Barack Obama

[hankhavelock]

Tracy honey, I'll get back to your comments in a week or so... in general we have such deep differences on what is the right system for humans to live under, but I'll keep trying... :-)

What is swell here is that in spite of the intense republican campaign that has tried to make us believe that Barack Obama is a socialist, a muslim and an anti-American then the American people still seem to favour Barack Obama. In spite of all the sinister spins and hideous stuff, a majority of Americans still seem to withstand the pressure of the ultra right.

For that I salute you all. And I'll be the first to truly salute you once you have the guts to elect the first black man for President of the United States of America.

You are SO close to re-establish the American "brand".

This is the most important election in my life time... probably in yours too!

Peace, yawll! Go DO it! Make us all proud of you Americans! Make us all once again believe in the sanity of the United States of America!

GObama!

H

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Tracy honey, I'll get back to your comments in a week or so...

Hankypoo. Since you are unwilling or unable to answer how America makes your life such a living hell over there in Indonesia, I'll just have to assume you're one of those America haters. So there's no point in educating you on the merits of a capitalist system. It's one of those you get it or you don't things. I don't see how it affects life in Indonesia. I can't imagine the general population there waking up, planning on doing something and saying "Blast! I can't! Because of those DAMN AMERICANS!!!". At least up until now, the majority of Americans got it. I have no illusions that McCain will win this election, so next week have a ball yucking it up.

Don't worry about me, I will be fine. I'm more than halfway through paying off my house with a low interest rate, so I won't be one of the one's paying off a 20+% home loan that will be waiting for us by the end of Obama's term. I live close enough to work that I can ride my bike if I have to, so I don't need to wait in the gas lines that will be coming. Obama wants to expand the government and I work for the government so I shouldn't be one of the ones in the double digit unemployment rate we'll have. And if I do loose my job, I can just mooch off of the paychecks of other people who work hard in the work force. Obama's policies are obviously doomed to failure just as making loans to poor minorities was obviously doomed to failure. Apparently a large portion of Americans need to learn this the hard way, and in 4 more years, hopefully they'll see the light and get back on track - as they had after making the mistake of electing Carter and coming together to elect Reagan.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

What is swell here is that in spite of the intense republican campaign that has tried to make us believe that Barack Obama is a socialist, a muslim and an anti-American then the American people still seem to favour Barack Obama.

I know, poor Obama... Having to bear the company of all those America-hating people around him like his parents, pastor, teachers, fellow students, business partners, wife, etc, and being stuck with a Muslim middle name, a Muslim father, having to go through Muslim teachings. Having to grimace and bear through all those socialist meetings he attended and having to humor all his socialist friends.... while all the while he's a true blue anti-socialist, bible thumping American patriot. Finally as president he'll be able to put that miserable past and those miserable associates behind him and he can start whistling Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

And I'll be the first to truly salute you once you have the guts to elect the first black man for President of the United States of America.

I asked this question of someone else, and naturally got no answer, so I'll ask you (despite your long history of ignoring my questions):

Why do so many people think the idea of a black president is something 'brilliant'. Like it's such an obvious thing that's an answer to all our problems. What about Chinese Americans? Italian? What is it about a black president that is so compelling?

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Hankypoo. Since you are unwilling or unable to answer how America makes your life such a living hell over there in Indonesia, I'll just have to assume you're one of those America haters. So there's no point in educating you on the merits of a capitalist system. It's one of those you get it or you don't things. I don't see how it affects life in Indonesia. I can't imagine the general population there waking up, planning on doing something and saying "Blast! I can't! Because of those DAMN AMERICANS!!!". At least up until now, the majority of Americans got it. I have no illusions that McCain will win this election, so next week have a ball yucking it up.

Don't worry about me, I will be fine. I'm more than halfway through paying off my house with a low interest rate, so I won't be one of the one's paying off a 20+% home loan that will be waiting for us by the end of Obama's term. I live close enough to work that I can ride my bike if I have to, so I don't need to wait in the gas lines that will be coming. Obama wants to expand the government and I work for the government so I shouldn't be one of the ones in the double digit unemployment rate we'll have. And if I do loose my job, I can just mooch off of the paychecks of other people who work hard in the work force. Obama's policies are obviously doomed to failure just as making loans to poor minorities was obviously doomed to failure. Apparently a large portion of Americans need to learn this the hard way, and in 4 more years, hopefully they'll see the light and get back on track - as they had after making the mistake of electing Carter and coming together to elect Reagan.

I know, poor Obama... Having to bear the company of all those America-hating people around him like his parents, pastor, teachers, fellow students, business partners, wife, etc, and being stuck with a Muslim middle name, a Muslim father, having to go through Muslim teachings. Having to grimace and bear through all those socialist meetings he attended and having to humor all his socialist friends.... while all the while he's a true blue anti-socialist, bible thumping American patriot. Finally as president he'll be able to put that miserable past and those miserable associates behind him and he can start whistling Yankee Doodle Dandy.



I asked this question of someone else, and naturally got no answer, so I'll ask you (despite your long history of ignoring my questions):

Why do so many people think the idea of a black president is something 'brilliant'. Like it's such an obvious thing that's an answer to all our problems. What about Chinese Americans? Italian? What is it about a black president that is so compelling?

No not at all - I'm certainly not one of your America haters - I just dislike fascism and George Bush and all what he stands for. His stupidity, his arrogance, his completely failed policy, his pseudo patriotism ("If you're not for me, you're against America..." and crap like that that he and his like-minded keep insinuating). He is luckily not the concept of America that I have met and respect.

He has in general made it considerably harder to be a Westener anywhere in the world. My comments are per se not specifically geared toward Indonesia. He's merely a dumb guy who never should have been elected... and now he'll laugh his ass off and ride into the sunshine to collect his fat pension, apparently totally unaware of the fact that he has left the world so much worse off than eight years ago.

I hope you don't suggest that one has to love George Bush to like America?

And regarding why it is "brilliant" that a black man gets the presidency? Not only is that in itself of immense historical value for all non-whites (in the whole world), but it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent. Aside from that, I belive his policy is promising. He is a bridge builder and can hopefully mend some of the terrible wounds that your friend George Bush amBUSHED this world with.

So yes, I am certainly hoping for the best in these coming hours - for the whole bloody world!

Peace!

H

[TSBBG]

There is an old song by the Who called 'Won't get fooled again'. One of the lines is 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.

[hankhavelock]

What can I say? This is, indeed, a glorious day! A wonderful day for us all. For you Americans and the rest of us likewise.

God bless the result! Barack Obama did it! We did it!

Barack Obama, President-elect.

Congratulations to us all!

Peace!

Hank

[TracyCoxx]

Congratulations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMYkxszXe9s

Originally Posted by TSBBG

There is an old song by the Who called 'Won't get fooled again'. One of the lines is 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.

Sure hope not.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I just dislike fascism and George Bush and all what he stands for.

He's not fascist. Hitler was fascist. If you cannot see the difference, then I think that speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

He has in general made it considerably harder to be a Westener anywhere in the world.

Bush is not president of the western world. You're from northern Europe right? Whatever they say about Bush does not apply to you. If they think one western country is the same as all western countries that's ignorant. Rise above it.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I hope you don't suggest that one has to love George Bush to like America?

What have I ever said about Bush except to correct your error in saying he's a fascist?

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

And regarding why it is "brilliant" that a black man gets the presidency? Not only is that in itself of immense historical value for all non-whites (in the whole world), but it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent.

But that's the thing. If he did have talent and experience and has some kind of track record to his name (hopefully a good track record), then I wouldn't mind so much that he's president. But he has hardly any track record. What little track record he does have is unimpressive. (i.e. in the Illinois state Senate he voted 130 times 'present.' That's not yes, that's not no. That's maybe.) When tough issues come up in the world, he's going to have to take a stand. My guess is he'll ask his advisers. Perhaps they should be president instead. His experience? He's the least experienced person to become president in over 100 years. The only talent he has is in giving speeches. Make that reading speeches, he's pretty bad when he's ad libing. He'd make a better public relations person. But putting his lack of experience aside, and his call for 'change' and 'hope'. When you listen to what he says... There's nothing American to it.

So to your comment 'it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent' is complete BS. He is president because of his race and not because of his talent. That is not the American way. That's the Affirmative Action way.

[twistedone]

One thing I never talk about in a sex forum is politics.

The man won, lets hope he is better than Bush. For that matter, anything is better than Bush. George Bush that is.

The other kind of Bush is good.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

He's not fascist. Hitler was fascist. If you cannot see the difference, then I think that speaks for itself.

Coming from a person who just posted a video of Lenin and Stalin with the Soviet national anthem playing in reference to Obama victory.

You know what's worse than an ignorant bullshitter, a hypocritical ignorant bullshitter.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Coming from a person who just posted a video of Lenin and Stalin with the Soviet national anthem playing in reference to Obama victory.

You know what's worse than an ignorant bullshitter, a hypocritical ignorant bullshitter.

How is it hypocritical when as I said above:

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

His childhood mentor Marshall Davis, was a communist

While at school, went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union.

He has many dealings with Bill Ayers, a socialist and domestic terrorist.

He was a member of the Chicago Socialist Party, the Chicago New Party (a socialist party), and the Chicago Democratic Socialist of America.

As a senator he has been endorsed by the Marxist party's Frank Chapman who wrote "Obama's victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle," Chapman wrote "Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary 'mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."

i just hope that one day human beings and fish can co exist peacfully

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

He's not fascist. Hitler was fascist. If you cannot see the difference, then I think that speaks for itself.

Bush is not president of the western world. You're from northern Europe right? Whatever they say about Bush does not apply to you. If they think one western country is the same as all western countries that's ignorant. Rise above it.

What have I ever said about Bush except to correct your error in saying he's a fascist?

But that's the thing. If he did have talent and experience and has some kind of track record to his name (hopefully a good track record), then I wouldn't mind so much that he's president. But he has hardly any track record. What little track record he does have is unimpressive. (i.e. in the Illinois state Senate he voted 130 times 'present.' That's not yes, that's not no. That's maybe.) When tough issues come up in the world, he's going to have to take a stand. My guess is he'll ask his advisers. Perhaps they should be president instead. His experience? He's the least experienced person to become president in over 100 years. The only talent he has is in giving speeches. Make that reading speeches, he's pretty bad when he's ad libing. He'd make a better public relations person. But putting his lack of experience aside, and his call for 'change' and 'hope'. When you listen to what he says... There's nothing American to it.

So to your comment 'it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent' is complete BS. He is president because of his race and not because of his talent. That is not the American way. That's the Affirmative Action way.

TracyBaby, it would seem that the essense keeps escaping you... if you cannot grasp the importance of what has happened and if you cannot even in your right-wing little heart salute the beauty of it all, then I rest my case.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

And regarding why it is "brilliant" that a black man gets the presidency? Not only is that in itself of immense historical value for all non-whites (in the whole world), but it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

But that's the thing. If he did have talent and experience and has some kind of track record to his name (hopefully a good track record), then I wouldn't mind so much that he's president.
...

His experience? He's the least experienced person to become president in over 100 years. The only talent he has is in giving speeches. Make that reading speeches, he's pretty bad when he's ad libing. He'd make a better public relations person. But putting his lack of experience aside, and his call for 'change' and 'hope'. When you listen to what he says... There's nothing American to it.

So to your comment 'it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent' is complete BS. He is president because of his race and not because of his talent. That is not the American way. That's the Affirmative Action way.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

TracyBaby, it would seem that the essense keeps escaping you... if you cannot grasp the importance of what has happened and if you cannot even in your right-wing little heart salute the beauty of it all, then I rest my case.

Ok, so for Hank's reason for why we need a black president regardless of experience or his political leanings is "beauty"... reason ascertained: because America just needs a black president.

Well I guess that about wraps it up. Kind of anti-climactic I'd say. For some reason I thought you had more depth than that.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Ok, so for Hank's reason for why we need a black president regardless of experience or his political leanings is "beauty"... reason ascertained: because America just needs a black president.

Well I guess that about wraps it up. Kind of anti-climactic I'd say. For some reason I thought you had more depth than that.

Tracy, you hot goddess... I'm about as deep as a burned out pan cake without a pan... ;-)

No, you just keep insisting on your own agenda and repeating the same old ultra right wing stuff no matter what I say, so I figured it better to just let it rest.

BLACK POWER! ;-)

I still adore you, though!

Malcolm XXX