Liberal free for all coming to an end

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

Prove it.

Here is an example.

Another indicator of the real conservative agenda

Posted at 8:53 AM by Rob Schofield


One of the big lies of modern politics is the notion that conservatives are against ?big government? interfering in the lives of individuals. As we?ve been repeatedly reminded of late, the right actually loves big government ? especially when it comes to things like making people show their papers to law enforcement and election officials, limiting a woman?s right to decide what to do with her own body and health, telling consenting adults who they can love and share their lives with, freeing up the police to engage in unlawful searches and seizures and a host of other areas.
The right loves the ?pro-freedom? moniker, but in fact, a large proportion of their policy prescriptions are about expanding government and/or corporate authority vis a vis the individual.
Next week, we?ll see another example of the conservative love for using state power to expand the rights of corporations and limit the rights of individuals when a North Carolina House committee takes up legislation to permit general creditors to garnish the wages of average folks. For decades, North Carolina has restricted this remarkably intrusive process and limited it to very specific circumstances like back taxes, child support and a few others.
When it comes, however, to general creditors like credit card companies and retailers, North Carolina has stood four-square in opposition to the idea that creditors should be able to insert themselves into an individual?s private relationship with his or her employer and/or banking institution.
In effect, wage garnishment allows these creditors (even predatory, high interest lenders who knowingly lent money to people they should have known would struggle to pay it back) to leap to the front of the line and thereby make it even harder for average people to pay their most important bills (things like rent and food and keeping the lights on).
In short, it?s another classic example of corporate interests using state power to limit the freedom of individuals ? and another example of conservative hypocrisy.

[franalexes]

"I hope you realize that my post is intended to stimulate the discussion, "stir the pot" so to speak.
R"

Now is this a stir to the right or left? Or does it just boil?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"I hope you realize that my post is intended to stimulate the discussion, "stir the pot" so to speak.
R"

Now is this a stir to the right or left? Or does it just boil?

Well, I think SMC and all the moderators would agree that publishing PMs is not a good thing to do. Our own "Wikileaks" so to speak.

Am I boiling? YES
The behavior of our government, Republicans and Democrats alike are threatening our way of life by ignoring the real issues facing the country and the world.
birth control food supply energy supply climate change

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

,,,,,,,,,,, Republicans and Democrats alike are threatening our way of life,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, [/COLOR]

Gosh! you include both? Are we making progress here? I didn't ever think I see you print that. Now, how can we get those in power to understand that THEY are the problem?
I wonder how many politicians read this forum for it's POLITICAL content?
(No doubt some come here for ,,,,research. )
I think if I wanted to make a serious political statement I'd be on a political forum.

[TeslaDante]

Fran, keep out of politics. These guys don't "get your drift".
They certainly don't like getting burned by the fiesty bitch.
Do what you do best. Now if you want to tease them 'til they play with themselves, get into another thread/s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and maybe out of yours?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TeslaDante

Fran, keep out of politics. These guys don't "get your drift".
They certainly don't like getting burned by the fiesty bitch.
Do what you do best. Now if you want to tease them 'til they play with themselves, get into another thread/s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and maybe out of yours?

Hey, being flamed by Fran is what keeps things interesting around here.
What's the name of that song "Baby it hurts so good"?

[randolph]

Posted on a political forum.

Your political orientation says more about you than about the state of society. Your political orientation does not correlate with your intelligence - your ability to analyze and solve problems, it has to do with your values, and values are not rational. Evolution produced liberals and conservatives, which means each have a claim to the validity of their values. If not, evolution would have gotten rid of them. Every ideology has a dark side and a light side. Liberals and socialists are dead on when they attack robber barons and anybody else who amasses wealth by organized theft. But at some point, they become parasitic on people who earn their wealth honestly, because they cannot take the ideological blinders off. Conservatives are dead on when they perceive and respond to external threats and protect the property of people who earn their wealth honestly, but at some point they try to create a permanent hereditary wealthy class, because they cannot take the ideological blinders off. Does any one try, really try, to understand their political opponents? Rarely. Its so much more comforting to call them idiots, or sadists, or masochists, or the embodiment of evil. Its too scary to try to really understand your political opponents - it feels too much like agreeing with them. Anyone who does not wish to trancend the blinders of their own ideology is just another dog howling at the moon, like the original poster. Trancending your own ideology is not the same as discarding your ideology, or adopting that of your opponent. It just makes you sound like less of a fool.