Bailey Jay is a bust.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Sigma

Your comment is very weird to me because in the straight porn community people are more open to criticize someone's performances. I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

I appreciate girls who are attractive and give good performances. Being a transsexual does not give a tgirl the right to be appreciated by doing porn. She needs to earn her appreciation by producing a good product. I don't expect people to appreciate me without earning it.

Another weird thing is you said "love". I don't understand why it is so common to see tgirl porn watchers say they love someone who they never met. It's seems creepy and stalker like.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by smc

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

I am clearly winning the debate because NO one has spoken about the topic. Instead members are upset that I criticized one of their favorites.

[rockabilly]

To be fair Bailey is just getting started , she does her guy scenes POV to give her guy fans the illusion of being the guy fucking her ... and while it limits what positions are used it does have perks. And nothing ruins a good jerk more than when the cam is on the girl then jumps to the dudes face! Nooooooo focus the cam on her dammit !

She will improve w/ time and bigger budgets.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

To be fair Bailey is just getting started , she does her guy scenes POV to give her guy fans the illusion of being the guy fucking her ... and while it limits what positions are used it does have perks. And nothing ruins a good jerk more than when the cam is on the girl then jumps to the dudes face! Nooooooo focus the cam on her dammit !

She will improve w/ time and bigger budgets.

The problem with this is the fact that the other SMC girls had good video quality in their early videos. It seems odd that Bailey could not get someone to film good quality.

Does every guy scene have to be in POV? Isn't the point of porn is to fantasize regardless of the video style? I don't like POV scenes. Although I would not mind if not all of her guy scenes were POV. The other SMC girls do have POV, they also have regular view porn as well for their members.

[Tread]

Sigma, you are allowed to purchase a product or a service. You can only choose if you want it or not. You own nobody and can?t dictate anybody because you are a paying member. You can voice your wishes, but don?t bash on something because you prefer it different.

I think your whole complaining threads sound a bit like this:
There is a major problem in my town, there are way too less restaurants where you can get quality food.
The steak house is a totally bust, because you have to wait a long time until I get my food and no drive in counter.
The Frenchman is totally overrated, because they have so much courses, knifes, forks and spoons. And you get nothing in a bun.
The Indian (the one from Asia) is a totally hole, everything is so spicy, and you don?t get beef.
The Japanese is a wash-out, they sell cold rice products and even raw fish. There is absolutely nothing with cheese.
The Italian is a flop. They make too much pasta, and the pizza is too big. They have to sell something in a handy bag.
The big problem stays: There are not enough restaurants, and most are foreigners.
Only the fast food burgers are good. But there are only five fast food chains here and one of them sells only friggin chicken.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Tread

Sigma,
I think your whole complaining threads sound a bit like this:
There is a major problem in my town, there are way too less restaurants where you can get quality food.
The steak house is a totally bust, because you have to wait a long time until I get my food and no drive in counter.
The Frenchman is totally overrated, because they have so much courses, knifes, forks and spoons. And you get nothing in a bun.
The Indian (the one from Asia) is a totally hole, everything is so spicy, and you don?t get beef.
The Japanese is a wash-out, they sell cold rice products and even raw fish. There is absolutely nothing with cheese.
The Italian is a flop. They make too much pasta, and the pizza is too big. They have to sell something in a handy bag.
The big problem stays: There are not enough restaurants, and most are foreigners.
Only the fast food burgers are good. But there are only five fast food chains here and one of them sells only friggin chicken.

Brilliant!
I nominate this for post of the week.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Sigma

I am clearly winning the debate because NO one has spoken about the topic. Instead members are upset that I criticized one of their favorites.

Not a single one of my comments has anything to do with whether Bailey Jay is one of my favorites or whether I have any interest in her whatsoever. It is about what you write and how you present your "opinions." The actual content is secondary.

As aw9725 put it ...

[tsfever]

Originally Posted by smc

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

Kinda interesting, SMC. I may or may not agree with Sigma, however, you are making a personal attack by stating that Sigma is "running away" from his statement, or won't "take responsibility" for his words, and "hide behind 'opinion'".

In the past I noticed that you , as a Moderator, "kicked" people for a political statement that simply asked the poster to re-think his statement through the eyes of the people that it affects. I hope this will not be your choice again

I actually disagree with Sigma, however, there is no need to attack him.

[smc]

Originally Posted by tsfever

Kinda interesting, SMC. I may or may not agree with Sigma, however, you are making a personal attack by stating that Sigma is "running away" from his statement, or won't "take responsibility" for his words, and "hide behind 'opinion'".

In the past I noticed that you , as a Moderator, "kicked" people for a political statement that simply asked the poster to re-think his statement through the eyes of the people that it affects. I hope this will not be your choice again

I actually disagree with Sigma, however, there is no need to attack him.

I have not attacked him personally. I attacked his METHOD. A personal attack would be to call someone stupid, or a coward, or an idiot, or smelly, or a person with bad taste. I have done none of that.

Take a moment. Reread every one of his posts in this thread and his responses to those who challenged those posts. Take your time. Think about it carefully.

Now, come back and show us how he did NOT do what I wrote characterizing his approach to the debate.

[Sigma]

I did attack me by lying that I have changed the subject of the debate, but it was YOU WHO CHANGED the subject.

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

You also have privately threaten to ban me when I have NOT broken any rules.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Sigma

I did attack me by lying that I have changed the subject of the debate, but it was YOU WHO CHANGED the subject.


You also have privately threaten to ban me when I have NOT broken any rules.

The subject is your way of attacking porn providers, in multiple posts including beyond this thread, and how you "defend" your approach when challenged. That is the subject of the debate that has unfolded.

My PM (the P stands for private, and that's how you should have responded) was not a threat that I would ban you. It was a warning that your responses lead you on the path to violating one of our rules. I should have made clear that were it to come to a ban, it would be someone else doing the banning, and in that respect I was not clear.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by smc

The subject is your way of attacking porn providers, in multiple posts including beyond this thread, and how you "defend" your approach when challenged. That is the subject of the debate that has unfolded.

My PM (the P stands for private, and that's how you should have responded) was not a threat that I would ban you. It was a warning that your responses lead you on the path to violating one of our rules. I should have made clear that were it to come to a ban, it would be someone else doing the banning, and in that respect I was not clear.

Yes, you changed the subject from the original topic. Instead of debating about Bailey's product; you and many members have decided to get angry and attack me instead of actually debating about Bailey's product. If you have a problem with how I criticize people then tell me in a PM and STAY on topic with the ORIGINAL topic of this thread.

I have NOT violated any rules. I actually read the rules before I made this topic and posts.

I have only attacked providers who refused to shoot American Tgirls and I attacked Bailey's product.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Sigma

I have only attacked providers who refused to shoot American Tgirls and I attacked Bailey's product.

?Attack? indeed -- not posted something that allows for an objective measure of quality. That has been my point from the beginning. But since you ?asked,? I will take your initial post line by line and provide a response. See below.

Originally Posted by Sigma

There was a lot of hype of Bailey Jay's new site. It has received a lot of praise. However, I disagree about the praise she has gotten. She has made a very poor porn product.

You provide no basis upon which to determine that it is a ?very poor porn product? other than your own subjective desires about what you want to see. It is like saying that a 2010 BMW is a very poor automobile because it doesn?t have fins like a late 1950s Chevrolet, and you want it to have fins.

Originally Posted by Sigma

Bailey Jay's early video content was extremely bad. That's just an understatement. The video quality was unwatchable. The SMC Network normally has good quality, but Bailey was not close to those standards. This is 2010 your early videos should not look like a 1990s amateur video. Paying members made compliments in comments.

I assume that ?compliments? is a mistake. Why, if it was so bad, would anyone compliment the work? You must mean ?complaints.?

Define ?unwatchable.? Are you referring to the technical quality of the video? Or is it the camera angles and content? If the former, there can be some objective measure of quality. As for the latter two, it is again a question of personal preference. Bailey?s success suggests that your personal desires are in the minority, or that people want to see her irrespective of what she is doing on film and how. In either case, hers is a product that clearly sells.

Originally Posted by Sigma

How did Bailey respond? Instead of improving quality she disabled member comments. She also removed her own forum as well because of the compliments. That's professional. However, apparently Bailey finally got a new cameraman to do her videos, and thankfully the quality has improved.

See above re: technical quality and subjective measures.

Originally Posted by Sigma

Bailey Jay does have hardcore scenes with guys. However she only shoots scenes with guys in POV. However, her content with Tgirls is not in POV. POV has limited angles. I doubt most members only want to see her have sex with guys in POV.

Again, you express your personal desire as if it is an objective measure. YOU want to see her have sex with guys in ways other than POV. You presume others agree, but this is pure conjecture on your part. Again, her success suggests strongly that whether you are right is immaterial. People are voting with their memberships.

Originally Posted by Sigma

Finally her solo scenes are very boring. She does not talk dirty in her videos. In some videos she does not say one word.

YOU want her to talk dirty. Another viewer might prefer her to say nothing. What she says is not an objective measure of quality -- again, it is about your personal preference.

Originally Posted by Sigma

In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked.

I think I?ve made my point. Some may agree; others may disagree.