Does not being sexually attracted to post-op transsexual women, make you a homosexual man?

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Do any of you lot actually know that there is a shorter term to describe
a Post-op transsexual 'shemale'

That term would be Female

I don't think it's fair to label female only those who had SRS.

To answer the main topic, "does not being sexually attracted to post-op transsexual women make you a homosexual man?" I think the answer is no. I am attracted to post-ops myself, but I don't think it makes sense to call several of my friends, who aren't into transsexuals and, therefore, aren't into post-ops, homosexuals.

Originally Posted by smc

I love the person, not the genitalia.

Originally Posted by aw9725

As I suspected, it was the individual that I was attracted to. Since then my understanding of many of the issues involved has increased as has my desire for a trans partner. However, my desire for ciswomen has not decreased. So my basic criteria are the same as before: a ?connection? of some kind when we meet, shared interests, intelligence, personality, beautiful eyes, great body, long legs, nice ass? Nowhere on that list is there any mention of sex organs.

Let me be completely honest here. I hear lots of people saying that it's all about the personality,and I respectfully disagree. Because I believe that anyone can have great personality, whether it's men, GGs, TGs, gay men, gay women, or anyone, but still here we are in a specific TG site. We can't deny there's an attraction specific to TGs that we all have, even if we can't describe it precisely. Unless you say that TG's have different personality, which I don't believe.

[smc]

Originally Posted by CannibalMan

Let me be completely honest here. I hear lots of people saying that it's all about the personality,and I respectfully disagree. Because I believe that anyone can have great personality, whether it's men, GGs, TGs, gay men, gay women, or anyone, but still here we are in a specific TG site. We can't deny there's an attraction specific to TGs that we all have, even if we can't describe it precisely. Unless you say that TG's have different personality, which I don't believe.

The section of your post above, which I have quoted, refers back to one of my earlier posts. With all due respect, you have every right to state your personal view that it's NOT about the personality, but it is not for you to state that for me. And had you read my post carefully, you would have noted that I drew a distinction between "love" and "sexual attractions." Your response confounds the two with respect to my post.

I fully understand you. I'm not saying you're not being sincere in your post, I believe you are. I just want to point out that there's a specific attraction to TGs among all of us, after all the thread title is about sexual attraction.

Originally Posted by CannibalMan

Let me be completely honest here. I hear lots of people saying that it's all about the personality,and I respectfully disagree. Because I believe that anyone can have great personality, whether it's men, GGs, TGs, gay men, gay women, or anyone, but still here we are in a specific TG site. We can't deny there's an attraction specific to TGs that we all have, even if we can't describe it precisely. Unless you say that TG's have different personality, which I don't believe.

Who are you to disagree with what anyone says? Only I know what I am attracted to in a partner. And why I am a member of this site. I don't presume to speak for you.

You are free to do the same with regard to a potential partner or why you are here on this site--and speak for yourself. It almost sounds like you are saying that transsexuals are "men" and those of us who find them attractive must be "gay." I would advise you not to go that route...

I see you have just two posts--why don't you tell us more about you?

Hey, I'm not saying I have knowledge of everything. I might be wrong whenever I speak. But still I can post my view. I'm not trying to speak for anyone. But if all we are allowed to do on the forum is agree with each other, there's no point in having a forum at all.

As for my posts, I have more than 2. I don't now why they aren't showing, but I'm sure I have more than 2. It might be because they are a bit old (february/2009), but I have written a lot about me in my first posts.

But let's not go off topic.

[ila]

Originally Posted by CannibalMan

Hey, I'm not saying I have knowledge of everything. I might be wrong whenever I speak. But still I can post my view. I'm not trying to speak for anyone. But if all we are allowed to do on the forum is agree with each other, there's no point in having a forum at all...

The point that smc and aw9725 are making is that you have an opinion and others have an opinion. You are allowed to state your opinion, but you should not be stating that your opinion is the same opinion as others have.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by CannibalMan

I don't think it's fair to label female only those who had SRS.

Yes of course.
Anyone who does any of the / most of the / all of the:
hormone/psych-doc/breast aug/face surgery/voice-training/living in their adopted gender for the rest of their lives
is female.

My point is that after SRS, it is totally wrong to refer to that person as anything other than female.

Originally Posted by CannibalMan

To answer the main topic, "does not being sexually attracted to post-op transsexual women make you a homosexual man?" I think the answer is no. I am attracted to post-ops myself, but I don't think it makes sense to call several of my friends, who aren't into transsexuals and, therefore, aren't into post-ops, homosexuals.

Um....
my point is that if a man is only into a specific trans-woman when they have a penis
but are not into that same specific trans-woman, after that trans-woman has had their penis altered into a vagina SRS,
as nothing else about the specific trans-woman has changed.
then to me this says that man is only into penis's,
and thus there may be a denial of stuff going on.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Yes of course.
Anyone who does any of the / most of the / all of the:
hormone/psych-doc/breast aug/face surgery/voice-training/living in their adopted gender for the rest of their lives
is female.

My point is that after SRS, it is totally wrong to refer to that person as anything other than female.


Um....
my point is that if a man is only into a specific trans-woman when they have a penis
but are not into that same specific trans-woman, after that trans-woman has had their penis altered into a vagina SRS,
as nothing else about the specific trans-woman has changed.
then to me this says that man is only into penis's,
and thus there may be a denial of stuff going on.

I love ggirls and I love tgirls and I am crazy about shecock. I love thinking about it and coming up with all kinds of sexual fantasies involving loving, licking, stroking and sucking big beautiful shecocks. If I had a serious tgirl lover and she had srs, I would not leave her or stop loving her but I would need to find another shecock. Am I gay, no I want shecock not guycock.
I agree with Ila, I am shecock obsessed.: inlove:

[cannibal]

For some time now I have this suspicion (again I might be completely wrong) that we are born actually without any attraction to any genitalia. At least when I was a child I remember not feeling anything for any type of genital, despite I already liked girls very much. If you think about it, both male and female genitals are kinda ugly. It might be an acquired taste. Today I am undoubtedly attracted to genitals.

Plus I've heard more than one guy that were strictly into GGs confess that they don't find the vagina beautiful. They love to have sex with it, but wouldn't stare at it. And I've heard even more GGs state that they find penises ugly and disgusting, despite they enjoy having sex with men.

I'm not trying to speak for anyone here, just trying to find a possible explanation for the whole issue of attraction to transsexuals, even if partial.

[smc]

Originally Posted by cannibal

For some time now I have this suspicion (again I might be completely wrong) that we are born actually without any attraction to any genitalia. At least when I was a child I remember not feeling anything for any type of genital, despite I already liked girls very much. If you think about it, both male and female genitals are kinda ugly. It might be an acquired taste. Today I am undoubtedly attracted to genitals.

Plus I've heard more than one guy that were strictly into GGs confess that they don't find the vagina beautiful. They love to have sex with it, but wouldn't stare at it. And I've heard even more GGs state that they find penises ugly and disgusting, despite they enjoy having sex with men.

I'm not trying to speak for anyone here, just trying to find a possible explanation for the whole issue of attraction to transsexuals, even if partial.

It would be an interesting theory if it weren't completely devoid of any consideration of science and what researchers have learned about how sexual attraction grows (including some of its roots in the human desire to procreate). Of course, an infant may be wired for a certain attraction, but the idea that because a child doesn't show an attraction until a certain age means we are not born with one is rather facile.

[cannibal]

Maybe yes, maybe no. A lot of stuff is learnt instead of born with us. Researchers seem to be far from elucidating the development of sexual attraction.

Smc has made a very good point. One that I have been thinking about a lot today (OMG! that means a long post ). Most people on here tend to “overgeneralize” (is that like, even a word?) and assume that their situation, feelings, or beliefs apply to everyone else. There is almost never any hard evidence presented and what should be *questions* are often stated as fact. Also since I do not know most people on here personally, I cannot tell whether you are well educated, rich, tall, short, have a background in Psychology, are serving time in prison, really 12 years old, or someone’s grandmother. Same thing applies to me: I might be a high-school dropout, 5’4” 120 lbs, bench press about 75, never played football, ride a scooter--not a Harley, don’t really teach at a college--but the mental institution I was committed to lets me have a computer, and oh yeah, I might be an 80 year old woman too. Unfortunately this lack of “knowing your audience” contributes to why we have problems communicating on the Internet. In my professional life (you can figure out who I am if you try) I have written elsewhere about some of the problems with Internet communications. Additionally it is hard to discuss complex issues in what amounts to a form of “texting.” I much prefer “face to face” conversation.

I can only presume to speak for myself. If I say I think Kelly Shore is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen and find her equally attractive with or without a cock it’s because it’s true--for ME. You need not agree with me but you do not have the right to question it or ascribe things to me that I did not say. If you find Kelly equally attractive then it would be nice to share that in a discussion. If you do not, then you have no business criticizing MY choice. You should either keep silent or share who YOU find attractive. We have a lot of different tastes and it can be fun to share what we like. Additionally, you have no right to impose your beliefs on others. If Kelly one day decides to have SRS, for example, then you have no right to complain that “I liked her better with a cock” or other childish nonsense. That is her choice alone as a woman. Please also spare us the tired and mistaken excuse that you were “only stating my opinion.” What are you? Two fucking years old? My dad would have whipped my ass if I had ever used that excuse after saying something inappropriate. There was one member a while back who kept insulting a certain performer and her fans using the lame excuse that he was discussing the “quality of her product.” Jesus Fucking Christ! Was this guy watching a hot babe having sex or was he buying a goddamn washing machine at Wal-Mart?

So as far as the question of what attracts us to transwomen... I believe it is an important question and one who’s answer is crucial to self-understanding. I joined this forum in hopes of answering that question and have shared some personal anecdotes about myself and my own journey to self-understanding. Many other members have also shared very intimate details of their lives and we must be extremely respectful of each other. After all aren’t we all here for basically the same reason? As for the answer to the question: I think it differs for each of us and is equally valid as applies to who we are. I enjoy reading about other’s experiences and reasons. I have been helped by many of the thoughtful posts on here. Hopefully some of my posts have helped others. I see I am approaching 900 posts. As many of you know I am getting married March 5. I will probably stay around--maybe not. My fianc?e knows of my participation here but frankly I am growing tired of the disrespect shown toward other members. I would like to think we could talk like adults about such sensitive things--some of this is pretty intimate stuff. Imagine if you were in a group discussion talking about what you are attracted to--like in a therapist’s office or classroom or something. Would you be so insulting and disrespectful? I didn’t think so.