Languages

[jimnaseum]

Elucidate please. What?
When F Scott and Hemingway and Orson Welles got famous they went to Europe, got to know the people, the languages, absorb, then when they got home it hit them in the face how rascist America was. When Malcolm X went to the middle East he said for the first time in his life he could walk down the street and not FEEL people eryeballing him. Of course it's not as bad now, but there was an episode on the Sopranos where Tony goes to Italy, everybody eats together, the kids play with the parents, there's flowers everywhere, then Tony gets back to Jersey and drives down the NJ parkway and it's chain link fences and smokestacks. People in Europe pay higher taxes but they get it back in services. The Romance languages are deeper culturally.

[Mel Asher]

Since I have you pegged as Ahasuerus ( although he was last identified in Mainz 400 years ago, and you do not claim knowledge of German ) Ecclesiastical Latin would be familiar ground to you. Perhaps you gave Linnaeus a helping hand. Either way, may I be so bold as to point out that you left Panthera uncia off your list. Snow Leopards are so beautiful, they deserve a mention. Next to Panthera nebulosa ( which is still a matter of hot debate in zoological circles as to whether it should be a Felis or one of the Panthera ) it is certainly one of the rarest cats.

No apologies please, Sesame, by all means bang on about Linnaeus. I'm really obsessive about nature, mammals in particular ( quite apart from Trannies, that is ! ), so I'm happy !

[RedderZNZ]

My native tongue is Russian.
Fluent in Ukrainian and English.
Got some basics in French and German.
Remember some words from Spanish

Ну и само собой немножко уроков по великому и могучему: Здорово, пацаны! Как жизнь молодая! Всем удачи

[sesame]

Ah, Mel, what are friends like you for?
If I miss something, please, do remind me.
But the Southeast Asian Clouded Leopard
has already got a Latin name. And its :
Neofelis nebulosa

meaning clouded new cat.
Neo = new (Greek), felis = cat (Latin)
Nebulosa = foggy (Latin)
It lives in the rainforests of SE Asia.

Panthera uncia
The magnificent snow leopard of SE Asia.
This beautiful fat-cat is found at a height of 10,000 feet!
(officially 5000-18,000 feet) Its home is in the Altai mountains (Russia & Mongolia), Hindu-Kush mountains (Afghanistan) and the Himalayas.
It mostly stays in the snowy heights.

[sesame]

Pardon me, Ila dear, for dragging the thread forcibly into the wild.

[Mel Asher]

Originally Posted by sesame

Ah, Mel, what are friends like you for?
If I miss something, please, do remind me.
But the Southeast Asian Clouded Leopard
has already got a Latin name. And its :
Neofelis nebulosa

meaning clouded new cat.
Neo = new (Greek), felis = cat (Latin)
Nebulosa = foggy (Latin)
It lives in the rainforests of SE Asia.

Panthera uncia
The magnificent snow leopard of SE Asia.
This beautiful fat-cat is found at a height of 10,000 feet!
(officially 5000-18,000 feet) Its home is in the Altai mountains (Russia & Mongolia), Hindu-Kush mountains (Afghanistan) and the Himalayas.
It mostly stays in the snowy heights.

Thanks for the nice comment, Sesame. I'm not sure where I would start with such a thread. The sex life of Chimpanzees, perhaps ? ( Not joking, honest !) But I'm not sure that wildlife would spark an awful lot of interest. Opinions and suggestions ( as vulgar as you like ) welcome on this from anyone.

[nmlss]

I'm from Barcelona, so my two official languages are spanish and catalan (and english, but it's not an official state language). Catalan is the language spoke in Catalonia, and it's a really refined one.

Salut i força al canut, gent!!

[ila]

Originally Posted by nmlss

I'm from Barcelona, so my two official languages are spanish and catalan (and english, but it's not an official state language). Catalan is the language spoke in Catalonia, and it's a really refined one.

Salut i força al canut, gent!!

A question for you nmlss, and I'm not being facetious here. Is Catalan considered a language on its own or is it considered a dialect of Spanish? If it is a dialect how does it differ from Spanish? If it is a language to what group of languages does it belong?

[ila]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

The Romance languages are deeper culturally.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? The Romance languages developed from Latin. How does that make them culturally deeper than any other language? Don't give me the explanation that Romance languages are more romantic than other languages. The term Romance language is not used to describe the languages in the sense that romance is currently used in English. Rather the term Romance language only means that it was derived from the Romans, who spoke Latin.

[sesame]

Much the same has happened with English and Dutch which are just two languages derived from German.

English derived from German? That is an insane idea! Or do you mean Germanic (Indo-European family of languages)?(thats true)

I prefer to think that English, French & German developed independantly from Latin & Indo-European family of languages.

In fact, French sounds very much like a twisted dialect of English. (no pun) Just my observation.

[ila]

Originally Posted by sesame

English derived from German? That is an insane idea! Or do you mean Germanic (Indo-European family of languages)?(thats true)

I prefer to think that English, French & German developed independantly from Latin & Indo-European family of languages.

In fact, French sounds very much like a twisted dialect of English. (no pun) Just my observation.

To be truly accurate English is a Germanic language. English is named after the Angles, a Germanic tribe. The Saxons, another Germanic tribe, also had a great influence on English. Norwegian and Danish words, through the Viking conquests, have contributed words to the English language. All the Scandanavian languages are classified as Germanic (note Finns are not Scandanavian and their language is not Germanic).

If one traces back the Indo European languages one will find that their common root is Sanskrit.

[sesame]

Sanskrit, as we know it, is not the original Vedic language.
SansKrit as the name signifies is a reformed language.
Samskara=to reform or clean up.
The Old Vedic language is Deva-Bhasha the language of the Gods (Deva).
Panini, a scholar cleaned up the very complex grammer and simplified it into Sanskrit. SansKrit as a language is very scientific, its almost mathematical! If you mixup randomly all the words in a Sanskrit sentence, it will still mean the same! The phonetic speech sounds in Sanskrit also rise and fall in perfect musical rhythm, accurate to the minutest degree. All verses constructed in Sanskrit are bound in a particular metre and a rhythm by the author. This is called Chhanda.

So, Veda was not spoken like random speech.
Rather, it was sung! People communicated in songs, with melody!

[ila]

Originally Posted by sesame

Sanskrit, as we know it, is not the original Vedic language.
SansKrit as the name signifies is a reformed language.
Samskara=to reform or clean up.
The Old Vedic language is Deva-Bhasha the language of the Gods (Deva).
Panini, a scholar cleaned up the very complex grammer and simplified it into Sanskrit. SansKrit as a language is very scientific, its almost mathematical! If you mixup randomly all the words in a Sanskrit sentence, it will still mean the same! The phonetic speech sounds in Sanskrit also rise and fall in perfect musical rhythm, accurate to the minutest degree. All verses constructed in Sanskrit are bound in a particular metre and a rhythm by the author. This is called Chhanda.

So, Veda was not spoken like random speech.
Rather, it was sung! People communicated in songs, with melody!

Thankyou Sesame. Although I have heard of Sanskrit and its relationship to the Indo-European languages I have never done any real research on it. Your post has been very informative and enlightening.

My mother language is Turkish ...
I can speak English but not very good when i speak, i write it better.

Türkiye den selamlar herkese !!!
Hepinize saygılar, sevgiler ...

Ila, nasılsın ? Türkçe konuşmak istermisin ?

[Mel Asher]

Sesame - I should have know I wouldn't get away with it ! Of course the beautiful Clouded Leopard does not belong to the Panther squad, but there again neither does it belong to the Felids. The skull structure apparently has some unique features with disqualify it from both groups. So there it is all on its own as is the Cheetah. I guess from the snow, the third of your pics is one of Uncia uncia, although I would have expected lighter colouration. Got fantastic paws too - just like camels. Pics 1 and 2 are most certainly Neofelis. Beautiful animals, all three ! Admiration and Respect. So, my apologies for trying to pull that one on you !

Now back to the subject of this thread - ila, I promise I will control my urge to enthuse any more about wildlife on this thread. You are quite right. Basque is linguistically unique and quite separate from the Indo-European languages. It is certainly no dialect, and the jury is still out as to whether the Basques represent the original indigenous people inhabiting the Pyreneean ( is that the right spelling ? It looks kinda funny ) regions. Mea culpa, ila, it was sloppy word usage on my part. Hells Teeth, that's two apologies in one post ! I must be really slipping !

I have to say there seem to be some excellent porn sites of ' Latin ' origin which have been thoroughly trawled for Shemales and Trannies. ( How many times have we come across pictures of Bianca in our Web Travels ? ) By the same token there must be not a few Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking Tgirls and Shemales who would, given the opportunity, take part in this Forum, but who feel excluded by language. Can this be redressed somehow ? Although I have enjoyed reading the discussion on the various origins of European languages, I think reaching out to others whose mother-tongue is not English should be given some further consideration.

[ila]

Originally Posted by Mel Asher

I have to say there seem to be some excellent porn sites of ' Latin ' origin which have been thoroughly trawled for Shemales and Trannies. ( How many times have we come across pictures of Bianca in our Web Travels ? ) By the same token there must be not a few Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking Tgirls and Shemales who would, given the opportunity, take part in this Forum, but who feel excluded by language. Can this be redressed somehow ? Although I have enjoyed reading the discussion on the various origins of European languages, I think reaching out to others whose mother-tongue is not English should be given some further consideration.

You have an interesting idea Mel. Do you have any proposals as to how to rectify this situation? I am not being sarcastic here. I am truly interested. Anyone can put up a post in any language they desire, but how many people on this site would be able to read a language other than English. If the majority cannot read the message then the purpose of the post is lost. I'm afraid I have no solutions to this. Perhaps someone might. I have seen automatic translation programs and although they can be functional, sometimes the results are hilarious and sometimes misleading.

[Mel Asher]

Originally Posted by Mel Asher

Sesame - I should have know I wouldn't get away with it ! Of course the beautiful Clouded Leopard does not belong to the Panther squad, but there again neither does it belong to the Felids. The skull structure apparently has some unique features with disqualify it from both groups. So there it is all on its own as is the Cheetah. I guess from the snow, the third of your pics is one of Uncia uncia, although I would have expected lighter colouration. Got fantastic paws too - just like camels. Pics 1 and 2 are most certainly Neofelis. Beautiful animals, all three ! Admiration and Respect. So, my apologies for trying to pull that one on you !

Now back to the subject of this thread - ila, I promise I will control my urge to enthuse any more about wildlife on this thread. You are quite right. Basque is linguistically unique and quite separate from the Indo-European languages. It is certainly no dialect, and the jury is still out as to whether the Basques represent the original indigenous people inhabiting the Pyreneean ( is that the right spelling ? It looks kinda funny ) regions. Mea culpa, ila, it was sloppy word usage on my part. Hells Teeth, that's two apologies in one post ! I must be really slipping !

I have to say there seem to be some excellent porn sites of ' Latin ' origin which have been thoroughly trawled for Shemales and Trannies. ( How many times have we come across pictures of Bianca in our Web Travels ? ) By the same token there must be not a few Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking Tgirls and Shemales who would, given the opportunity, take part in this Forum, but who feel excluded by language. Can this be redressed somehow ? Although I have enjoyed reading the discussion on the various origins of European languages, I think reaching out to others whose mother-tongue is not English should be given some further consideration.

On the subject of non-English Posts ( as opposed to those linguistic whimsies that are presented to everyone as a sort of guessing game ) I don't think that the inclusion of a link to a Universal Translator program among the available Tools would be all that a bad idea - even though some of the translations might turn out to be a bit hillarious - This woud give at least some meaning to the non-English posts so that we could all benefit from them. I put the idea to Grand Shemale Lover, but he didn't seem to think it a very good idea - so . . . . keep reaching for those dictionaries !

[SweetCharmer]

konichiwa genki desu?

[givemets]

ok but can u guess this


volim da me jebe trandza

[petreski]

СИТЕ ВЕ САКАМ

[curiousdude]

Dear all, after having lived in Malaysia, i have been exposed to malay, (both versions spoken in malaysia as well as indonesia), thai, chinese, indian (several dialects) and some other european languages. Nevertheless, i shall gloat about being able to speak any one of the above mentioned languages. I can only manage my life, food, shopping, etc needs if i were to be stuck in these places. However, i would like to share with you the main reason why i could not learn chinese. There are 4 main dialects of chinese language (dialect but each is completely different from the other) and the official version, which is called Mandarin Chinese. In general chinese language has roughly about 2000 characters, and each character is an equivalent of a "word" in our so called western understanding. However each character has 4 inntonations (ways of reading/pronounciation). Each pronounciation would mean something completely different. Furthermore, there are four dialects - Cantonese, Hakka, Hokkien, Teo Chew, which each has 2000 characters with 4 inntonations. In order to be able to fully speak Chinese (or consider yourself to be fully able to speak chinese) the formula goes as such:

(Mandarin X 2000 characters X 4 intonations)+(cantonese X 2000 characters X 4 intonations)+(Hakka X 2000 characters X 4 intonations)+(Hokkien X 2000 characters X 4 intonations)+(Teo Chew X 2000 characters X 4 intonations) = God Knows What....

I don't really know what is the outcome of this formula, however, if i am not mistaken, the equivalent of "tea" from Japan to Greece (including all other countries in between) is "chay" or a very similar pronounciation of "cha"...

[GRH]

I've picked up a few books and audio CD's to try to brush up on my French. I took three years of French in high school, but I don't remember a whole lot of it, and I was NEVER good at hearing the language spoken.

I'd like to try to gain some French fluency so I can be more competent should I emigrate to Canada or France someday, something I have seriously considered.

[ila]

Originally Posted by GRH

I've picked up a few books and audio CD's to try to brush up on my French. I took three years of French in high school, but I don't remember a whole lot of it, and I was NEVER good at hearing the language spoken.

I'd like to try to gain some French fluency so I can be more competent should I emigrate to Canada or France someday, something I have seriously considered.

I took French for six years in school and never really learned very much. A lot of the fault lies in the method of teaching languages in school. I learned more French in a few months out in the working world than I ever learned in the classroom. My hat is off to anyone that can learn any second language.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by ila

I took French for six years in school and never really learned very much. A lot of the fault lies in the method of teaching languages in school. I learned more French in a few months out in the working world than I ever learned in the classroom. My hat is off to anyone that can learn any second language.

Oh no! Our polar bear has become a frog!



Just kidding!

[ila]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Oh no! Our polar bear has become a frog!



Just kidding!

Nope, not really. I can barely speak any French at all.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by ila

I took French for six years in school and never really learned very much. A lot of the fault lies in the method of teaching languages in school. I learned more French in a few months out in the working world than I ever learned in the classroom. My hat is off to anyone that can learn any second language.

What will you opine about someone who can speak 5 other languages besides vernacular? Eh, eh, eh, Monsieur Papa Bear?

[SweetCheaks]

My first language is German but I prefer to speak English. I tried to learn Russian when i was younger but i screwed up