Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Tal. What I have a problem with is when people are not responsible for their actions and use the system as a way for other people to pull their weight.

If you want to help someone out, that is all good. But using the gov. as a way to force people to be "charitable" is cowardly. You have no "social responsibility" towards the welfare of unproductive people. They have to realize that they need to be more proactive in their lives. Feeling guilty because someone is facing the consequences of their actions is the routine of con artists and parasites. If they are in legitimate need of help, by all means help them. If not, then they must learn the errors of their ways.

Remember the saying: "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish, you will feed him for a lifetime."

ANGRY:

Save the Conse 'Pub one-size-fit-all sayings.

Each circumstance is individual, and I've found that Conse 'Pubs label a wide range of situations as a con.

When Conse 'Pubs are done with their exclusions, are not enough people left to have a program in a town, let alone a country, no?

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

Save the Conse 'Pub one-size-fit-all sayings.

Each circumstance is individual, and I've found that Conse 'Pubs label a wide range of situations as a con.

When Conse 'Pubs are done with their exclusions, are not enough people left to have a program in a town, let alone a country, no?

TAL

That is the idea. If you tolerate that type of leeching, people will just continue to abuse the system. If you stop giving them handouts, they tend to be more productive, and less dependent on others.

Programs like Welfare, Medicare and other things are a way for people to justify their irresponsibility and only serves to burden everyone else with a huge cost.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

That is the idea. If you tolerate that type of leeching, people will just continue to abuse the system. If you stop giving them handouts, they tend to be more productive, and less dependent on others.

Programs like Welfare, Medicare and other things are a way for people to justify their irresponsibility and only serves to burden everyone else with a huge cost.

ANGRY:

It's also my point about exclusions being more important than people, because you can eliminate all but a handful of PERFECT people. Jesus drank wine to excess, he'd be excluded by most Conse 'Pubs.

You're right the idea is to exclude most people, and the balance would not get covered: no program, no coverage!! ZERO covered!! Tough luck, too bad!!

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

It's also my point about exclusions being more important than people, because you can eliminate all but a handful of PERFECT people. Jesus drank wine to excess, he'd be excluded by most Conse 'Pubs.

You're right the idea is to exclude most people, and the balance would not get covered: no program, no coverage!! ZERO covered!! Tough luck, too bad!!

TAL

Most of the people on welfare are leeches. The money that you shelled out for Social Security and Medicare has already been spent once it was taken out of your check. All these government programs are are just clever wealth redistribution. Government spending is what gets us into this kind of crap and they just continue to tax us to cover the costs of their out of control spending.

Is that really beneficial for anyone?

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Most of the people on welfare are leeches. The money that you shelled out for Social Security and Medicare has already been spent once it was taken out of your check. All these government programs are are just clever wealth redistribution. Government spending is what gets us into this kind of crap and they just continue to tax us to cover the costs of their out of control spending.

Is that really beneficial for anyone?

ANGRY:

The % is irrelevant, because no human system has EVER worked. The Swedes had the best one, which cost a lot to pay into, but had super benefits. All the people had to do was do the right thing, but some wanted to game the system, which destroyed it. It was the healthy and educated that broke it, and not the deadbeats. Wall Streeters took way more than the deadbeats to bring the global economy to its knees.

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

The % is irrelevant, because no human system has EVER worked. The Swedes had the best one, which cost a lot to pay into, but had super benefits. All the people had to do was do the right thing, but some wanted to game the system, which destroyed it. It was the healthy and educated that broke it, and not the deadbeats. Wall Streeters took way more than the deadbeats to bring the global economy to its knees.

TAL

No human system will ever work. But why cause undue burden with an apathetic and nihilistic attitude? We are the boss of the elected officials, not the other way around. They are only limited 17 things that they can do. The Constitution is a limitation on the things that our Gov can do, not the other way around.

People need to be aware of that and need to stop being so content and complacent. There is a checks and balances system in place but most are too lazy to use it. That kind of shit needs to stop or we will just keep getting pushed into submission. If you don't draw the line at something, then where will it stop?

I am not saying that banks and corporations are innocent in this. I am saying giving the Gov. unnecessary control over major things in our lives is bad and that we should not be even thinking of that course of action. People need to be more self-sufficient and independent instead of relying on others to do things for them.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

No human system will ever work. But why cause undue burden with an apathetic and nihilistic attitude? We are the boss of the elected officials, not the other way around. They are only limited 17 things that they can do. The Constitution is a limitation on the things that our Gov can do, not the other way around.

People need to be aware of that and need to stop being so content and complacent. There is a checks and balances system in place but most are too lazy to use it. That kind of shit needs to stop or we will just keep getting pushed into submission. If you don't draw the line at something, then where will it stop?

I am not saying that banks and corporations are innocent in this. I am saying giving the Gov. unnecessary control over major things in our lives is bad and that we should not be even thinking of that course of action. People need to be more self-sufficient and independent instead of relying on others to do things for them.

ANGRY:

I was referring to your system, while half the population has no clue what's going on. Human beings are nowhere near a good system.

We went from barbarian to civil, the next step is to humane, and your system is for the now--not the tomorrow when a system will have some teeth.

TAL