Liberal free for all coming to an end

[ila]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Oh I'm not. History is written in blood. This I sadly know.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. Let me see if I can. I was speaking about the colonies themselves, not the Pilgrims, and the hypocrisy inherent in the founding of a free nation...with the institution of slavery. I did know that Africans would enslave one another frequently and they provided quite a few (most?) of the slaves for the colonies.

I understand now what you were saying.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

As for the last paragraph: yep, can't and won't deny it. People have funny horrifying tribal inclinations.

This is all so very true.

[Enoch Root]

I could have sworn I've seen a longer version with better audiovisual quality, sadly I can't find such a thing and my patience does not seem to hold out for such things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSJmYnHdvsc

He used to be so alive back then.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ila

I understand now what you were saying.



This is all so very true.

I should have written: I was not clear.

[transjen]

I fail to see what the GOP is bitching about
Every time they have made deals with this president they gave up nothing and walked away with just about everything they wanted
Like the extension of the Bush taxcuts
And yet agian today he is putting everything on the table and the GOP are taking and not giving
Cuts to medicare social security making the poor and elderly suffer and pay all the defecit while tax breaks for the top two percent and corpate welfare conitues untouched and may be increased
I wish i saved my nuts so i could give em to the president as he really needs a set
Jerseygirl Jen

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Originally Posted by transjen

I fail to see what the GOP is bitching about
Every time they have made deals with this president they gave up nothing and walked away with just about everything they wanted
Like the extension of the Bush taxcuts
And yet agian today he is putting everything on the table and the GOP are taking and not giving
Cuts to medicare social security making the poor and elderly suffer and pay all the defecit while tax breaks for the top two percent and corpate welfare conitues untouched and may be increased
I wish i saved my nuts so i could give em to the president as he really needs a set
Jerseygirl Jen

It should be noted that with respect to social security, it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to the U.S. federal deficit. Social Security is paid for by payroll taxes and employer contributions. There is sufficient money in the Social Security Trust Fund to pay benefits for the next 25 years. There are changes that could be made (most specifically, means testing so that the wealthy pay into it differently or take nothing out) that would make the Trust Fund secure for twice or three times as long. But making ANY change to Social Security right now will have absolutely NO IMPACT on the federal deficit. NONE WHATSOEVER.

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^ Just to clarify, Social Security IS part of the federal deficit in the following way. Part of the federal debt is actually owed to Social Security, because Congress has borrowed from the Trust Fund over the past 20 years whenever it has been in surplus ... and has done so rather prodigiously.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

I fail to see what the GOP is bitching about
Every time they have made deals with this president they gave up nothing and walked away with just about everything they wanted
Like the extension of the Bush taxcuts
And yet agian today he is putting everything on the table and the GOP are taking and not giving
Cuts to medicare social security making the poor and elderly suffer and pay all the defecit while tax breaks for the top two percent and corpate welfare conitues untouched and may be increased
I wish i saved my nuts so i could give em to the president as he really needs a set
Jerseygirl Jen

LMAO! When Jen is this upset about Obama that can only mean good news for the US.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

LMAO! When Jen is this upset about Obama that can only mean good news for the US.

I guess by good news you mean the top two percent won't have to suffer or even help in ending the deficet created by W with his trickle down policies of cutting taxes for the rich and the trillion spent in the war he started with his lies and we now have to rebulid Iraq wasting a trillion dollars

As much as you and the GOP whine about everyone bashing W , it was W that created the mess we are in his tax cuts for the rich and his unfonded wars created this deficet
So where are the jobs made by trickle down? it's been ten years so where are the jobs?
W and his GOP flunkies made this miss and they are still insisting on keeping his failed plans alive
This is W's mess and blaming Obama won't change the truth

[smc]

Originally Posted by transjen

... As much as you and the GOP whine about everyone bashing W , it was W that created the mess we are in his tax cuts for the rich and his unfonded wars created this deficet
So where are the jobs made by trickle down? it's been ten years so where are the jobs?
W and his GOP flunkies made this miss and they are still insisting on keeping his failed plans alive
This is W's mess and blaming Obama won't change the truth

Yes, Jen, absolutely. They "bought" a war on credit, and now -- when it comes time to pay -- they want to pretend that the problem is everything but what they did.

It's like taking out a car loan to buy a new automobile, not making the payments, and then going to the local bank that gave you the money and insisting that they lay off some of their tellers to make up for the shortfall in revenue caused by your default.

The teller reference is especially for you, Jen. And thanks for using the word "whine".

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

I guess by good news you mean the top two percent won't have to suffer or even help in ending the deficet created by W with his trickle down policies of cutting taxes for the rich and the trillion spent in the war he started with his lies and we now have to rebulid Iraq wasting a trillion dollars

If only you had some concept of Bush's deficit spending vs Obama's deficit spending. We've been down that road many times though.

Originally Posted by transjen

it was W that created the mess we are in his tax cuts for the rich and his unfonded wars created this deficet

.What unfondled wars? I thought congress funded them. You mean Bush got away with funding wars without congressional support past the 90 days he's allowed? THAT IS AN OUTRAGE - if only it were true.

Originally Posted by transjen

So where are the jobs made by trickle down? it's been ten years so where are the jobs?

What was the unemployment rate during Bush's terms? Where are the jobs that BO's stimulus packages were supposed to create? Like BO says, they weren't as shovel ready as he thought.