Immigration law

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I often hear that legal Mexican immigrants are p.o.'d that there are so many illegals here since they worked so hard doing it the right way to get here legally. The illegals can't vote so there's no reason to try and get their vote unless you're planning on amnesty to suddenly turn them all into citizens.

You forget that groups like ACORN have been wheeling illegals, bums etc. over to their local branches and fudging their names and numbers so that they can get them to vote for whoever best serves thier interests.

Exactly! Which is how the vast majority of the American public feels. So you're a politician. You see one group consisting of maybe 10s of millions (the pro-illegal alien crowd), and you another group consisting of 100s of millions (the anti-illegal alien crowd). Politicians consistently try and woo the 10s of millions crowd. I still don't get it.

Politician. Rope. Lamppost. Some assembly required.

There isn't a viable solution right now. Especially when everyone up to the president is giving illegal aliens every free pass they can. Faced with this Arizona has no other choice. And it also serves to tell the US government that they aren't doing their job. Because if they don't like what Arizona is doing then they should take the burden off Arizona. And what part of the Arizona law is turning police into Gestapo Goons?

It may not be a viable solution but it is a damn good deterrent and I for one support Jan Brewer for looking out for the residents of her state. This is the opposite of what you posted above. Now the focus is on the majority of the people who are seriously concerned about their well being and security rather than the usual tactic of catering and kissing ass to a minority of people.

[franalexes]

I hear that 70% of Arizona supports their law.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I hear that 70% of Arizona supports their law.

The city council of my local community (Hemet) has voted to support Arizona.
In California is illegal to employ illegals yet the law is not enforced. Why? Agriculture is a major part of California's economy. Most of the field workers are illegals, many with fake documents. Many farming operations simply could not stay in business without the hardworking illegals. I know from personal experience that people who have grown up in our affluent society are incapable of doing farm work. Putting in nine hours a day six days a week is beyond them.
We need a work permit system that is viable and encourages workers to come here temporarily and leave their families back home. This would take the pressure off the schools, the hospitals and the infrastructure. Will it happen? I doubt it, this country is too fucked up with politics.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

this country is too fucked up with politics.

Amen for that.

[smc]

I am for a world without borders.

Go ahead, flame the crap out of me.

(I'm proud that this is my 3,000th post!)

[randolph]

Originally Posted by smc

I am for a world without borders.

Go ahead, flame the crap out of me.

(I'm proud that this is my 3,000th post!)

Congratulations. I wont flame you just post an exotic little tid bit.
Trannys without borders, sounds good to me.

[franalexes]

[QUOTE=smc;148377]I am for a world without borders.

Go ahead, flame the crap out of me.

(I'm proud that this is my 3,000th post!)[/QUO

I suppose no one in Boston has a home with door locks?

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I suppose no one in Boston has a home with door locks?

I never said anything about individual homes. My point is a serious one. If someone wants to disagree with the point, that's fine, but mocking my point should not be okay.

Of course, I realize that my position is far from the mainstream, even for those who disagree with the Arizona law. I will explain why I believe a world without borders is the best alternative.

Borders exist primarily for economic purposes. They have always been made by the rich and powerful, who traditionally have created borders to establish areas of control for markets and taxation as a means of avoiding competition or at least giving themselves an arena over which they have some means of control other than the "anarchy" of simple supply and demand. Corporations move across borders at will, whether physically or virtually.The borders, though, are primarily used to control buying and selling by us, regular people, and to manipulate the pool of workers.

The U.S. economy depends on a large pool of immigrant workers, especially to fill the lowest-paid jobs. One way to keep the wages low for immigrant workers is to marginalize them to the greatest degree possible. If you create borders and harsh conditions for crossing those borders -- terror, difficulty, susceptibility to arrest and deportation -- these workers are highly unlikely to stand up for themselves against the very exploitation that the rest of us would never accept. Then the politicians try to scapegoat them: they are the ones taking our jobs and costing us so much that we can't afford good social services, when in fact our jobs are being taken to low-paying countries by corporations, without government interference (because for them, the borders essentially don't exist) and the money for social services are being spent, well, in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's notable that an immigrant crossing into the United States "illegally" in the hope of making a better life -- and that is the very reason most people do so -- will be detained by the authorities if caught and, before deportation, be offered a path to citizenship by joining the Armed Forces and going to Iraq or Afghanistan. Do you need any more indication of whose interests borders serve than that, which happens each and every day?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I suppose no one in Boston has a home with door locks?

Actually, according to figures, areas with large numbers of illegal immigrants have lower crime rates. Go figure.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

In California is illegal to employ illegals yet the law is not enforced. Why? Agriculture is a major part of California's economy. Most of the field workers are illegals, many with fake documents. Many farming operations simply could not stay in business without the hardworking illegals. I know from personal experience that people who have grown up in our affluent society are incapable of doing farm work. Putting in nine hours a day six days a week is beyond them.

No doubt. But I think it's high time Americans start working to produce their run society rather than relying on a group of people who will eventually guilt us into transforming our society and culture into something else.

Send the illegals back home. It will be tough for a while and the economy will take a hit. Preston and Penelope will have to get their hands dirty, but in the long run it will be worth it and we won't have to be ashamed of our history.