Liberal free for all coming to an end

[GRH]

Even if my economic and social philosophy aligned with conservative Republican values, I don't think I could ever affiliate with a party that would seek to take away transgendered/gay rights (or at the minimum, deny them).

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by GRH

Even if my economic and social philosophy aligned with conservative Republican values, I don't think I could ever affiliate with a party that would seek to take away transgendered/gay rights (or at the minimum, deny them).

Exactly but speaking of that, the very same thing occurred over on HungAngels Forums. There was a transwoman who lived part time but why part time? Because her job was a campaign member of a Republican party where she had to dress and look like a man, fully aware that she would be fired from her job if they knew she was transitioning. But she was so twisted into Republican and conservative ideology that no matter how many people explained it to her what she was doing was wrong and hypocritical she ended up leaving the forum or getting banned, not sure. She just couldn't accept the fact that by doing her job, which was to make phone calls and promote people to vote for Republicans, that she was damaging and hurting herself, her community (LGBT) and being a hypocrite, supporting and working for a party that wants to deny rights to and outlaw LGBT people. It's sad.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GRH

Even if my economic and social philosophy aligned with conservative Republican values, I don't think I could ever affiliate with a party that would seek to take away transgendered/gay rights (or at the minimum, deny them).

Absolutely. Seems to me that's as good a reason to shun the Democrats as well.

[randolph]

Perhaps the two prominent conservatives on the forum (Fran and Tracy), would be willing to explain how they reconcile their politically conservative views with the intolerance and hate of conservatives toward transsexuals.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

Perhaps the two prominent conservatives on the forum (Fran and Tracy), would be willing to explain how they reconcile their politically conservative views with the intolerance and hate of conservatives toward transsexuals.

You are mixing apples and oranges. The republicans like me because I'm conservative. Am I trying to reconcile hatred here from others because I am conservative? Ever notice how many conservatives used to be Democrats? Former Texas Governor John Connally comes to mind. Hatred of transsexuals is not bound by party lines. What I can't stand is just about everything that the democrats seem to support. ( the list is too long to waste the web space)

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Absolutely. Seems to me that's as good a reason to shun the Democrats as well.

Since Obama has been in office he has managed to tear down DADT and pass federal hate crimes protections for transgender. Why would you shun that? My state is run by Dems and we just passed gay marriage and laws like GENDA are in the works (which protect transgender from discrimination). Our Democratic friends have also repeatedly attempted to introduce and pass ENDA, which would protect LGB & Transgender from employment discrimination under federal law.

But every time, Republicans have fought to strike them down and religious organizations and corrupt conservative/right wing lobbyists have done everything in their power to not only kill such bills in the Congress and Senate but also openly bash transgender people and spread propaganda lies about us, ie: all those Republican right wing "Family" organizations.

I have great respect for Democrats, while I am not registered to any specific party, I voted for Obama and he was a good choice for me and the community.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Since Obama has been in office he has managed to tear down DADT and pass federal hate crimes protections for transgender. Why would you shun that? My state is run by Dems and we just passed gay marriage and laws like GENDA are in the works (which protect transgender from discrimination). Our Democratic friends have also repeatedly attempted to introduce and pass ENDA, which would protect LGB & Transgender from employment discrimination under federal law.

But every time, Republicans have fought to strike them down and religious organizations and corrupt conservative/right wing lobbyists have done everything in their power to not only kill such bills in the Congress and Senate but also openly bash transgender people and spread propaganda lies about us, ie: all those Republican right wing "Family" organizations.

I have great respect for Democrats, while I am not registered to any specific party, I voted for Obama and he was a good choice for me and the community.

I thought the administration took down DADT grudingly. Am I wrong about this? I'd certainly like to be wrong about it. And Obama doesn't seem to want to pass a bill for marriage equality. But if you are correct Kitti then I gladly rescind my previous post.

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I thought the administration took down DADT grudingly. Am I wrong about this? I'd certainly like to be wrong about it. And Obama doesn't seem to want to pass a bill for marriage equality. But if you are correct Kitti then I gladly rescind my previous post.

No, the military and Pentagon are dismantling DADT grudgingly in accordance with the law signed by Obama and through Supreme Court order. They are dragging their feet like whiny assholes and even after the bill passed they kept discharging gays but the Supreme Court recently ordered a freeze on discharges. I hate Repubs. They won't even obey the law.

Also in regards to federal recognition of gay marriage, the Obama administration declared DOMA unconstitutional.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

No, the military and Pentagon are dismantling DADT grudgingly in accordance with the law signed by Obama and through Supreme Court order. They are dragging their feet like whiny assholes and even after the bill passed they kept discharging gays but the Supreme Court recently ordered a freeze on discharges. I hate Repubs. They won't even follow the law.

But you forget Kitty: Obama is rescinding DADT because he's weak on defense. He sympathizes with terrorists. Hell he is one. Hussein? Don't tell me that's not a terrorist name. What we need to win this--neverending--war is strong virile heterosexual men. No one shoots like a man pumped up with testosterone and lusting after his wife or girlfriend back home. And heterosexuality also endows you with God's own light, thus protecting you from bullets. Destroy the sanctity of marriage and that of the Army by giving them to the homosexual communists--50s or 40s reference I am not fucking kidding--and you deliver us unto the terrorists.

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But you forget Kitty: Obama is rescinding DADT because he's weak on defense. He sympathizes with terrorists. Hell he is one. Hussein? Don't tell me that's not a terrorist name. What we need to win this--neverending--war is strong virile heterosexual men. No one shoots like a man pumped up with testosterone and lusting after his wife or girlfriend back home. And heterosexuality also endows you with God's own light, thus protecting you from bullets. Destroy the sanctity of marriage and that of the Army by giving them to the homosexual communists--50s or 40s reference I am not fucking kidding--and you deliver us unto the terrorists.

Please tell me that entire statement is a troll joke.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

No, the military and Pentagon are dismantling DADT grudgingly in accordance with the law signed by Obama and through Supreme Court order. They are dragging their feet like whiny assholes and even after the bill passed they kept discharging gays but the Supreme Court recently ordered a freeze on discharges. I hate Repubs. They won't even obey the law.

The Supreme Court ordered a freeze on them? I'm quite surprised.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Since Obama has been in office he has managed to tear down DADT

Say whu??

Obama's legislative cowpat of a repeal for dadt is such a worthless sponge it allows the military to drag thier feet for as long as possible, in the meantime continuing to discharge gay personnel. The discharge of gay soldiers was actually stopped by the Log Cabin Republican's court action. Obama then promptly cried about how it should be changed through legislation, not a court ruling.

Just goes to show what a worthless sack of dough Obama is that he gets beaten to the punch by a Republican group on one of his own campaign promises.

Yes, Democrats may be better than the Republicans but only in the same way as a 1 legged dog is better than a no legged dog.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Say whu??

Obama's legislative cowpat of a repeal for dadt is such a worthless sponge it allows the military to drag thier feet for as long as possible, in the meantime continuing to discharge gay personnel. The discharge of gay soldiers was actually stopped by the Log Cabin Republican's court action. Obama then promptly cried about how it should be changed through legislation, not a court ruling.

Just goes to show what a worthless sack of dough Obama is that he gets beaten to the punch by a Republican group on one of his own campaign promises.

Yes, Democrats may be better than the Republicans but only in the same way as a 1 legged dog is better than a no legged dog.

I think I agree with Anna now. That part about the dog, that part...that part is funny.

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Say whu??

Obama's legislative cowpat of a repeal for dadt is such a worthless sponge it allows the military to drag thier feet for as long as possible, in the meantime continuing to discharge gay personnel. The discharge of gay soldiers was actually stopped by the Log Cabin Republican's court action. Obama then promptly cried about how it should be changed through legislation, not a court ruling.

Just goes to show what a worthless sack of dough Obama is that he gets beaten to the punch by a Republican group on one of his own campaign promises.

Yes, Democrats may be better than the Republicans but only in the same way as a 1 legged dog is better than a no legged dog.

I can't find anything about Obama "crying about the court ruling". And the Log Cabin Repubs are homosexuals... they must have their party affiliations confused.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

I can't find anything about Obama "crying about the court ruling". And the Log Cabin Repubs are homosexuals... they must have their party affiliations confused.

Must resist lowbrow lazy joke about the Log Cabin Republicans----

[randolph]

"Liberal free for all coming to an end" ?
More than that will be coming to an end if the Repubs have there way. A default could well be the end of the American dream. Playing Russian roulette with the economy is the height of irresponsibility. The Congress is responsible for the government expenses. They can cut expenses and raise or lower taxes, it's up to them. They don't have to listen to lobbyists or anybody else other than the voters. Obama can't raise the debt ceiling, it's up to Congress to do what is right for the country.
Expenses are out of control primarily because of Reaganomics. The absurd belief that you can increase revenue by cutting taxes. It didn't work during Reagon's presidency or during the Bush administration, yet Repubs in congress like to spend money as much as the Democrats. The difference is the Democrats realize you have to raise taxes if you want to spend more money.
Right now we need a strong leader who can rally the public to force this fucked up Congress to shape up and represent the people.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Perhaps the two prominent conservatives on the forum (Fran and Tracy), would be willing to explain how they reconcile their politically conservative views with the intolerance and hate of conservatives toward transsexuals.

As you might have noticed when I'm talking about the GOP candidates I don't completely agree with the GOP platform. The political spectrum is not one dimensional => fiscally liberal to fiscally conservative. Transgendered/gay rights are certainly a good thing, but if the country is bankrupt and the dollar collapses then I'm going to be overwhelmed with much bigger issues. No the country isn't bankrupt, and the dollar is fine at the moment, but we could literally turn on the tv tomorrow and find out different.

Everyone has their own ideas on how we got to this point, but for me it's not entirely the democrats that did it, but certainly the Obama administration has had a huge hand in where we are now. I know we've raised the debt limit several times in the past but the debt has skyrocketed so high over the past few years that I really don't feel that we can blindly raise the debt ceiling without at least a balanced budget agreement.

I also know republicans have been spending into the red as well, but nowhere near as far as the Obama administration.

At least for now, the republicans are finally serious about cutting the deficit. Both sides have acknowledged that the debt needs to be cut. They should also recognize the difficulty in doing that. They HAVE to agree on a balanced budget amendment.

[TracyCoxx]

The U. S. State Department yesterday announced that the Obama Administration has agreed to contribute $4 billion to the United Nations Global Fund to fight AIDs, Tuberculosis, and Malaria from 2011 to 2013.

The $4 billion represents a 38% increase over the previous U.S. commitment to the fund.

Does anyone think Obama feels any urgency in cutting spending?

[franalexes]

Your question of course is addressed to those that would have an afirmative answer.
I do not . The republicans have come up with several plans. The president and the dem's in the Senate have rejected them ,but have not presented a plan of their own. A few days ago the Senate even voted to shut off debate about the issue. How numb is that? They don't even want to discuss it let alone fix it!
Obama has said we need to cut AFTER we spend a little more.
"Let's put off serious solution 'til AFTER I get re-elected." ( implied response)

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

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At least for now, the republicans are finally serious about cutting the deficit. Both sides have acknowledged that the debt needs to be cut. They should also recognize the difficulty in doing that. They HAVE to agree on a balanced budget amendment.

Thanks for the laugh i need one
Are you talking about the same GOP that added a few trillion to the debt by insisting the Bush tax cuts for the top ten percent remain intact are you refering to the same GOP that insist cuts be made on the backs of the seniors while the rich opps sorry so called job creators keep there tax cuts and not have to scarifice

CAP CUT BALANCE is nothing but next years bumper sticker and typical GOP screw the poor deal and make damn sure the rich pay no taxes
When bozos like Palin and Bachman say it's the best way forward you know it's a typical GOP to the poor
The tea party wack a dos insist on cuts cuts and don't dare expect the rich to pay one penny of tax
GOD forbid the top ten percent have to chip in and be burdened with paying there fair share in fact they need to be taxed less according to the 12 bozos trying to head the 12 ticket
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Are you talking about the same GOP that added a few trillion to the debt by insisting the Bush tax cuts for the top ten percent remain intact

Obama announces tentative deal to extend Bush tax cuts
Well I think that addresses your first question.

Originally Posted by transjen

are you refering to the same GOP that insist cuts be made on the backs of the seniors

The GOP isn't insisting that. That's what happens if the republicans AND democrats can't compromise. Both sides would like a solution though.

[randolph]

The Myths of Reaganomics
Check out this site for an explanation and how it relates to the present situation.
http://mises.org/daily/1544

[TracyCoxx]

So last friday, Boner announced that he's done dealing with Obama because Obama 'moved the goal posts'. i.e. he previously agreed to something and then reneged. So he decided he'll just deal with the Senate.

And Harry Reid is actually negotiating with him. So the pres is cut out. Proposals from both the house and senate will not raise taxes. Interesting...

[parr]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

So last friday, Boner announced that he's done dealing with Obama because Obama 'moved the goal posts'. i.e. he previously agreed to something and then reneged. So he decided he'll just deal with the Senate.

And Harry Reid is actually negotiating with him. So the pres is cut out. Proposals from both the house and senate will not raise taxes. Interesting...

It would interesting to see what deal transpires between O'Bama, House
and Senate.

[randolph]

The whole damn bunch needs to be locked up in the Whitehouse with no food or water until they agree on a solution that gets the Federal governments house in order.
We have elected a bunch of F--king assholes!