for you to point out AZZIZI on the map for me. I was just wondering if it might be some place close to ASSISI...

And just so you know, Azzizi is the old world spelling for Assisi. Look at old art books and portraits of St. Francis are spelled Azzizi.

Now back to your search for moral conviction on a porn discussion board, I'm listening...

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

Yea, I am the chick with a dick Mr. Businessman comes to see secretly. And yea, that's how I make my money and here's the point Mr. thick-as-a-brick-can't-see-my-third grade level-point: it doesn't matter how you make money. It doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, highbrow or lowly, it only matters that you make it.

It's what you do after you make the money that matters.

Well, while I wish you well in life on a humanistic level and you have the right to make your own choices, Melissa, I wouldn't go THAT far. Personally, I think it does matter if money is earned "legal or illegal." And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be allowed to hide behind the all-encompassing blanket excuse of "It only matters that you make it. It's what you do after you make the money that matters." I mean, that's certainly an incredibly slippery slope of conditional morality -- perpetually convenient only to the person and not showing any responsibility to anyone else or to society as a whole.

For example, I'll use an example that I used before: what about a guy who peddles drugs to young kids at a local school yard? Apply your own equation to that. That guy is making his money by doing something illegal. And in terms of the cash he's pocketing, he's living by your other rule that it only matters that you make it. So completely following through with what you said -- "It's what you do after you make the money that matters" -- are you actually telling us that if he now uses that money to take his elderly mom out for dinner on Mother's Day that THAT made peddling drugs to little kids okay? That because he did something nice for his mom after the drug sale, THAT justified his actions?

Now, on the other hand, maybe what you were simply trying to say is that there are some things that you believe SHOULDN'T be illegal -- such as escorting. Maybe it's your personal belief that more communities should legalize sex work, that it shouldn't be an illegal trade. That would be a different argument and one I could accept more willingly or intellectually than a blanket statement that it doesn't matter AT ALL how someone makes their money, just that they make it. In other words, that the ends ALWAYS justify the means. I think most people would find that viewpoint to be rather extreme or going a bit too far.

Morality, as history shows us, is constantly redefined but you can't see that because you get your values from an old issue of Reader's Digest. You should go to church, you fit right in with those zombies.

Well, that's a whole other argument. History has shown us that people might be more forgiving of things, but overall it's far more interesting to note that historically morality hasn't changed much at all. I mean, personality traits such as being lazy or lecherous or a drunk were looked down on in ages past, and they still are now. And certainly more serious things such as thievery and murder were not tolerated then, nor are they now.

So, I would argue that morality hasn't changed, but rather how we deal with any perceived transgressors. In times of old, you might have stoned to death or hung a murderer versus today that person might still be put to death (depending on how heinous the crime was), only today you might also have anti-capital punishment people arguing to simply lock the person away for the rest of their lives.

As for people who believe in God or hold certain higher beliefs, I wouldn't necessarily label them "zombies." Much like you've made certain choices in life and would like people to respect you for them...or at least allow you to practice them...why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? Or be allowed to believe in certain things without your open mocking? Otherwise you're now showing how intolerant you can be as well, at which point the wheel just spins around and intolerance continues to be the norm. And then no one is served since the cycle just keeps going on and on...

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Personally, I think it does matter if money is earned "legal or illegal." And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be allowed to hide behind the all-encompassing blanket excuse of "It only matters that you make it. It's what you do after you make the money that matters." I mean, that's certainly an incredibly slippery slope of conditional morality -- perpetually convenient only to the person and not showing any responsibility to anyone else or to society as a whole.

Isn't it funny how people rise to their highest moral levels on these discussion boards? These are the same people who cut you off in traffic, find your wallet and keep your money, talk behind a co-worker's back for their own personal gain, take a vow to be faithful then cheat routinely, see a homeless person approach for money and ignore them....and yet suddenly here I am face to face, on a porn discussion board of all places, with St Francis of Azzizi.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

For example, I'll use an example that I used before: what about a guy who peddles drugs to young kids at a local school yard? Apply your own equation to that. That guy is making his money by doing something illegal. And in terms of the cash he's pocketing, he's living by your other rule that it only matters that you make it. So completely following through with what you said -- "It's what you do after you make the money that matters" -- are you actually telling us that if he now uses that money to take his elderly mom out for dinner on Mother's Day that THAT made peddling drugs to little kids okay? That because he did something nice for his mom after the drug sale, THAT justified his actions?

A truly retarded example. Nowhere do I advocate the abuse of children or violence against another human. So if you have to be technical about it, allow me to qualify my statement and say, "as long as your business does not involve the abuse of/or violence towards others." Jeez, spare us the bullshit.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Now, on the other hand, maybe what you were simply trying to say is that there are some things that you believe SHOULDN'T be illegal -- such as escorting. Maybe it's your personal belief that more communities should legalize sex work, that it shouldn't be an illegal trade.

No, thats not what I was saying. I can speak clearly and form sentences on my own, thank you. No, it is better that escorting is illegal. There's more money and less competition. And I'll put my fine ass up against any of the competition. I'm the number one rated girl in New Jersey and some say the East Coast.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Much like you've made certain choices in life and would like people to respect you for them...or at least allow you to practice them...why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? Or be allowed to believe in certain things without your open mocking? Otherwise you're now showing how intolerant you can be as well, at which point the wheel just spins around and intolerance continues to be the norm. And then no one is served since the cycle just keeps going on and on...

I don't need to show tolerance to this twit. I asked a question to the group and was personally attacked by this individual. I only need to defend myself, which I do quite well. I buried that con artist, he's shown the readers nothing of substance. He called me a plague. A plague. Re-read his words. Now how's that for mocking? Address that intolerance and stop being dorky and misdirecting your arguments. Target the target not the victim.


CreativeMind, so far the only creative thing I see from you is a complete misdirection of your criticisms.