GOP'ish candidates

[Trogdor]

If I were to choose, I would say Ron Paul. Apart from his views on abortions and same sex marriage, he's got good ideas. Pity the media gives him limited coverage, as opposed to these drama queens and kings that the others are.

[Trogdor]

One of the main things that need to be done is to reverse several of Obama's energy policies. Obama has openly stated that his goal was to drive coal companies into bankruptcy and that energy costs under his presidency would necessarily skyrocket. Banning oil drilling sure hasn't helped. If the cost of energy goes up, the cost of everything goes up.

Problem is, big coal and oil suppress alternative energy sources, plus I am a firm believer in abiotic oil, and the oil companies would wind up selling oil dirt cheap if proven true. I also believe that while abiotic oil is true, we need to use something else, since oil is too valuable to be used for energy....plus I've been to places like L.A., I don't need to see the air get more foul and my eyes burning even more so. I am also a firm believer in zero point energy, and both J.P. Morgan and Thomas Edison went all out to destroy Nikola Tesla's reputation and well being, since if he would have gotten it going, it would have meant, safe, clean and free energy for everyone...and both Morgan and Edison did not want that (Edison was a businessman, and an asshole first, and a scientist second)...and Tesla died a penniless and broken man because of them.

Think about it, you really think the oil companies will say, "A new way or energy is found? Great! We will step down as a domineering force and not make billions in profits (and I also believe in abiotic oil since one does NOT make record billions in profit on a dwindling resource) and make way for progress!" Not gonna happen, folks, until someone's got the balls or the tits to tell big oil and coal what they can go do with themselves.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Problem is, big coal and oil suppress alternative energy sources, plus I am a firm believer in abiotic oil, and the oil companies would wind up selling oil dirt cheap if proven true. I also believe that while abiotic oil is true, we need to use something else, since oil is too valuable to be used for energy....plus I've been to places like L.A., I don't need to see the air get more foul and my eyes burning even more so. I am also a firm believer in zero point energy, and both J.P. Morgan and Thomas Edison went all out to destroy Nikola Tesla's reputation and well being, since if he would have gotten it going, it would have meant, safe, clean and free energy for everyone...and both Morgan and Edison did not want that (Edison was a businessman, and an asshole first, and a scientist second)...and Tesla died a penniless and broken man because of them.

Think about it, you really think the oil companies will say, "A new way or energy is found? Great! We will step down as a domineering force and not make billions in profits (and I also believe in abiotic oil since one does NOT make record billions in profit on a dwindling resource) and make way for progress!" Not gonna happen, folks, until someone's got the balls or the tits to tell big oil and coal what they can go do with themselves.

So all those academics, they are just keeping quiet about this? They are all bought and paid for by corporations? It's all a giant conspiracy dating several decades at least?

[smc]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So all those academics, they are just keeping quiet about this? They are all bought and paid for by corporations? It's all a giant conspiracy dating several decades at least?

Hey, I'm an academic! Where do I sign up for these payments?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by smc

Hey, I'm an academic! Where do I sign up for these payments?

Keep it quiet smc. I'll send you the forms for official membership later. For now you can attend the meetings. The are held every Thursday; I'll email you the address. Don't forget your tinfoil hat, your fake piece of moon rock and that piece of dynamite used to blow up the Twin Towers. Special guest this week: JFK and his "assassin." They're good buddies.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Keep it quiet smc. I'll send you the forms for official membership later. For now you can attend the meetings. The are held every Thursday; I'll email you the address. Don't forget your tinfoil hat, your fake piece of moon rock and that piece of dynamite used to blow up the Twin Towers. Special guest this week: JFK and his "assassin." They're good buddies.

Trogdor deserves a serious response, so here it is.

Regarding the theory that oil is abiotic in origin: This theory hypothesizes that oil is formed not from any organic substance, but from magma. The problemm with the theory is that no one has yet to find any unrefined oil that DOES NOT contain microscopic evidence of the organisms from which it was formed. In fact, researchers are able to trace the oil to specific times when the oil was formed.

Now, "scholars" who argue for the abiotic theory (I could not find a single one at my university, which is one of the three leading technological universities in the world) claim that the biotic origin of oil has never been proven, and that the fact that Russia has been exploring and finding "abiotic" oil for decades proves their perspective. This simply ignores the fact stated in the paragraph above.

Ultimately, those who argue for the abiotic theory (contrary to Trogdor's explanation) are proxies for the oil companies, who want to dispel the notion that oil is a finite resource. Were they to embrace that notion, they would be hard-pressed to make a logical case for their massive, funded-with-billions-of-dollars opposition to alternative energy development.

Whoever wins the nomination, I, for one, pray it causes the "Republican" Party to self-destruct. After that, the "Democrats" are next. Bye-bye, Republicrats. The Constitution Party is the true face of American conservatism. Of course, I'm no fan of their Christian-nationalist "cultural mandate" views, among others, but at least they really are fiscally conservative, unlike the tax-and-spend neocons with their "trickle-down" bullshit.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I am also a firm believer in zero point energy

Zero point energy is a fact. It's been observed. It's not some idea that's being debated.

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Think about it, you really think the oil companies will say, "A new way or energy is found? Great! We will step down as a domineering force and not make billions in profits (and I also believe in abiotic oil since one does NOT make record billions in profit on a dwindling resource) and make way for progress!" Not gonna happen, folks, until someone's got the balls or the tits to tell big oil and coal what they can go do with themselves.

If a better energy source is found that's more profitable, oil companies have a choice, just as companies like Kodak did when they switched from manufacturing film to digital cameras and digital media. Either go down or join the competition.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Zero point energy is a fact. It's been observed. It's not some idea that's being debated.

If a better energy source is found that's more profitable, oil companies have a choice, just as companies like Kodak did when they switched from manufacturing film to digital cameras and digital media. Either go down or join the competition.

Since when do corporations and big businesses compete honestly?
If the zero point energy comes to pass, there will be no competition. If free energy comes to pass, no one will be competing, since it would be pointless. Telsa's life was ruined by J.P. Morgan and Edison, because he wanted to make free, clean energy for all...not something to sell, and I say if energy can be harnessed and made for dirt cheap or costing nothing, that would be like breaking the chains, as it were, since we're pretty much enslaved by big oil.

And energy companies, especially oil companies, are not exactly the most honorable or honest of people. It's interesting when I read articles of scientists who are in the fields of alternative energy found dead under mysterious circumstance, and they are often said to be suicides, I can not believe that many alternative energy scientists are THAT depressed.

Keep it quiet smc. I'll send you the forms for official membership later. For now you can attend the meetings. The are held every Thursday; I'll email you the address. Don't forget your tinfoil hat, your fake piece of moon rock and that piece of dynamite used to blow up the Twin Towers. Special guest this week: JFK and his "assassin." They're good buddies.

Good thing I never speak of hyper-dimensional physics, or any other non main stream topics with you, since all I'd read here would be petty sarcasm and what not.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

If the zero point energy comes to pass, there will be no competition.

Zero point energy does just fine without us and already exists in nature. It is the reason that liquid helium can not freeze, no matter how cold it gets.

Originally Posted by Trogdor

If free energy comes to pass, no one will be competing, since it would be pointless.

Unless you can concentrate and fire off free energy beams from your palms you'll need some device to create it and make use of it. It will be made by evil corporations. Oh sure, it may start in Bobby's garage, but Bobby will get a patent on it and begin his evil empire... making money off his ingenuity. gasp But I wouldn't hold your breath. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics forbids it. You may argue against it, but to do so, you'd have to start by saying there are more ordered states than disordered states of a system. Entropy always increases.

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Telsa's life was ruined by J.P. Morgan and Edison, because he wanted to make free, clean energy for all...not something to sell, and I say if energy can be harnessed and made for dirt cheap or costing nothing, that would be like breaking the chains, as it were, since we're pretty much enslaved by big oil.

Tesla may have been picked on, but that doesn't change the fact about entropy. And btw, you're not enslaved by big oil. Go ride your bike. Convert your vehicle into bio-diesel. Use solar energy. Use your powerful intellect, which allows you to argue against modern physicists and claim that free energy is possible and build your own perpetual motion machine. You're only enslaved by big oil if you accept the status quo and follow the herd.

Originally Posted by Trogdor

And energy companies, especially oil companies, are not exactly the most honorable or honest of people. It's interesting when I read articles of scientists who are in the fields of alternative energy found dead under mysterious circumstance, and they are often said to be suicides, I can not believe that many alternative energy scientists are THAT depressed.

You must admit that a hypothetical conspiracy theorist wearing a tin foil hat might say such things.

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Good thing I never speak of hyper-dimensional physics, or any other non main stream topics with you, since all I'd read here would be petty sarcasm and what not.

Please do. I've dabbled in 5 dimensional physics so I'd be interested in the discussion.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Zero point energy does just fine without us and already exists in nature. It is the reason that liquid helium can not freeze, no matter how cold it gets.

Unless you can concentrate and fire off free energy beams from your palms you'll need some device to create it and make use of it. It will be made by evil corporations. Oh sure, it may start in Bobby's garage, but Bobby will get a patent on it and begin his evil empire... making money off his ingenuity. gasp But I wouldn't hold your breath. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics forbids it. You may argue against it, but to do so, you'd have to start by saying there are more ordered states than disordered states of a system. Entropy always increases.

Tesla may have been picked on, but that doesn't change the fact about entropy. And btw, you're not enslaved by big oil. Go ride your bike. Convert your vehicle into bio-diesel. Use solar energy. Use your powerful intellect, which allows you to argue against modern physicists and claim that free energy is possible and build your own perpetual motion machine. You're only enslaved by big oil if you accept the status quo and follow the herd.

You must admit that a hypothetical conspiracy theorist wearing a tin foil hat might say such things.

Please do. I've dabbled in 5 dimensional physics so I'd be interested in the discussion.

I'll be glad to discuss that, we can make a thread about that.

And PLEASE lay off the god damned tinfoil hat thing, it's like someone says something so non mainstream that the typical American Idol/Dancing with the Stars slobs can't even think of, makes it's so 'conspiracy theorist'. I mean why are so many of these fellows found dead? And big companies doing despicable things is not a new concept. I mean if rich individuals can get away with heinous crimes....just look at any of those folks who get off with murder or narcotics because he or she had the $$$ to pass around. Could see big oil doing that, too.

And back to the other bit, before some people start screaming tinfoil hat (again), the when the first American satellite was launched, several key, mainstream physics were not just broken, but thrown out the window during the course of those events. I'll post that stuff up later, once I can gather up all my notes and papers on it.

[smc]

This is unrealistic, because in my experience cats are generally more intelligent than Republican primary voters.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I'll be glad to discuss that, we can make a thread about that.

And PLEASE lay off the god damned tinfoil hat thing, it's like someone says something so non mainstream that the typical American Idol/Dancing with the Stars slobs can't even think of, makes it's so 'conspiracy theorist'. I mean why are so many of these fellows found dead? And big companies doing despicable things is not a new concept. I mean if rich individuals can get away with heinous crimes....just look at any of those folks who get off with murder or narcotics because he or she had the $$$ to pass around. Could see big oil doing that, too.

And back to the other bit, before some people start screaming tinfoil hat (again), the when the first American satellite was launched, several key, mainstream physics were not just broken, but thrown out the window during the course of those events. I'll post that stuff up later, once I can gather up all my notes and papers on it.

I wish you luck on your anomaly hunting.

Breaking News: the earth is expanding! (also it's flat and all the scientists are keeping it quiet)

[ila]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Zero point energy does just fine without us and already exists in nature. It is the reason that liquid helium can not freeze, no matter how cold it gets.

It's been many years since I took physics and chemistry, but I do remember reading that everything freezes at absolute zero -273*C.

btw cannot is one word not two.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by ila

It's been many years since I took physics and chemistry, but I do remember reading that everything freezes at absolute zero -273*C.

Remember quantum mechanics? Due to the heisenberg uncertainty principle, you can never bring particles (like electrons) to absolute rest, like you might think would happen at absolute zero. The minimum energy would be (1/2)hf, where h is planck's constant and f is the oscillation frequency associated with the De Broglie wavelength of the electron. This would be the zero-point energy, and does prevent liquid helium from freezing... at least below a pressure of 25 atms.

Originally Posted by ila

btw cannot is one word not two.

seriously?

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/cannot.html

[smc]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

If I were to choose, I would say Ron Paul. Apart from his views on abortions and same sex marriage, he's got good ideas. Pity the media gives him limited coverage, as opposed to these drama queens and kings that the others are.

Ron Paul on "Hardball," MSNBC, May 3, 2011, attempting to justify is racist rejection of the 1964 Civil Rights Act

Chris Matthews: Let me ask you this: the '64 civil rights bill. Do you think a [em]ployer, a guy runs his shop down in Texas has a right to say, "If you're black, you don't come in my store". That was the libertarian right before '64. Was it the balanced society?

Ron Paul: I believe that property rights should be protected. Your right to be on TV is protected by property rights because somebody owns that station. I can't walk into your station. So right of freedom of speech is protected by property. The right of your church is protected by property. So people should honor and protect it. This gimmick, Chris, it's off the wall when you say I'm for property rights and states' rights, therefore I'm a racist. I mean that's just outlandish. Wait, Chris. Wait, Chris. People who say that if the law was there and you could do that, who's going to do it? What idiot would do that?

Chris Matthews: Everybody in the South. I saw these signs driving through the South in college. Of course they did it. You remember them doing it.

Ron Paul: Yeah, I but also know that the Jim Crow laws were illegal and we got rid of them under that same law, and that's all good. Government ?

Chris Matthews: But you would've voted against that law.

Ron Paul: Pardon me?

Chris Matthews: You would've voted against that law. You wouldn't have voted for the '64 civil rights bill.

Ron Paul: Yes, but not in ? I wouldn?t vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws.

Chris Matthews: But you would have voted for the ? you know you ? oh, come on. Honestly, Congressman, you were not for the '64 civil rights bill.

Ron Paul: Because ? because of the property rights element, not because it got rid of the Jim Crow law.

Chris Matthews: Let me ask you this: I once went to Laundromat when I was at a Peace Corps training in Baker, Louisiana. A Laundromat had this sign on in glaze: "Whites only on the Laundromat", just to use the Laundromat machines. This was a local shop saying no blacks allowed. You say that should be legal?

Ron Paul: That's ? that's ancient history. That's ancient history. That's over and done with.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

If I were to choose, I would say Ron Paul. Apart from his views on abortions and same sex marriage, he's got good ideas. Pity the media gives him limited coverage, as opposed to these drama queens and kings that the others are.

Ron Paul on the separation of church and state:

"The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity."

"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs."

[Trogdor]

I am referring to his economic stuff, smc.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I am referring to his economic stuff, smc.

Roll your eyes all you want, but you wrote that you would "choose" Ron Paul, presumably to be president since that is the topic of this thread. Your choice, then, includes accepting his social views. I'll leave his economic views -- which are more regressive than even the flat-tax idiots among the other Republican candidates -- for comments from others ... except to say that libertarian economic views are, at their base, an endorsement of "dog eat dog."

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

Ron Paul on the separation of church and state:

"The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity."

Hold on... just imagining that for a sec... ahhh ok.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Hold on... just imagining that for a sec... ahhh ok.

You do realize that he is advocating AGAINST such a transformation, right?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

You do realize that he is advocating AGAINST such a transformation, right?

Yes, of course. I think I've been pretty clear in this thread that i have no love for the religious right. A secular America would be heaven for me