Ungendering and a Lack of Respect

[wxhluyp]

In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.

[ila]

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.

Your statement is specious.

[wxhluyp]

Originally Posted by ila

Your statement is specious.

It is? How so?

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.

Here is a fairly straightforward definition of “Ungendering” from Trans 101:

Ungendering: “An attempt to invalidate a trans person’s gender by using cissexual privilege to identify incongruities and discrepancies in their gendered appearance that would normally be overlooked or dismissed if they were presumed to be cissexual.”

Also you might want to read ila’s original post in this thread. As defined here, the act of “ungendering” is considered quite offensive to trans men and women.

[wxhluyp]

Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.

[smc]

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.

You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.

[wxhluyp]

Originally Posted by smc

You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.

I advocate inclusivity and growth. I am against subjected or self-imposed limitation.

I didn't expect such hostility...

[smc]

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

I advocate inclusivity and growth. I am against subjected or self-imposed limitation.

I didn't expect such hostility...

Again, that's fine. But even if you find it an example of "self-limitation" that someone on this site chooses to identify himself or herself a certain way, you don't get to undo that. Period.

And this isn't "hostility." It's clarity.

[wxhluyp]

Originally Posted by smc

Again, that's fine. But even if you find it an example of "self-limitation" that someone on this site chooses to identify himself or herself a certain way, you don't get to undo that. Period.

And this isn't "hostility." It's clarity.

Ofcourse. There are times when theorizing is more appropriate than others. Theres a false common-sense idealization of identity which must be overturned in society. Gender is positively multiple.

The accusation of sophism and lack of clarity in my mere "opinion" was pretty hostile. I don't know whether it was intentional, but it did seem so.

[Julie77]

This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth.

[michelletgirlcd]

I think it's all about the human mind

[darkstargemini]

> i saw Vanity on youtube talk about issues most people r still very close minded when it comes to gender accepting one seems very hard for most of society it,s like not in my backyard but some have a lot of skeletons in there closet

[johnny_love]

In my opinion, "real women" or "fake women women" are just terms that are not only offensive, but stupid as "women" is the only word that should be used by everyone. Doesn't matter the genitals, it matters the fact that you are women and shouldn't care about what others say, either if the say it out of not knowing or out of hatred...so be happy and peace!

[joedirty313]

I prefer to refer to transsexuals as real woman, and the other as gg. Follow the link...


http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpo...&postcount=223

[Marcelus]

In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!

[smc]

Originally Posted by Marcelus

In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!

This is as insulting to ciswomen as the ungendering of transwomen that this thread is aimed at. You have been warned that this type of post is unacceptable. It is being left here as a reminder to all.

[passivedude]

I think t-girlsare far, far more beautiful than genetic girls. You name me one single genetic gril who is as beautiful as Bailey Jay or Danni Daniels.

[darklord666]

Whether a by God's hands or the surgeons...women of the world are deserving of respect. I alway respect a persons right to 'self identify'.

[CCC]

Reading this thread makes me think that most posters and mods are politicians in thier other life. Could someone--anyone that really knows--come up with a definition for each of the approved and dissapproved terms that TS-trans whatever call themselves. I find that noone seems to agree on most of these definitions so how in hell is someone supposed to wade through this mire ?

I mean people can't even agree that "pre-op" is always a person that still has a dick. After all they are not "pre-op" unless they intend to cut it off. Well then what do you call it?

[stephanie4life]

I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??! Stephanie

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by stephanie4life

I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??!

We'll be the judge of that.
Citation required in the form of a face pic, please.
'Nudy pics' also welcome....

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by stephanie4life

I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??! Stephanie

You still have friends! This is not hate or disrespect.
Disrespect is when you are asked by the manager to shop in another store. Disrespect is when you learn you were charged extra for a car repair because you are you. Disrespect is when you learn every pie at the bake sale was sold,,,,except yours. Disrespect is when you are first to be seated in the company cafeterior and you eat alone.

[loziver]

I think the trans genders have anatomic problem ,my be from hormones problem.
I remember that when I was child i Felt like girl .when I become man ,I like to get fuck by trans women.I think i have problem .I had never get fucked before.
Thank you

[tslust]

Ya, I've been away for a little while, so I missed this.

Originally Posted by loziver

I think the trans genders have anatomic problem ,my be from hormones problem.
I remember that when I was child i Felt like girl .when I become man ,I like to get fuck by trans women.I think i have problem .I had never get fucked before.
Thank you

Ummm, I think your problem has more to do with grammer.

[the_bo]

I read through this whole thread and found the video of Calpernia Addams, that Jodie posted to be both funny and informative!
To be honest I have never heard of Calpernia Addams before but I have to say she has a very sexy face!